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seataz

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I feel the Ncaa should setup a system for educating international softball players who want to come play here. Most Leave it way too late for programs to look at them cause they have no idea how it works. We are losing out on great players because of this.
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Maybe we can give more scholarships and roster spots to foreign players and leave US players outside looking in. Sounds great. 
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Maybe we can give more scholarships and roster spots to foreign players and leave US players outside looking in. Sounds great. 
PLEASE!!! You fear competition that much? If American players are that good they will get those roster spots. All I am saying as a very big fan of our sport I want the best playing it at every level. Bring in international players only improves the sport at every level and I want that. 
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PLEASE!!! You fear competition that much? If American players are that good they will get those roster spots. All I am saying as a very big fan of our sport I want the best playing it at every level. Bring in international players only improves the sport at every level and I want that. 


If those Intl players are that good, they will make their way over!
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PLEASE!!! You fear competition that much? If American players are that good they will get those roster spots. All I am saying as a very big fan of our sport I want the best playing it at every level. Bring in international players only improves the sport at every level and I want that. 

How big of a fan are you? Do you have a child playing the sport?
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How big of a fan are you? Do you have a child playing the sport?
No child playing but I have three older sister who all play . I am the baby brother who they took to every game . Yes a lot of very good international players make it here but a lot more would come if they knew how the process worked. Gabbie Plain started very late just a bunch of lucky breaks and her being very persistent got her to Montlake. It should not be that way good u14 should learn about the process and u16 should be in the process with some help from Ncaa.
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No child playing but I have three older sister who all play . I am the baby brother who they took to every game . Yes a lot of very good international players make it here but a lot more would come if they knew how the process worked. Gabbie Plain started very late just a bunch of lucky breaks and her being very persistent got her to Montlake. It should not be that way good u14 should learn about the process and u16 should be in the process with some help from Ncaa.


The ncaa will never step in and educate these potential student athletes. They don’t really provide any education in the process for girls in the US. It’s not the ncaa responsibility to educate them, it’s the responsibility of coaches at all levels, college included. The ncaa is nothing more than an administrator of rules and has plenty of problems in softball and other sports to worry about right now.
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To keep softball in the Olympics and perhaps to help make pro softball something durable in the US, they should think about this. Foreign golfers seem to get into the US college system regularly but they come over for the amateur and feeder tournaments that feed into the pros.

Yeah, ncaa is never going to care about this. They don't care about US kids, as was posted. Too busy being mindless bureaucrats. Individual schools could do some things as well, you know. All about contacts and communication and leaving it up to the US softball coaches of teenage kids, well that surely has not worked. Mostly, families have to be the proactive ones.
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Getting international kids into colleges won’t keep softball in the Olympics. Perhaps keeping American kids out of international teams might help?

It’s an idea but I don’t think it will ever happen. There are so many talented American players they don’t need to go outside. Individual colleges might though.
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Getting international kids into colleges won’t keep softball in the Olympics. Perhaps keeping American kids out of international teams might help?

It’s an idea but I don’t think it will ever happen. There are so many talented American players they don’t need to go outside. Individual colleges might though.


Accurate and about as simple as it can be explained. 

Every Pre-College Player outside the US knows where the best opportunities are to play and get an education. The NCAA doesn't have to advertise or embark on some huge Outreach Program to inform the International Public. Unless of course they make it financially advantageous.

Unless a Player wants to attend a Duke, Stanford etc...and parents have the financial means, what Middle Infielder/Utility could afford to come play for minimal Scholarship money? 

Good Post.
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Getting international kids into colleges won’t keep softball in the Olympics. Perhaps keeping American kids out of international teams might help?

