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Wow - she was the senior member of the Cabinet.
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She was ambassador to the UN.  Is that a cabinet position? 

Not being negative, it is an important role and Haley redefined the US relationship with the UN, and then redefined the UN.  UN was useless cartoonish wonky body that said and did odd things.  Like put Iran in charge of their commission on human rights.  Nonstop USA hate. 

Now they are much more respectful, becoming a slightly useful body.  They are talking about terrorism etc.

I just never considered UN ambassador in the cabinet, just one of the most important ambassador positions. 

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I am hearing that she is not looking at a next role yet.  Speculation about her in the Senate, or AG, or ambassador to NKor, or other roles are not coming true.
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hmm, just looked it up.  Ambassador to the UN is a cabinet position.
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I am hearing that she is not looking at a next role yet.  Speculation about her in the Senate, or AG, or ambassador to NKor, or other roles are not coming true.


Well, she is not a lawyer, so this one is not a surprise.
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Well, she is not a lawyer, so this one is not a surprise.

yeah, it was more free up Haley to go be Senator from S Carolina, which would free up Graham to be AG.

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That would make sense - he's up in 2020, so she wouldn't have to run a double election I don't think.  Not sure how SC would handle it, but she could plausibly get two years and then run at the normal time for the seat.

There are rumblings about her private flight use, but who knows.
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Graham is saying he has no plans to join the administration.  But they always say that.  If we can get Graham of late, that would be a strong AG.  Which is badly needed. 

Good point on 2020 is Grahams next election.  They could have Graham move to AG, and use whatever special election process South Carolina has, to get Haley seated.   Then she gets 2 years, and a reelection.  



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Trump lays out an impressive list of what they have accomplished at the UN.
Then Haley lays out her list, and it was impressive.   They were 2 very long complimentary lists, with only a touch of overlap.   

Nikki has forever changed the Ambassador to the UN as a position.  For the better. 


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hehe Rodman to UN Ambassador position.  Someone with actual success in navigating complex foreign policy to a positive result. 
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hehe Rodman to UN Ambassador position.  Someone with actual success in navigating complex foreign policy to a positive result. 



If Rodman truly wanted to be a hero, he would have snapped that little faggots murdering NK neck when playing basketball with him, but instead he said I don't think Un is evil, I just don't see it.

Lmfao.
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She quickly shot down 2020 rumors - will be campaigning for Trump.

Quick assessment - she will run in 2024.

Long shot - Trump sees a huge deficit in the polls with women - Pence gets "health issues" - and runs with Haley.
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She will be leading a SJW revisionist history foundation, whose goal is to insure peace harmony and tranquility by empowering SJWs to destroy and deface any parks schools or monuments they disagree with.

She'll draw on her deep 1st generation american roots to preach the SJW gospel.
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She will be leading a SJW revisionist history foundation, whose goal is to insure peace harmony and tranquility by empowering SJWs to destroy and deface any parks schools or monuments they disagree with.

She'll draw on her deep 1st generation american roots to preach the SJW gospel.



Gotta say, that's curious.

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I like Richard Grenell as her replacement. Or Ivanka. Discuss.
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Ivanka said she is out
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Yea I know. I keep up on the Ivanka news. Just wanted to bring her into the conversation because rack.
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Bolton needs to be that guy that tells the world and the UN to F off and die in a putrid heap of third world puss and decay. But hey, who am I to guide foreign policy. I will leave it up to the experts that have left the ME in chaos, and made the House of Saud rulers of the nether regions of  a vacated and imploded British and French colonial rule. Ever watch any film of former colonial nations? You see some 1900 era hotels and some other infrastructure that is decayed beyond repair, and people living in sheet metal and plywood shacks. So much for a liberated and  prosperous future in those regions of the world. Just sell them enough weapons to keep them occupied with their internal genocidal campaigns and out of our sphere of reality.
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Bolton has already been UN ambassodor.  He is the Nsational Security Advisor now, which is a super important advisor position.  It is considered inner circle position.  Going back to the UN would be a huge job demotion. 

They need to get some of these young folks going on it.  Ivanka would have been perfect.  I suspect they would love to get Jared to do it, but he is the major player in NKor, Isreal/Palestine, and the trade negotiations.  So no way they let hem go.

So far only Dina Powell is known to be on the list.

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Bolton has already been UN ambassodor.  He is the Nsational Security Advisor now, which is a super important advisor position.  It is considered inner circle position.  Going back to the UN would be a huge job demotion. 

They need to get some of these young folks going on it.  Ivanka would have been perfect.  I suspect they would love to get Jared to do it, but he is the major player in NKor, Isreal/Palestine, and the trade negotiations.  So no way they let hem go.

So far only Dina Powell is known to be on the list.


