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Fresh

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That's what I hear. Good news since this might encourage umpires to call it more often. The rules that have not been enforced may now be in play. 
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Have always felt the penalty was too severe. Charge a ball and move on
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I have heard that illegal-pitch penalty has been reduced to a mere ball, with no base advancement.

Anyone else hearing this?


For what it's worth, in Duke's inaugural scrimmage game against NC State on Sept 30th, one of their Freshman pitchers was called 3 times for illegal pitch and penalty was a Ball awarded to batter. Maybe foreshadowing...
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For what it's worth, in Duke's inaugural scrimmage game against NC State on Sept 30th, one of their Freshman pitchers was called 3 times for illegal pitch and penalty was a Ball awarded to batter. Maybe foreshadowing...


Was there a runner on base at the time?
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Yes, bases loaded at the time of the illegal pitches which were all on the same batter.
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Good.
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I think this will force pitching coaches to take a more literal approach to observing the rules, but marginal instances like Barnhill will be easily remedied. Most of the infractions are just lazy habit, not a real game changing push of the envelope. We'll soon find out if the umpires are told to tighten up on illegal deliveries. The lane violations from screwballs is another story. The advantage of increasing that angle the ball enters the strike zone is huge. Going to be interesting how this really affects the nature of pitching.
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I think this will force pitching coaches to take a more literal approach to observing the rules, but marginal instances like Barnhill will be easily remedied. Most of the infractions are just lazy habit, not a real game changing push of the envelope. We'll soon find out if the umpires are told to tighten up on illegal deliveries. The lane violations from screwballs is another story. The advantage of increasing that angle the ball enters the strike zone is huge. Going to be interesting how this really affects the nature of pitching.


Let's start by removing your word "marginal" in describing Barnhill and replace with either "blatant or egregious". Since her mechanics are almost 100% responsible for the need to address why current rules aren't being enforced, seems only appropriate don't ya think? 
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Or she could just follow the rules. I blame it on her coaches in the past
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If illegal pitchers are to be called this upcoming season I hope it's all throughout the year and not just post season.
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Let's start by removing your word "marginal" in describing Barnhill and replace with either "blatant or egregious". Since her mechanics are almost 100% responsible for the need to address why current rules aren't being enforced, seems only appropriate don't ya think? 


Yes watching the very noticeable replant that they allow Barnhill and some other pitchers to get away with confuses me on why they are not calling it. I believe you will start to see a large number of young pitchers start to replant as they look up to Barnhill and try and emulate her pitching style/motion. Once a pitcher learns to replant it is difficult to go back to the proper push and drag. As a pitching coach and knowing what a huge advantage it is do I teach future pitchers to replant hoping the umps continue not calling it or do I teach the legal push and drag ??? Is the future of pitching going to allow the replant ??? Will they change the rule on this to say just keep your drag foot in contact with the ground through the entire pitching motion taking away the hop but allow the replant which in my opinion is worse.

I really hope they call the rule the way it should be called and do so soon before it becomes a real problem. I know it comes down to umpire interpretation but it is easy to see when a pitcher drags out and replants on the ball of her foot to get that extra push/restart at the end of the motion.

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<< If illegal pitchers are to be called this upcoming season I hope it's all throughout the year and not just post season. >> (softballjunkie223)

That would be the best case scenario... 
but I find it hard to believe that the SEC will be calling them.
I hope they do - but it is pretty hard to imagine they will after what went on last season.
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Even with the now-reasonable penalty, calling someone illegal with the proper frequency this year who wasn't called last year is just as damning for the umpiring of last year, and the people in charge of it.

Now, I DID hear that there is a new umpiring supervisor in the SEC, but that is just something I heard. Perhaps someone knows if that is true, or not.

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Even with the now-reasonable penalty, calling someone illegal with the proper frequency this year who wasn't called last year is just as damning for the umpiring of last year, and the people in charge of it.

Now, I DID hear that there is a new umpiring supervisor in the SEC, but that is just something I heard. Perhaps someone knows if that is true, or not.



You did hear correct about the umpire coordinator in the SEC.   Lurline Hamilton has retired and the new coordinator is Christy Cornwell who has done all levels of college ball, several post-season appearances and WCWS and even international level play. 
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<< If illegal pitchers are to be called this upcoming season I hope it's all throughout the year and not just post season. >> (softballjunkie223)

That would be the best case scenario... 
but I find it hard to believe that the SEC will be calling them.
I hope they do - but it is pretty hard to imagine they will after what went on last season.
Really, illegal pitches need to be called way before college level. Really probably 9u level
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You did hear correct about the umpire coordinator in the SEC.   Lurline Hamilton has retired and the new coordinator is Christy Cornwell who has done all levels of college ball, several post-season appearances and WCWS and even international level play. 
The P5 coach I spoke with about this called her a 'rules-adherent bada*s'
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