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redbirdone

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So how will this affect softball schedules next year?  According to this state funded schools cannot travel to several states.  Keep in mind U of Cal played in the Auburn regional last year.  What if they get put in the Kentucky regional? Or Tennessee? Or Alabama next year?  Do they not go, or find a loophole, like they did for the Fresno State football team going to Alabama (loophole was if it was scheduled before 1/1/17)?  Or nudge the NCAA to assign them to a regional, and then a potential super regional that would not put them in one of these states?  This PC stuff is getting out of hand...


http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/23/californias-travel-ban-how-does-it-affect-college-sports/


https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/california-law-banning-state-travel-sets-dangerous-sports-precedent/


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I say that they travel to and play the games they are selected to or forfeit.

Now, the NCAA will never subscribe to this train of thought, but it would put an end to this politics in amateur sports non-sense.
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So how will this affect softball schedules next year?  According to this state funded schools cannot travel to several states.  Keep in mind U of Cal played in the Auburn regional last year.  What if they get put in the Kentucky regional? Or Tennessee? Or Alabama next year?  Do they not go, or find a loophole, like they did for the Fresno State football team going to Alabama (loophole was if it was scheduled before 1/1/17)?  Or nudge the NCAA to assign them to a regional, and then a potential super regional that would not put them in one of these states?  This PC stuff is getting out of hand...


http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/23/californias-travel-ban-how-does-it-affect-college-sports/


https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/california-law-banning-state-travel-sets-dangerous-sports-precedent/




PC stuff? Or just equal rights?

Compare this to race or religion and it's not ok to discriminate... why is it ok when it comes to LGBTQ?
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I think it stinks that athletes could be penalized because of these laws that they have nothing to do with.
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I think it stinks that athletes could be penalized because of these laws that they have nothing to do with.


Unless they fall into the category of LGBTQ, of course.
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PC stuff? Or just equal rights? Compare this to race or religion and it's not ok to discriminate... why is it ok when it comes to LGBTQ?



We are not here to argue like you want to dear Nellie...so stop trying to vent so and put it in the frame of context it is meant thanks!
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PC stuff? Or just equal rights? Compare this to race or religion and it's not ok to discriminate... why is it ok when it comes to LGBTQ?


So are you okay with banning travel to states that don't agree with your political positions but you're not okay banning travel from countries that throw gays off buildings?
NeutralNellie

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So are you okay with banning travel to states that don't agree with your political positions but you're not okay banning travel from countries that throw gays off buildings?


Where did we talk about international travel in this thread?

Also - my "political opinion" that discrimination shouldn't be tolerated? It's actually regarding human rights.

It's 2017. Get with it.
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Where did we talk about international travel in this thread? Also - my "political opinion" that discrimination shouldn't be tolerated? It's actually regarding human rights. It's 2017. Get with it.



13 posts in over a year on this board and 3 of them on this thread.[rolleyes]
NeutralNellie

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13 posts in over a year on this board and 3 of them on this thread.[rolleyes]


Clearly 13 posts means I'm not worthy. How silly of me.

I'm now at 14. How about at 15? Will that do it?

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Idiocracy is a must watch movie. It's more a documentary actually, you know like the Flintstones.

Personally I welcome all new posters and opinions. Janie, California is a foreign country to most. Thank Sweet Baby Jesus they don't have nuclear weapons. Isn't Kim Jong-un on the ballot for Governor there next year.
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Where did we talk about international travel in this thread? Also - my "political opinion" that discrimination shouldn't be tolerated? It's actually regarding human rights. It's 2017. Get with it.


I am not aware of any California school student-athlete who is gay being denied the right to participate in their sport because of their sexual preference.  Nor an I aware of any schools in the 8 banned states saying that their state schools cannot compete against any other out of state schools who have players that are gay.  Human rights?  That has nothing to do with the issue at hand.  This is more about California nut job politicians simply being California nut job politicians trying to grandstand on the issue de jour.  The only people being hurt in this charade are California student-athletes.
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Clearly 13 posts means I'm not worthy. How silly of me. I'm now at 14. How about at 15? Will that do it?


I will pull a Lefty on you..

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The state legislature voted and so, the state schools need to forfeit.  Then, potential recruits to those schools need to factor that in when deciding where to attend college.
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I will pull a Lefty on you..



NICE!
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Gotta love the liberal wackos in CA trying to impose political correctness!

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Gotta love the liberal wackos in CA trying to impose political correctness!




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Boycott the SEC?
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http://ijr.com/the-declaration/2017/06/905863-tennessee-legislature-responds-californias-travel-ban-stinging-official-fashion/


A RESOLUTION relative to state travel bans.

