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Mr. Softball
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Per NCAA Proposal No. 2016-38, the below Softball recruiting calendar will be effective on August 1, 2017. 

 

13.17.7 Softball. The following periods of recruiting shall apply to softball:

(a) August 1 through the 10th Sunday following the completion of the NCAA Division I Softball Championship: Contact Period

(bThe 10th Monday following the completion of the Division I Softball Championship through the Sunday prior to Thanksgiving Day [except for (1) and (2) below]: Evaluation Period

(1) Monday through Thursday of the week that includes the initial date for the fall signing of the National Letter of Intent: Dead Period

(2) Evaluations at nonscholastic practice or competition activities shall not occur except on Saturdays and Sundays during the six weekends prior to Thanksgiving.

(cThe Monday prior to Thanksgiving Day through January 1 [except for (1) below]: Quiet Period

(1) The first official day of the national convention of the National Fastpitch Coaches Association through the day of adjournment of the convention: Dead Period

(d) January 2 through the Monday prior to the Division I Softball Championship [except for (1) and (2) below]: Evaluation Period

(1) Monday through Thursday of the week that includes the initial date for the spring signing of the National Letter of Intent: Dead Period

(2) Evaluations at nonscholastic practice and competition activities are prohibited.

(e) Tuesday prior to the start of the Division I Softball Championship to the day after the championship game: Dead Period

(f) The day after the completion of the Division I Softball Championship through July 31: Contact Period

(g) During high school regional and state championship competition that does not occur during a dead period: Evaluation Period

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Originally Posted by Mr. Softball

Per NCAA Proposal No. 2016-38, the below Softball recruiting calendar will be effective on August 1, 2017. 

(2) Evaluations at nonscholastic practice or competition activities shall not occur except on Saturdays and Sundays during the six weekends prior to Thanksgiving.

(2) Evaluations at nonscholastic practice and competition activities are prohibited.



Interesting.... nonscholastic being the operative word here. This should help eliminate what effectively have amounted to a structured "tryouts" when coaches have been "observing" travel ball team practices. Wonder if we will start to see more coaches attending high school practices as a result?
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I like it because hopefully it will do away with Thursday and Friday games at the recruiting events during the fall when the kids should be in school.
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Does anybody know if the other Softball rules passed?  

Such as doing away with the 50 day recruiting rule, Official visits after Sept 1 of a players Junior year, Non-offers until July 1 after a players Sophomore year and others.
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Does anybody know if the other Softball rules passed?  

Such as doing away with the 50 day recruiting rule, Official visits after Sept 1 of a players Junior year, Non-offers until July 1 after a players Sophomore year and others.


NCAA DIVISION I COUNCIL APPROVES NEW RECRUITING CALENDAR


Dear Coach,

April is not just a busy time for softball coaches but for the NCAA as well. This week the NCAA Division I Council considered three proposals related to softball and has approved one while tabling two.  The Council tabled the following:
 

  1. The proposal to allow for official visits to occur during the junior year and not allow arranged unofficial visits until the junior year.  
  1. The proposal to allow student-athletes to participate in fall competition without using a season of eligibility.

 
We will continue to communicate with you as soon as we hear when the legislation will be further discuss and considered for adoption.
 
The good news is that the NCAA Division I softball recruiting calendar proposal was adopted and will be effective August 1, 2017

You can read the full proposal and details, including the 2017-2018 Recruiting calendar HERE.
 
Some key takeaways include:

  1. EVALUATION DAYS:  institutions will no longer be restricted to a maximum of 50 evaluation days.
  1. NONINSTITUTIONAL CAMPS:  An institution’s coach or staff member with responsibilities specific to softball may be employed (either on a salaried or volunteer basis) in a non-institutional, privately owned camp or clinic ONLY during the recruiting calendar periods when evaluation at non-scholastic practice or competition activities is permitted (i.e., during the summer contact period and the six weekends prior to Thanksgiving).
  2. Evaluations at non-scholastic practice and competition activities shall not occur except on Saturdays and Sundays during the six weekends prior to Thanksgiving:
    1. October 14 & 15, October 21 & 22, October 28 & 29, November 4 & 5, November 11 & 12, and November 18 & 19 are dates permitting observation of non-scholastic activities in 2017.
  3. During the Jan 2 - May 28, 2018 Evaluation period; Evaluation at non-scholastic practice and competition activities are prohibited.
  4. Dead periods surrounding the NLI signing segments, the NFCA National Convention, and the Women's College World Series remain in the recruiting calendar.

