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sbparent

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Triple Crown Sports and the National Fastpitch Coaches Association (NFCA) joined forces to bring back the NISC in 2017 as a postseason NCAA Division I event that highlights the explosive growth of women's softball and the depth of talent on college rosters from coast to coast. The Postseason NISC is now an annual event for women's NCAA Division I softball involving 24-32 teams in a two-round double-elimination format. All NISC games are played at the home facility or an acceptable alternate facility of host schools. The NISC is operated, supervised and directed by Triple Crown Sports, a sports event company based in Fort Collins, Colorado.


Their info says 24-32 teams but this year only 17 selected.  Did several teams pass on an invitation to play?  Of the last 4 out of the NCAA selection, none are playing in the NISC and only one Power5 conference team (Texas Tech).  Doesn't look like this tournament will make it another year.
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Nobody pays attention the the basketball NIT either, so it should have easily followed that a softball NIT would fail.  Not everyone needs a trophy for just showing up.
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But the basketball NIT has a TV contract and buy-in from P5 teams.  I don't know the economics of it, but it's not a failure.  Agreed that it has limited appeal though.
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But the basketball NIT has a TV contract and buy-in from P5 teams.  I don't know the economics of it, but it's not a failure.  Agreed that it has limited appeal though.

The NIT also has tons of history. This is more Vegas 16, which couldn't even find 16 teams wiling to fork over the money to participate so it chose 8 then folded the next season. 
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Here's the deal. Once the regular season is over, the girls already have their tickets to go home. If they are in the NCAA they make changes. Otherwise they are gone and nobody wants to be in some runner up bowl.
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I love the NIT. Great for our sport and gets teams post season experience and some extra practice.  Does anyone have the brackets for this?
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https://www.womensnisc.com/bracket.html
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Why no Illinois, Pitt, Louisville, N.C. etc? You would think they would want to extend their season and get the experience. 
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I think the reality is most kids are exhausted and ready to start their summers.
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Last year, only 1 P5 team played in this tournament (Michigan State, if I remember correctly).  This year, same thing (Texas Tech).

For some of the mid-majors, it's also a money issue.
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Here's the deal. Once the regular season is over, the girls already have their tickets to go home. If they are in the NCAA they make changes. Otherwise they are gone and nobody wants to be in some runner up bowl.



That's it right there.
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Why no Illinois, Pitt, Louisville, N.C. etc? You would think they would want to extend their season and get the experience. 


These teams are asked to go. I don't even think there's a qualifier to get in. Just say you want to go.


By the way that's a nice picture that comes up on the link πŸ˜ƒ
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These teams are asked to go. I don't even think there's a qualifier to get in. Just say you want to go.


By the way that's a nice picture that comes up on the link πŸ˜ƒ



Why yes it is!
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By the way that's a nice picture that comes up on the link πŸ˜ƒ


My GOD, that picture is so played out!!!!  LOL

Great Picture!!!
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My GOD, that picture is so played out!!!!  LOL

Great Picture!!!


[crazy] lol
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I watched most of the NIT last year because Liberty was playing and I can tell you that it 100% made them a better team this year.  They had additional practices and elimination games.  Teams would be crazy not to go, especially young teams.
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I watched most of the NIT last year because Liberty was playing and I can tell you that it 100% made them a better team this year.  They had additional practices and elimination games.  Teams would be crazy not to go, especially young teams.



They had a really good record. but really, who did they beat?
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They had a really good record. but really, who did they beat?