It’s an idea but I don’t think it will ever happen. There are so many talented American players they don’t need to go outside. Individual colleges might though.
Still having international players regularly play with  talented American players improves the sport. Like basketball in time we will get to a point where they are more strong teams in the world that will help keep the sport in the Olympics.
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Saying US does not need the players is an argument for something else, but not this case. Foreign golfers come here by the droves and then go home and play in their home countries, and the sport grows. Many foreign basketball players do the same. I think it's great for all sports, like seataz posted, and we need to stop caring about it from the college coach perspective, many of whom want to be their own form of Bobby Knight....and start doing the right things to grow the sport.
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Saying US does not need the players is an argument for something else, but not this case. Foreign golfers come here by the droves and then go home and play in their home countries, and the sport grows. Many foreign basketball players do the same. I think it's great for all sports, like seataz posted, and we need to stop caring about it from the college coach perspective, many of whom want to be their own form of Bobby Knight....and start doing the right things to grow the sport.


You're comparing Apples to Oranges. 

Golf, there have been numerous Mini Tours available to the aspiring Golfer here in the States for years. Overseas, you have the Asian, Euro, Scandanavian etc...Tours around for a very long time. The BEST Players play the PGA Tour but, the opportunity for the very good "average" Pro Golfer to make a significant living exists overseas in a big way. 

Basketball provides the same opportunities. 

Softball...there is no financially viable endgame so, until some Entity can provide a platform by which the current Game will attract the Fiscal support whereas players can make a living by being a Pro, the Sport will continue to run in place...so to speak. Besides, Fastpitch in this Country at the Amateur level has always been the dominant place to play anyway. After that, seems the current consensus is not enough people(Sponsors, ticket buyers) have been willing to support the Pro Game.

The monies pouring into the Sport has been overwhelming so, what would be a few examples of Coaches "doing the right things to grow the Sport" be?  
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Uh, above, I mentioned why golfers come here...but my point is the same. To grow the sport, top foreign athletes should be encouraged to come here. Plenty of schools with softball here. Gotta start somewhere.

On a related note, there used to be amateur adult fastpitch in a big way in the US, beyond college, people playing into their forties. That's gone kaput, while it seems to remain alive in other parts of the world. That would also help support pro fastpitch, as some of the small (albeit college-age) baseball leagues in my area started off free for fans, and then started selling tickets once the crowds came.
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Uh, above, I mentioned why golfers come here...but my point is the same. To grow the sport, top foreign athletes should be encouraged to come here. Plenty of schools with softball here. Gotta start somewhere.

On a related note, there used to be amateur adult fastpitch in a big way in the US, beyond college, people playing into their forties. That's gone kaput, while it seems to remain alive in other parts of the world. That would also help support pro fastpitch, as some of the small (albeit college-age) baseball leagues in my area started off free for fans, and then started selling tickets once the crowds came.


The fact that Americans stop playing softball at 18/22 is so sad to me. I’m in my late 30s and play a full season every year. I’m off to masters comps from next year. It’s not something people turn up and watch (other than partners/friends) but I love it
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You're comparing Apples to Oranges. 

Golf, there have been numerous Mini Tours available to the aspiring Golfer here in the States for years. Overseas, you have the Asian, Euro, Scandanavian etc...Tours around for a very long time. The BEST Players play the PGA Tour but, the opportunity for the very good "average" Pro Golfer to make a significant living exists overseas in a big way. 

Basketball provides the same opportunities. 

Softball...there is no financially viable endgame so, until some Entity can provide a platform by which the current Game will attract the Fiscal support whereas players can make a living by being a Pro, the Sport will continue to run in place...so to speak. Besides, Fastpitch in this Country at the Amateur level has always been the dominant place to play anyway. After that, seems the current consensus is not enough people(Sponsors, ticket buyers) have been willing to support the Pro Game.

The monies pouring into the Sport has been overwhelming so, what would be a few examples of Coaches "doing the right things to grow the Sport" be?  
  I agree but still the option must be made available early. The reason I want the NCAA to handle it is coaches or conferences create their own little thief dome pick who they want and not pass info to schools at all levels.  
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But what’s wrong with that?

Certain college teams for grid iron have started scoping out AFL junior players here because they’re fantastic kickers.