Jared is not a major player in North Korea talks, and he isn't going to accomplish anything with respect to the Palestinian-Israeli conflict because he has zero credibility, given that he is pals with that fascist thug Netanyahu, who runs Israel. 

As for Ivanka at the U.N., get serious. Even Trump--who has already violated nepotism rules by appointing her and her corrupt husband to White House positions for which they have no qualifications--knows that's not happening. The world would laugh at Trump, again, if he did that. 

As for Bolton, he's the fire-breathing, irrational hothead who played a key role Bush's feckless invasion of Iraq--a war started on false pretenses. He lied and the rest of the Bushies lied about Saddam and Iraq, lied big and lied often. He's a horse's ass, always ranting about Iran. He might want to take a more realistic look at our putative buddy the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, who just had a Saudi journalist/dissident murdered in one of his own consulates, which is one of the more heinous acts I've ever heard of--Putin-like. The crown prince has also been busy killing innocent civilians in Yemen with American-made bombs. He ordered a blockade of Qatar which was totally irrational. He pretends to be a reformer but it is quite clear that he's a thug. Saudi Arabia is the classic example of U.S. foreign-policy hypocrisy. That country is every bit as bad as Iran, if not worse--but Trump is besties with the crown prince. Joke. 



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Bolton needs to be that guy that tells the world and the UN to F off and die in a putrid heap of third world puss and decay. But hey, who am I to guide foreign policy. I will leave it up to the experts that have left the ME in chaos, and made the House of Saud rulers of the nether regions of  a vacated and imploded British and French colonial rule. Ever watch any film of former colonial nations? You see some 1900 era hotels and some other infrastructure that is decayed beyond repair, and people living in sheet metal and plywood shacks. So much for a liberated and  prosperous future in those regions of the world. Just sell them enough weapons to keep them occupied with their internal genocidal campaigns and out of our sphere of reality.



Yea, rednecks like telling the world to f--k off, don't you Woody? It comports with the general personality and lack of intelligence in the group--it's not like rednecks have seen much of the world; for them, seeing the world means a drive down to the Florida panhandle. You might recall that that Bolton, when he was in the Bush administration, was always keen to tell the rest of the world to f--k off. And so he and Bush/Cheney and others in that administration opted to lie to the American people to start the Iraq war--fail--and almost no other nations joined with us in the effort because they knew it was a stupid move. It's always macho bulls--t with the conservatives, just like rednecks like to roar around in the big noisy trucks, spewing exhaust, and acting like tough guys when they're really just fools. 

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/17/us/politics/north-korea-back-channel-kushner-gabriel-schulze.html

https://www.ft.com/content/2d8ee486-7227-11e8-aa31-31da4279a601

Haley mentioned Kushner and Pompeo in her exit speech.  Praised both of them for their hard worked efforts. 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/21/opinions/for-gaza-peace-tell-the-truth-about-hamas-haley-kushner-friedman-greenblatt/index.html

"Hamas, the terrorist group that controls Gaza, has been inciting the violence at the Israeli boundary fence for months, using Palestinian civilians as human shields."
"For the first time in the United Nations, more nations than not acknowledged that peace between Israel and the Palestinian people must be built on a foundation of truth regarding Hamas. "




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Yea, rednecks like telling the world to f--k off, don't you Woody? It comports with the general personality and lack of intelligence in the group--it's not like rednecks have seen much of the world; for them, seeing the world means a drive down to the Florida panhandle. You might recall that that Bolton, when he was in the Bush administration, was always keen to tell the rest of the world to f--k off. And so he and Bush/Cheney and others in that administration opted to lie to the American people to start the Iraq war--fail--and almost no other nations joined with us in the effort because they knew it was a stupid move. It's always macho bulls--t with the conservatives, just like rednecks like to roar around in the big noisy trucks, spewing exhaust, and acting like tough guys when they're really just fools. 

The world got confused.  Obama constantly bowing to them.  Obama constantly sending them billions if they threatened us, trying to bribe them for peace. 

It is not about telling the world to F'off.  It is about coming from a place of mutual respect.  There has to be some honesty in the equation.  If it is just everyone politically lying to each other there is no foundation.  

For instance, France is not the great power they pretend to be, and should not be treated as such.  They were weak and feeble going into WWII.  We saved their asses.  They marched about the world crowing like they did something.  Then they got themselves completely mired in socialism.  The implemented it to the hilt.  Destroyed their manufacturing base, destroyed their high tech sectors.  Then under the guise of Political Correctness they took in millions of foreigners that are mostly low education and low skill.  Crime has spiraled upward out of control.  Now they have a 2.465 trillion dollar GDP vs US's 18.57 trillion dollar GDP and China's 11.2 trillion dollar GDP. 