They are on a 17 game winning streak and have beat the teams they are supposed to beat.  They are a much better team this year and they had 10 extra games last year because of the NIT.  I am not saying they are going to win a regional or anything, but I bet if you ask the coach if those 10 games made her team better she would agree.  They had UCLA on the ropes (Garcia was not pitching).  
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I mean, if teams are willing to pay to go to it, and they can organize it .... who does it hurt?  Let them have their games and practices. 
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I think the NISC is good for the sport and creates opportunities for young women to play. I agree it could be cost prohibitive for some schools but if it gives the teams like Liberty a taste of post season and helps get them over the hump it’s a good thing for the sport. I’m sure there are a lot of teams who have players who have made plans after their season but if it were to catch on (as it’s only in the second year) I think it could be another incentive for teams, especially mid majors.
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They are on a 17 game winning streak and have beat the teams they are supposed to beat.  They are a much better team this year and they had 10 extra games last year because of the NIT.  I am not saying they are going to win a regional or anything, but I bet if you ask the coach if those 10 games made her team better she would agree.  They had UCLA on the ropes (Garcia was not pitching).  


I'm sure Dot would say that, But their best wins this year were against teams who had a final RPI of 34 Kennesaw State, 56 Longwood (who won the other two games of the series), NC 68 and 80 NC state, unless I missed another team with a better RPI. 

the number 3 and 4 pitchers of UCLA pitched.


But I will say that if the teams want to go. go play it. but it's not looking good for participation so far. 
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Utah Valley doesn't even have a winning record.  Weber State was 0-2 in their conference tournament.  What is the point other than coaches claiming they went to an end of the year tournament?

It sounds like a travel ball tournament.

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Utah Valley doesn't even have a winning record.  Weber State was 0-2 in their conference tournament.  What is the point other than coaches claiming they went to an end of the year tournament?

It sounds like a travel ball tournament.


Well Triple Crown Sports does put it on...jus sayin!
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We had 4 very close friends from two different teams that played in this last season. They all told us that the players on both teams did not want to go, and thought it was a joke, but their coaches pushed the issue.

With the landscape of the sport as it is now; with the eSECpn connection, the disparity from the P5 football money schools and the other teams, the conference/school broadcast networks coming online, I would much rather see the whole thing split like football is with the FCS and FBS.

Talent is at all levels, however depth, facilities, money to hire coaching staffs, etc. has made it two separate and distinctive leagues already. 

It's time to face the facts, and hucksters like TCS are just profiting off a broken system.  
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We had 4 very close friends from two different teams that played in this last season. They all told us that the players on both teams did not want to go, and thought it was a joke, but their coaches pushed the issue.

With the landscape of the sport as it is now; with the eSECpn connection, the disparity from the P5 football money schools and the other teams, the conference/school broadcast networks coming online, I would much rather see the whole thing split like football is with the FCS and FBS.

Talent is at all levels, however depth, facilities, money to hire coaching staffs, etc. has made it two separate and distinctive leagues already. 

It's time to face the facts, and hucksters like TCS are just profiting off a broken system.  




+1 on the bold  also schools on the quarter system are still in school with finals coming up
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From a mid-major coach's POV - especially in one-bid leagues - I can see this as a selling point or chance to hype your program by showing that you qualified for the post-season.  Most schools have to win their conference tourney to make it to the NCAAs, so this is the most realistic chance to make the post-season.  If travel/cost is not a limiting factor, I can see why the players would not be interested but coaches would want to go.
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We had 4 very close friends from two different teams that played in this last season. They all told us that the players on both teams did not want to go, and thought it was a joke, but their coaches pushed the issue.

With the landscape of the sport as it is now; with the eSECpn connection, the disparity from the P5 football money schools and the other teams, the conference/school broadcast networks coming online, I would much rather see the whole thing split like football is with the FCS and FBS.

Talent is at all levels, however depth, facilities, money to hire coaching staffs, etc. has made it two separate and distinctive leagues already. 

It's time to face the facts, and hucksters like TCS are just profiting off a broken system.  


Great idea and agreed.
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From a mid-major coach's POV - especially in one-bid leagues - I can see this as a selling point or chance to save your job by showing that you qualified for the post-season. 


FTFY

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Qualifications?  I'm curious to know what they are.
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FTFY


Didn't work for Morehead's coach.  I hear they were invited to this tourney but the administration turned it down, then let him go since his contract was up.
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