WHEREAS, California has passed legislation banning state-sponsored travel to Tennessee and certain other states; and

WHEREAS, the ban stens from legislation enacted by Tennessee that allows counselors to refer patients to other counselors who can better meet their goals, which California State Legislator has judged to be morally reprehensible; and

WHEREAS, California’s attempt to influence public policy in our state is akin to Tennessee expressing its disapproval of California’s exorbitant taxes, spiraling budget deficits, runaway social welfare programs, and rampant illegal immigration; and

WHEREAS, Tennessee is pleasantly surprised that California will not be sending its economic development teams to Tennessee to recruit our businesses, but we can still send our teams to recruit their businesses; and

WHEREAS, Tennessee is puzzled why California thinks it is a good idea to prohibit its state colleges and universities from participating in athletic competition in Tennessee (March Madness comes to Memphis this year via the South Regional), Kansas, Mississippi, and North Carolina; and

WHEREAS, this type of ban, the result of legitimate disagreements about government policy, is neither persuasive nor productive for either party and will lead to economic warfare among the states, as one sovereign entity attempts to tell an equally sovereign entity how to conduct its affairs by restricting travel thereto; and

WHEREAS, the United States Constitution provides for a strong federal government for the common defense, but the Tenth Amendment grants the several states sovereignty in addressing issues solely within their jurisdiction, and all states should respect this most basic precept of American government; and

WHEREAS, is states such as California persist in banning travel to certain other states as a punitive action for disagreeing with the policy of those states, the stated affected be these travel bans may be forced to take reciprocal action; now, therefore

BE IT RESOLVED BY THE SENATE OF THE ONE HUNDRED TENTH GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF THE STATE OF TENNESSEE, THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES CONCURRING, the we urge and encourage the Governor, the Speaker of the Senate, and the Speaker of the House of Representatives to communicate with fellow governors and legislative leaders and urge these state officials to refrain from imposing moral judgement on their sister states as California has done in order to prevent escalating foolishness.

BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that a certified copy of this resolution be transmitted to the National Conference of State Legislators the Council of State Governments, and the American Legislative Exchange Council and that a certified copy of this resolution be sent electronically to each member of each state legislative body in the nation, so they may also consider taking action against this type of blackmail.


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No Jack Daniel's for California
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Them's Fightin Words.
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So how will this affect softball schedules next year?  According to this state funded schools cannot travel to several states.  Keep in mind U of Cal played in the Auburn regional last year.  What if they get put in the Kentucky regional? Or Tennessee? Or Alabama next year?  Do they not go, or find a loophole, like they did for the Fresno State football team going to Alabama (loophole was if it was scheduled before 1/1/17)?  Or nudge the NCAA to assign them to a regional, and then a potential super regional that would not put them in one of these states?  This PC stuff is getting out of hand...


http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/06/23/californias-travel-ban-how-does-it-affect-college-sports/


https://www.outkickthecoverage.com/california-law-banning-state-travel-sets-dangerous-sports-precedent/




There are still several ways around the stupidity of the California AG.  First, all this actually bans is the State of California reimbursing for the travel.  So if boosters or separately (from the state) funded Athletic Departments fund the travel, no issue.   If the AG tries to ban the employees (coaches, staff) from the travel, then we have another issue and of course, teams won't play the games.  Auburn has Cal scheduled for a home and home and that's not in jeopardy at this point unless the staff/coaches get stupidly impacted by this decision.   It's this type of politics that has everyone so polarized.  Government isn't doing anything to help anyone with a lot of this, just making sure they get media attention, power and money.   Stopping faith based adoption agencies that are not for profit from placing kids is about as stupid as it gets.  I get the bathroom law stuff, going after business that discriminate etc.  I don't get someone trying to tell me religious beliefs cannot be exercised (even though that's often just an excuse to discriminate).

And for NCAA paid for travel such as the softball and basketball tournaments, I think they can travel if the NCAA is paying for it, again, just cannot expect reimbursement from the State of CA for the travel.


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Curious that anyone thinks this is an issue.  Some states have incurred problems by passing rather archaic laws that have already resulted in the loss of conventions, awards, and other opportunities to host national events.   The courts have made it clear that these attempts are unconstitutional, and television contracts and all-star games have been withheld due to attempts to limit the availability of rights.  Once this began to happen, some states couldn't work quickly enough to overcome the stupidity of their legislators and governors, thereby losing conventions and all-star games.  Some actually reversed the laws almost immediately when they saw that it was they who would pay the price.  Now, Texas is fighting to keep an all-star game and super bowl bid which was almost certainly destroyed by the enactment of such a law.

This isn't even a legitimate battle.  It was lost on the first blow when North Carolina pulled it and lost conventions and an all-star game.  Arizona tried it and lost something.

California's law simply says what baseball, basketball, and football unions have said, as well as their respective leagues, as well as the conventions of hundreds of occupations---you can't pass your silly, archaic laws and continue to operate.  We won't play the games there.  The state is simply saying it won't fund participation --- when professional organizations have said they wouldn't do it either.  California's law is now on the same page with the corporate heads of thousands of corporations that hold convention and the leagues and their unions of professional sports.
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Cool. But who is really punished by the California schools boycotting games in those states? It's pointless. The teams in those states and the teams from California will just change who they play. The games won't be cancelled or forfeited. The only losers are the players who might not get to play in certain locations or against certain opponents.

I don't believe The state of Tennessee is going to change their laws because hypothetically UCSB won't play Memphis in basketball.

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So. Right now, Tennessee would not be hosting any conventions, and no major sports league or its unions would hold an event or all-star game there.  But, they are counting on being able to use the same bill to discriminate in college sports because the NCAA won't do what the corporate conventioners or the professional sports entities will do, e.g.,  withdraw events.  And, how long do you expect that to last.

A good point is made above.  Try that for race, and you will be overruled by federal law.  You will be for this as well, but it always seems to take a specific court decision to say you can's discriminate against----well, whatever it is this time---either.   Then, another.  Bigotry yields slowly.
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I say we just let California secede from the union. 
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I say we just let California secede from the union. 


Wouldn't that cause Janie to be a political refugee?
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The union ... or the confederacy?
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Isn't there  a state of Jefferson already in the works?
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