If you have questions or would like more information on this adopted legislation do not hesitate to contact Joanna Lane, NFCA Division I Liasion at 502.409.4600 or joanna@nfca.org. As always we wish you the best of luck in your season.

The NFCA Team

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A shot across the bow of PGF, with the Aug 1 start date. Won't be too many coaches at 14/16u Natls. Looks like NFCA figured out how to stick it to them.
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A shot across the bow of PGF, with the Aug 1 start date. Won't be too many coaches at 14/16u Natls. Looks like NFCA figured out how to stick it to them.


August 1st has always been the beginning of the recruiting year.

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August 1st has always been the beginning of the recruiting year.


You are missing the point.

Beginning 8/1/17 D1 coaches can only evaluate on Sat & Sunday. 14/16u PGF begins 7/29, no coaches will be there Tues, Wed, Thurs, Fri of that tournament...thus making it less attractive.
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You are missing the point.

Beginning 8/1/17 D1 coaches can only evaluate on Sat & Sunday. 14/16u PGF begins 7/29, no coaches will be there Tues, Wed, Thurs, Fri of that tournament...thus making it less attractive.


You are reading only a portion of the calendar

August 1 to August 13(I think) is a contact period.

August 13 to thanksgiving coaches can only recruit on the 6 weekends before thanksgiving.

Click on the embedded link in his post and a full sized letter is attached.

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The changes start with the Aug 1, 2017 recruiting calendar.  Won't affect PGF nationals because they will be over by then.  The Fall tourney schedule will be impacted the most. No evaluations during the week will hurt some of the bigger Fall events like D9, PGF/Surf City stuff.
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The changes start with the Aug 1, 2017 recruiting calendar.  Won't affect PGF nationals because the new period for the six weekends only starts August 14 and PGF will be over by then.  The Fall tourney schedule will be impacted the most. No evaluations during the week will hurt some of the bigger Fall events like D9, PGF/Surf City stuff.
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It says Aug 1 - Aug 13 is a contact period, but other date ranges say evaluation period. What's the difference?
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The Saturday/Sunday is during the 6 week period only in the fall.

Surf City's big showcases will be okay. Saturday/Sunday are the two biggest days for their showcases. Friday's practice games will take a hit except my guess is teams will still play games. Camps are taking the biggest hit. On Decks National Camos/D9/PGF/TCS Camos in fall are basically done.
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You are reading only a portion of the calendar August 1 to August 13(I think) is a contact period. August 13 to thanksgiving coaches can only recruit on the 6 weekends before thanksgiving. Click on the embedded link in his post and a full sized letter is attached.


In case you consider the other responses unclear,

Since this takes effect on 8/1/17, anything prior to that date (like 7/29, 7/30, 7/31) are only enforced by the preexisting rules; so this doesn't matter at all.

What can be expected to happen is PGF shifting their 2018 (and later) dates to comply more fully with the new rules.
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In case you consider the other responses unclear,

Since this takes effect on 8/1/17, anything prior to that date (like 7/29, 7/30, 7/31) are only enforced by the preexisting rules; so this doesn't matter at all.

What can be expected to happen is PGF shifting their 2018 (and later) dates to comply more fully with the new rules.


What new rules affect the summer? The new changes are designed to keep kids in school during the school year and emphasize the high school softball seasons. They attempt to deemphasize recruiting 14U tournaments in the Jan- May timeframe and Additionally to keep college coaches at home during their regular seasons.

The prohibition on attending nonscholastic events in the fall is from August 14 to Thanksgiving, except the 6 Saturdays and Sundays detailed. Then there is the same prohibition in the spring from January 2 to May 29.

From May 30 to July 31 plus the first 2 weeks of August, 2018 for the new recruiting year, the summers will be exactly the same as they have always been. There has always been a dead period for the WCWS.

