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fromthestands

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I agree that there needs to be a post season that girls who are not in a P5 school can aspire to. Not every school has the money (facilities, coaches, support) to compete with the budgets of those schools who make it to Oklahoma each year.
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Utah Valley doesn't even have a winning record.  Weber State was 0-2 in their conference tournament.  What is the point other than coaches claiming they went to an end of the year tournament?

It sounds like a travel ball tournament.


This tournament is for girls that play for the love of the game.  I think THAT is the point.  They all could have packed it in and headed for the beach but, instead, they're on the ball field.
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This tournament is for girls that play for the love of the game.  I think THAT is the point.  They all could have packed it in and headed for the beach but, instead, they're on the ball field.


In the case I know, the coaches wanted to go. Not the girls.
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Having a daughter that played in the tournament this year I will say, it stinks!! This is nothing like the NIT. Being the only team from a Power 5 conference in the tournament was even a worse idea. Win or place top 2 and it's no notch in the programs belt. Lose out in the opening weekend, like Tech and it is black eye on the program(that is not a slap to other teams in the tourney, but you run ruled UTA earlier in the year and beat Baylor a week earlier. You should be able to get more than 1 win). Even parents from other teams were saying the kids are just ready for the season to end. It is not the NCAA in recognition and I don't think it does anything for recruiting. Just profiting off the success and popularity of college softball.
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This tournament is for girls that play for the love of the game.  I think THAT is the point.  They all could have packed it in and headed for the beach but, instead, they're on the ball field.


Not even the case at all. There was no beach option. This is coaches trying to get a certain amount of wins to save a job. Get another week or 2 of practice for underclassmen. But certainly not an extension of the season for girls that love the game.

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You very well could be right that it is a more coach driven choice than a player driven choice.

However, if you love to play the game, any additional chances you get to play the game you love would be a blessing I would think.
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I can't believe how spoiled everyone is sounding.  Yes, it is run by TCS but they also run the WNIT in women's basketball and have an upcoming volleyball version.  This is year two of this tournament and it is sure to fail if nobody really gives it a chance.

Now back to my original point.  Maybe it is the programs that are actually accepting the bid but to "be ready to end the season" instead of getting the chance to play more softball is a you problem.  There are a lot of players that would kill to have the chance to continue playing.  Perhaps if these players that are ready for it to end actually liked the game then they may have had a better season.  

The reason this tournament ABSOLUTELY SHOULD exist is to let good teams (not great teams) continue playing because they earned it.  The one thing that would make this tournament take off is sponsorships.  Without them it will simply be a pay for play but with them it could change the entire landscape.  


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Not even the case at all. There was no beach option. This is coaches trying to get a certain amount of wins to save a job. Get another week or 2 of practice for underclassmen. But certainly not an extension of the season for girls that love the game.


You may be speaking for some players who would prefer to be on vacation.  But I watched the LMU games and the enthusiasm by the LMU players on the field said that they're enjoying playing.  I feel sorry for the players you describe that would rather be elsewhere instead of playing the game. 

BTW, final four this week is hosted by LMU in Los Angeles.  At least the NISC understands that championships should be played in Southern California where there won't be rain delays, muggy humidity and swarms of flying insects.
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I'm surprised EKU is able to attend.  Major budget cuts across the board for all KY schools.  They cut their marching band among several programs.  I assume it's hitting athletics as well.
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I'm surprised EKU is able to attend.  Major budget cuts across the board for all KY schools.  They cut their marching band among several programs.  I assume it's hitting athletics as well.


It's possible that since school is out that LMU offered dorm housing.  And, since LMU is about 3 miles from LAX transportation is pretty easy and cheap.
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My sources from Troy said that the only teams that get a bid are those that finish in the top of their conference that didn't make the NCAA tournament.  So, if that is true, then I guess they didn't even attempt to fill the bracket if those teams declined?  I didn't have time to go check the records of the teams in, but apparently you can't just volunteer to go play.
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It's possible that since school is out that LMU offered dorm housing.  And, since LMU is about 3 miles from LAX transportation is pretty easy and cheap.


Maybe UK's private jet dropped them off on the way to Oregon...
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My sources from Troy said that the only teams that get a bid are those that finish in the top of their conference that didn't make the NCAA tournament.  So, if that is true, then I guess they didn't even attempt to fill the bracket if those teams declined?  I didn't have time to go check the records of the teams in, but apparently you can't just volunteer to go play.


Here's how they select (see link).  Basically the next best team for each conference that didn't go to the NCAA tournament gets an automatic bid.  For example, LMU came in second in the WCC so their bid was automatic.  Others' got an invite as needed to fill out the brackets.  11 of the 18 were automatic bids.

https://www.womensnisc.com/tournament-field.html

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Maybe UK's private jet dropped them off on the way to Oregon...


