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CajunAmos

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I remember reading a portion of this in another thread but couldn't find it. For those who are interested, the link below is to the PDF document outlining all of the rule changes adopted for the 2018-2019 seasons.

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2018-19WSB_Rules_Changes_20170817.pdf
3leftturns

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Not a f---ing peep from any of the jagoffs about replay
CajunAmos

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I should have noted that these where what was characterized as the "Major Rule Changes". You can download the complete 2018-2019 rule book in three different formats for free at the link below.

http://www.ncaapublications.com/p-4523-2018-and-2019-ncaa-womens-softball-rules.aspx
outofzone

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That somebody ACTUALLY gets ejected for an extra Conference...believe it when I see it. 
daemon

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I have seen it.  Twice.  Coaches forget, players forget.  It happens.
texassmallball

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What will be called less, the illegal pitch or the slapper out of the box?

Personally, do not like the new slapping out of the box guidelines. What are they trying to do, kill offense?
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Not a peep about illegal pitches, although they did make a (slight) change to the "crowhop" rule.

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10.4.6 Crow hopping is not allowed. The pitcher may not replant, gain a second starting point and push off her pivot foot. Once having lost contact with the pitcher’s plate, the pivot foot may trail on the ground but may not bear weight again until the pitch is released.


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10.4.6 The pitcher is not allowed to hop or drag to a replant (crowhop), gain a second starting point and push off her pivot foot. Once having lost contact with the pitcher’s plate, the pivot foot may trail on the ground but may not bear weight again until the pitch is released.


The first would seem to imply that crow hopping involves both a replant and a push off, the second that a replant, by itself, is a crowhop.
CajunAmos

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Not a peep about illegal pitches, although they did make a (slight) change to the "crowhop" rule.

2016-17:



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The first would seem to imply that crow hopping involves both a replant and a push off, the second that a replant, by itself, is a crowhop.


Since the pivot foot MAY trail on the ground, MUST it?
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Since the pivot foot MAY trail on the ground, MUST it?


Yes.  10.4.5
CajunAmos

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Yes.  10.4.5


I'm a fan of it not having to keep in contact with the ground as long as you're not replanting. JMO
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I'm a fan of it not having to keep in contact with the ground as long as you're not replanting. JMO


Generally speaking, so am I. But, since no umpires (including those in the Pac) are calling this consistently, I favor abolishing the rules related to hopping/replanting altogether.
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Agree, cjs, and move rubber to 46 feet
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What will be called less, the illegal pitch or the slapper out of the box?

Personally, do not like the new slapping out of the box guidelines. What are they trying to do, kill offense?


I was watching the first DII games of the season on ESPN3 on Saturday, and saw the "cannot contact the pitch with any part of the foot touching the ground outside the batter box" rule called twice in the first game. The slapper clearly had a bit less than half of her foot over the batters box line at contact and the ump called her out. Didn't see any IPs called.
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<< I was watching the first DII games of the season on ESPN3 on Saturday, and saw the "cannot contact the pitch with any part of the foot touching the ground outside the batter box" rule called twice in the first game. The slapper clearly had a bit less than half of her foot over the batters box line at contact and the ump called her out. Didn't see any IPs called. >> (CW Angel)

You won't see any IPs called... IF the pitchers are working legally.
Were any of the pitchers actually throwing any IP? 
Were any of the pitchers you watched using Barnhill-like techniques (were they flying through the air with both feet off the ground)?
Or were they dragging their trail foot like the vast majority of the legal pitchers we see? 
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<< I was watching the first DII games of the season on ESPN3 on Saturday, and saw the "cannot contact the pitch with any part of the foot touching the ground outside the batter box" rule called twice in the first game. The slapper clearly had a bit less than half of her foot over the batters box line at contact and the ump called her out. Didn't see any IPs called. >> (CW Angel)

You won't see any IPs called... IF the pitchers are working legally.
Were any of the pitchers actually throwing any IP? 
Were any of the pitchers you watched using Barnhill-like techniques (were they flying through the air with both feet off the ground)?
Or were they dragging their trail foot like the vast majority of the legal pitchers we see? 


Sorry I wasn't clearer...It's not that they weren't calling IPs, it's that I didn't see any pitches that should have been called IP. Pitching I saw looked legal to me.
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If they're not going to call illegal pitches--and there is multiple photos/videos showing that Barnhill replants--they should move the rubber back a couple of feet. I think they should make softball fields bigger and phase out slapping--a hitting technique that emerged to take advantage of a basepath that is obviously too short. When players can beat out two- or three-hop grounders to short, the field is too small. It's a bit of a joke, really. 

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If they're not going to call illegal pitches--and there is multiple photos/videos showing that Barnhill replants--they should move the rubber back a couple of feet. I think they should make softball fields bigger and phase out slapping--a hitting technique that emerged to take advantage of a basepath that is obviously too short. When players can beat out two- or three-hop grounders to short, the field is too small. It's a bit of a joke, really. 


So you want baseball😁
outofzone

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Anybody notice more calls on slappers out of box? In Duke/FAU DH last nite FAU called 3 times I believe for infraction. 
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So you want baseball😁


My exact thought!  LOL
Kurosawa

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If they're not going to call illegal pitches--and there is multiple photos/videos showing that Barnhill replants--they should move the rubber back a couple of feet.


And punish all the pitchers who don't replant? It would be a lot simpler to just call the replant. That's assuming, of course, that the NCAA can reclaim ownership of its own rulebook from ESPN/SEC.
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And punish all the pitchers who don't replant? It would be a lot simpler to just call the replant. That's assuming, of course, that the NCAA can reclaim ownership of its own rulebook from ESPN/SEC.


Good post.
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Good post.
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