They dropped the 50 recruiting days limitation because the coaches can only recruit the travel ball circuit for 25 days(only 13 or 14 have events) in the fall and 55 or so days in the summer.

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Question on the Tabled items.  Are Tabled totally for this year or are they still being considered?  Redshirting rule could effect daughter.
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Not out of the question for some kids to be missing 2 days of school a week for some fall tournaments.
They are attempting to keep kids in school longer.
Also trying to condense the fall so kids don't get burnt out, possibly curb some of the overuse injuries as well.
For themselves as well (college coaches), they want to be on their own campuses with their teams.
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Not that many coaches will follow the rules... Better yet D1 coaches hardly follow the NCAA Rules...
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It says Aug 1 - Aug 13 is a contact period, but other date ranges say evaluation period. What's the difference?

Coaches can't have off-campus face-to-face contact during evaluation period. From http://www.ncaa.org/student-athletes/resources/recruiting-calendars:

What is a contact period?

During a contact period a college coach may have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents, watch student-athletes compete and visit their high schools, and write or telephone student-athletes or their parents.

What is an evaluation period?

During an evaluation period a college coach may watch college-bound student-athletes compete, visit their high schools, and write or telephone student-athletes or their parents. However, a college coach may not have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents off the college’s campus during an evaluation period.

What is a quiet period?

During a quiet period, a college coach may only have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents on the college’s campus.  A coach may not watch student-athletes compete (unless a competition occurs on the college’s campus) or visit their high schools. Coaches may write or telephone college-bound student-athletes or their parents during this time.

What is a dead period?

During a dead period a college coach may not have face-to-face contact with college-bound student-athletes or their parents, and may not watch student-athletes compete or visit their high schools. Coaches may write and telephone student-athletes or their parents during a dead period.

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Does this mean that you can't go recruiting to a tournament on a weekend in September unless it is at a high school game? Will this impact states where high school softball is a spring sport to make it a fall sport?
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Does this mean that you can't go recruiting to a tournament on a weekend in September unless it is at a high school game? Will this impact states where high school softball is a spring sport to make it a fall sport?


Yes and I doubt it.

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Yes and I doubt it.


I'd venture to say most kids don't get recruited from high school games, but from their travel teams.
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Does this mean that you can't go recruiting to a tournament on a weekend in September unless it is at a high school game? Will this impact states where high school softball is a spring sport to make it a fall sport?

Keep in mind this change is just for D-I. 

Moving to fall would be worse since they're not allowed to do any non-scholastic events from Jan 2 thru the championship.
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I'd venture to say most kids don't get recruited from high school games, but from their travel teams.


Agree. I was just answering his questions.

the six weekend in the fall are still going to be prime recruiting weekends for travel teams. And the summer events like Colorado, TCS, PGF USA Elite, the Bandits invitational in Chicago etc will be uneffected.

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Agree. I was just answering his questions. the six weekend in the fall are still going to be prime recruiting weekends for travel teams. And the summer events like Colorado, TCS, PGF USA Elite, the Bandits invitational in Chicago etc will be uneffected.


I know you did, I just had to keep my post count rising in case someone was keeping track. [biggrin]
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I'd venture to say most kids don't get recruited from high school games, but from their travel teams.


I agree with that as the current norm. But could that change a bit?

It will also likely change the way schools handle their fall schedules get everything done before October 15.
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I know you did, I just had to keep my post count rising in case someone was keeping track. [biggrin]


Nice work. Keep it up.

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You are reading only a portion of the calendar August 1 to August 13(I think) is a contact period. August 13 to thanksgiving coaches can only recruit on the 6 weekends before thanksgiving. Click on the embedded link in his post and a full sized letter is attached.


While this blows up mid-to-late fall weekday camps (typically held immediately before the weekend tournaments), it doesn't impact any of the fall tournaments themselves, at any point in the fall.  All weekends from Aug 14 - Nov 19 remain within the Evaluation Period.

Just sampling: only OnDeck's 2017 Arizona event now falls within this period.  Their big event at Mt. SAC will probably be moved up a week to avoid it, since it typically occurred around that 6 week pre-Thanksgiving cutoff.
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