What’s wrogg BBG with coaches/conferences putting the effort in and getting the rewards for it?
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But what’s wrong with that?

Certain college teams for grid iron have started scoping out AFL junior players here because they’re fantastic kickers.

What’s wrogg BBG with coaches/conferences putting the effort in and getting the rewards for it?
I agree put in the effort get the rewards. Your example of AFL kickers you have equivalent of AAU passing info to programs about kickers and punters, so college   do have options to go after them. Softball has nothing. Listening to Gabbie's interviews she knew nothing about the process if she did not push that hard we would have missed out on a great player. I am not saying NCAA do all the recruiting of players I just want them to provide info on the recruiting i.e when to start what info coaches want the rest is up to programs and the kids if the want it bad. 
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The info is avaliable here. I know girls who’ve gone over and played in college. Dating back to the start of the decade. There are info nights from companies and we have a lot more girls going over now.

If you read what Gabbie talks about she didn’t realise how EARLY she had to start. She was looking at it in year 12 from previous interviews. (Senior year) That’s usually too late for top level programs.
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The info is avaliable here. I know girls who’ve gone over and played in college. Dating back to the start of the decade. There are info nights from companies and we have a lot more girls going over now.

If you read what Gabbie talks about she didn’t realise how EARLY she had to start. She was looking at it in year 12 from previous interviews. (Senior year) That’s usually too late for top level programs.
That is what I am talking about informing the young ladies how early they should start and in some ways away to be able to judge how well they can play.
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That is what I am talking about informing the young ladies how early they should start and in some ways away to be able to judge how well they can play.


That is not the ncaa’s responsibility to grow sports. I’ll say it again, the ncaa is a rules enforcement agency, nothing more nothing less. Their role is to oversee compete as it exists in an already existing forum. To say they need to grow something is not their role or responsibility. You can not like or disagree but it is what it is. It is coaches that must grow the sport you want.
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That is not the ncaa’s responsibility to grow sports. I’ll say it again, the ncaa is a rules enforcement agency, nothing more nothing less. Their role is to oversee compete as it exists in an already existing forum. To say they need to grow something is not their role or responsibility. You can not like or disagree but it is what it is. It is coaches that must grow the sport you want.
If not them then who?
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If not them then who?


The WSBC for one. The colleges. The National orginisation.
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The WSBC for one. The colleges. The National orginisation.
NCAA is the colleges
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NCAA is the colleges


No they’re not. They oversee the competition but they don’t actually promote the sport.
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No they’re not. They oversee the competition but they don’t actually promote the sport.
Any sport that is sanctioned by the NCAA they promote . They might spend more money on the revenue sports but they do promote more than just football and basketball. Think of the NCAA as Australian Olympic committee they promote all sports some a little more than others.
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Any sport that is sanctioned by the NCAA they promote . They might spend more money on the revenue sports but they do promote more than just football and basketball. Think of the NCAA as Australian Olympic committee they promote all sports some a little more than others.


The AOC doesn’t promote each individual sports in other countries. They only promote sports Australians are in and for the sports in Olympics. They don’t celebrate say AFL, netball or cricket.

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If not them then who?


That’s why I gave you the coaches as the one to be responsible for doing it

Think about it-the ncaa is like every state athletic association. Their role is to set bylaws and enforce those to the membership. Their role is not to promote individual members increasing their individual numbers, that is up to the member institutions should they chose to do so. If they were to start getting involved it would create a conflict of interest among the member institutions.
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Any sport that is sanctioned by the NCAA they promote . They might spend more money on the revenue sports but they do promote more than just football and basketball. Think of the NCAA as Australian Olympic committee they promote all sports some a little more than others.


They promote sport not recruitment
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They promote sport not recruitment
Part of promoting is growing a better product. I am not saying the AOC promotes sports in other countries I am using them in terms of a central organization that promotes sports. They promote sports unequally  you might agree. I am asking about a neutral party that just gives out basic information and coaches can take over after that.
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