A joke?  NCAA provides all transportation for all sports in NCAA playoffs.  L.A. is about as close to Texas as it is to Oregon.  So, as a joke it was a pretty far stretch.  Was the point to demean EKU?
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I wasn't aware the NISC was an NCAA-sponsored event.

The comment was a joke, yes, given that the cost of the trip was being minimized by the post I responded to.  I think the school is footing the bill for the trip and given the financial status of many KY schools, it is a bit surprising they are able to attend.  Good for them, but that's a pretty expensive trip.  And yes, I've heard that UK is taking a private jet, so that part wasn't a joke.
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Here's how they select (see link).  Basically the next best team for each conference that didn't go to the NCAA tournament gets an automatic bid.  For example, LMU came in second in the WCC so their bid was automatic.  Others' got an invite as needed to fill out the brackets.  11 of the 18 were automatic bids.

https://www.womensnisc.com/tournament-field.html



Maybe that's how Cal Poly made it last year, by invite or possibly best overall record in conference before the tournament, because they finished 5th in conference.
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I wasn't aware the NISC was an NCAA-sponsored event.

The comment was a joke, yes, given that the cost of the trip was being minimized by the post I responded to.  I think the school is footing the bill for the trip and given the financial status of many KY schools, it is a bit surprising they are able to attend.  Good for them, but that's a pretty expensive trip.  And yes, I've heard that UK is taking a private jet, so that part wasn't a joke.


NISC is an NCAA event being run by Triple Crown.  I don't know who pays for travel and housing but since it's an NCAA event I expect the NCAA foots the bill. 
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NCAA does not foot the whole bill. I remember seeing something where they might cap travel costs.
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It's kinda interesting because the NCAA is not mentioned on the website.  It's Triple Crown and NFCA.
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The ncaa does not cover any expenses for the NISC tourament. All expenses paid by the school. That's why there is a lack of participation.
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I don't think they used the criteria they posted on their website.  For example Utah Valley had a losing record and their RPI was 217. Weber State was 0-2 in their conference play, their RPI was 150  though.  

I am interested if there was a tournament fee?

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Im sure when the basketball nit tournament was created everyone looked down on it, give this thing 5-10 years and see if it grows. Who knows maybe down the line there is some tv time, beats watching the same teams make the WCWS everyyear.
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Im sure when the basketball nit tournament was created everyone looked down on it, give this thing 5-10 years and see if it grows. Who knows maybe down the line there is some tv time, beats watching the same teams make the WCWS everyyear.


No it doesn't.
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Im sure when the basketball nit tournament was created everyone looked down on it, give this thing 5-10 years and see if it grows. Who knows maybe down the line there is some tv time, beats watching the same teams make the WCWS everyyear.


The NIT was around before the NCAA and was originally the de facto national championship.
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No fee for the tournament. Travel costs for each team capped at $10,000. Triple Crown covers anything above that. This cost is down from last year.


So how does Triple Crown make any money out of the this?  It's not the gate fees or the TV contract.  I highly doubt they are doing this out of the kindness of their heart.
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When our coach talked about possibly doing this it didn't sound too bad.  Getting a few games in with teams we can be more competitive with didn't sound all bad.  I think the assumption was a P5 would likely host a regional so that was appealing.  We also assumed the games would be on weekends so easy to get to.  In the end I don't know if we weren't invited or declined, but nobody minded we didn't go.  Who wants to travel to watch midweek softball games on what amounts to little more than a HS field.  Thank you Freiguy and Texas Tech for letting us off the hook   😉   I do like the concept and I hope they figure out how to make it successful.  Weekend games and providing incentive for P5 teams to join would help.  We all know good mid majors have no troubles with bad P5's, but on paper it still has that David vs Goliath aspect that I think would be intriguing to a casual fan.  

I also think think it does help with recruiting for a team to say "we made the post season", no matter what that post season might be.  
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Im sure when the basketball nit tournament was created everyone looked down on it, give this thing 5-10 years and see if it grows. Who knows maybe down the line there is some tv time, beats watching the same teams make the WCWS everyyear.


In basketball the NIT tournament precedes the NCAA basketball tournament and, for many years, was the most prestigious post season tournament. 
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So how does Triple Crown make any money out of the this?  It's not the gate fees or the TV contract.  I highly doubt they are doing this out of the kindness of their heart.


I’m sure it’s an investment in the sport for which they hope to have longer-term, not immediate, return.

Maybe within 10 years this postseason event will have some traction ... or maybe it’s a way to make contacts and learn the sport and figure out how to host a prestigious early-season event sometime down the road like the Preseason NIT, which I think has first and second round games at home sites and then winners advance to a final four bigger event (in basketball it’s in NYC, I think). I could see that working well in softball — share the gate proceeds from the early-round games to pay for travel to a final four, double-elimination tournament in Florida or Texas or California to decide the championship. I think that’s how to get P5 schools on board.
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with all this interest in this tournament and no one has posted the results of any games.
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This has been a fun tournament to watch. Much better than the Notoriously Corrupt Athletic Association's money throwing competition.
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