Middle East, we have the last elements of ISIS getting rooted out.  We have the Saudi's leading a coalition against Iranian backed terrorists in Yemen.  We have Saudi, the free Syrian army and Israel attacking Syrian targets and ISIS in Syria.   This has effectively isolated Iran and their terror network.  

We have probably the strongest possible peace effort in the Israel Palestinian coalition.  

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Yea, rednecks like telling the world to f--k off, don't you Woody? It comports with the general personality and lack of intelligence in the group--it's not like rednecks have seen much of the world; for them, seeing the world means a drive down to the Florida panhandle. You might recall that that Bolton, when he was in the Bush administration, was always keen to tell the rest of the world to f--k off. And so he and Bush/Cheney and others in that administration opted to lie to the American people to start the Iraq war--fail--and almost no other nations joined with us in the effort because they knew it was a stupid move. It's always macho bulls--t with the conservatives, just like rednecks like to roar around in the big noisy trucks, spewing exhaust, and acting like tough guys when they're really just fools. 



Kazoo...shhhhhh.  In case you have not noticed, Woody has super high functioning intelligence, as do most of the hillbillies who post in this forum.
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The world got confused.  Obama constantly bowing to them.  Obama constantly sending them billions if they threatened us, trying to bribe them for peace. 

It is not about telling the world to F'off.  It is about coming from a place of mutual respect.  There has to be some honesty in the equation.  If it is just everyone politically lying to each other there is no foundation.  

For instance, France is not the great power they pretend to be, and should not be treated as such.  They were weak and feeble going into WWII.  We saved their asses.  They marched about the world crowing like they did something.  Then they got themselves completely mired in socialism.  The implemented it to the hilt.  Destroyed their manufacturing base, destroyed their high tech sectors.  Then under the guise of Political Correctness they took in millions of foreigners that are mostly low education and low skill.  Crime has spiraled upward out of control.  Now they have a 2.465 trillion dollar GDP vs US's 18.57 trillion dollar GDP and China's 11.2 trillion dollar GDP. 

Middle East, we have the last elements of ISIS getting rooted out.  We have the Saudi's leading a coalition against Iranian backed terrorists in Yemen.  We have Saudi, the free Syrian army and Israel attacking Syrian targets and ISIS in Syria.   This has effectively isolated Iran and their terror network.  

We have probably the strongest possible peace effort in the Israel Palestinian coalition.  



There is no peace effort involving the Palestinians and Israelis because 1) Netanyahu is a fascist thug who has no interest in peace or in giving the Pals a viable homeland; and 2) because the Trump administration is not a fair broker on the conflict and everybody knows it. Previous administrations have been fair brokers--including George H.W. Bush and Clinton--but Trump is pals with Netanyahu and Kushner, who is Jewish, is far worse. They want to push the Pals around--insulted the Palestinians and everybody else by moving the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem, and so there will be no peace under Trump. 

As for France, WWII is ancient history. France is a smallish country but, like all of Europe, far more sophisticated than the United States. They don't have rubes and crazy christians who want to push stupid policies; they respect the environment and the idea of public safety while we have blocks of conservatives who are too idiotic to understand that we're steadily ruining the planet with toxic waste and carbon and steadily ruining America with gun violence and economic inequality. Their economy has always been much smaller than ours. Destroyed their manufacturing base? I believe that's out problem. If their economic policies weren't working for them, they could change them. Let's see: how many western/advanced countries with universal health insurance have decided to ditch their system to adopt the American system? That would be a big fat ZERO. Our system is massive failure. 

As for refugees, yes, countries need to consider the numbers--but they must also be humanitarian. We decided to intervene in Vietnam and fought that war for more than a decade; should we not have taken Vietnamese refugees? We started a war in Iraq that threw the whole region into turmoil--there was no ISIS before the Iraq war; should we not have taken Iraqi refugees. And let's be clear: ISIS had been in retreat for years and was all but beaten when Obama left office, so let's stop pretending that Trump had anything to do with the defeat of Isis--he didn't. 

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Kazoo - exactly what "crazy Christian" policies are you speaking of?
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The rest of the world lives off of American health innovations.  Name an major health innovation since Penicillin that was not invented/perfected in the USA?

There are still many many Europeans, Canadians, Russians, Mexicans that come to the USA for advanced treatment.  You do not see it going to other direction.  

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And let's be clear: ISIS had been in retreat for years and was all but beaten when Obama left office, so let's stop pretending that Trump had anything to do with the defeat of Isis--he didn't. 


My gawd you're a real dumbass.  

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and oh, by the way, we have always had universal care in the US.  No one was ever left out.

What you have implemented is universal Cadillac care.  If it costs you $4.5M to drive drug addled layabouts to the hospital in ambulances, instead of normal transportation, so be it, spend it, let the taxpayer get the cost.

We are not talking normal, reasonable inexpensive healthcare anymore.

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