Ultimate College Softball
Register Calendar Latest Topics
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment  
Nfwego

Registered:
Posts: 3
Reply with quote  #1 
For those talking “trash” or saying a coach isn’t good because they don’t win a WCWS, you need to realize only ten schools and eleven coaches (same school with different coaches is a legacy school-UCLA-with the most overall in history) have won it all in the past 20 years. It’s hard to win it all and there are numerous factors involved. Just sayin, you can’t judge how good a coach is by winning or not winning it all, there are 200+ cruddy coaches and only 10 good ones in that case. But then again, you people think the guy who only won EIGHT (second most school in history and probably most per person) isn’t that good anymore so whatever.

*In reference to Mike White “only” getting there a few times in recent years as well as others who get there and don’t win. Have some respect for goodness sake.
CoachZ

Registered:
Posts: 757
Reply with quote  #2 
And if you went back another 10-15 years, your point would likely be proved moreover. I bet that number of 11 wouldn’t change much if you added 10 or more years.
Fiftytwosdad

Registered:
Posts: 21
Reply with quote  #3 
Don't confuse me with your facts!

Oatmealsmoke

Registered:
Posts: 48
Reply with quote  #4 
But but but ... Mike White is a WCWS failure!

But but but ... "deer in the headlights!"

Unfortunately, you just can't talk the stupid out of people.
Scupino

Registered:
Posts: 397
Reply with quote  #5 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oatmealsmoke
But but but ... Mike White is a WCWS failure!

But but but ... "deer in the headlights!"

Unfortunately, you just can't talk the stupid out of people.


But but but the Kiwi is an A$$!
3leftturns

Registered:
Posts: 15,856
Reply with quote  #6 
Not quite a Meat Loaf song
Oger

Registered:
Posts: 73
Reply with quote  #7 
Mike White will do far more with the Texas program than he ever did with the Oregon program and he was highly successful there. He's a no nonsense coach and very good recruiter. That is exactly what Texas needed. As a Sooner fan I was thrilled with this hire.
Scupino

Registered:
Posts: 397
Reply with quote  #8 
To do all that he did in Eugene the Kiwi has to rip the crap out of Oklahoma and it ain't gonna happen. [nono]
The Kiwi will lose his pants to Gasso! [thumb]
How does that grab you Southie?
3leftturns

Registered:
Posts: 15,856
Reply with quote  #9 
White is 2-2 career against Oklahoma, eliminating them from the World Series in 2014
3leftturns

Registered:
Posts: 15,856
Reply with quote  #10 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Oger
Mike White will do far more with the Texas program than he ever did with the Oregon program and he was highly successful there. He's a no nonsense coach and very good recruiter. That is exactly what Texas needed. As a Sooner fan I was thrilled with this hire.
He knows how to ID  pitchers who can evolve into All-Americans. A pure virtuoso. And that is probably 3/4 of the game

He will need a Jimmy K guy to help with the rest
scrybe

Registered:
Posts: 1,277
Reply with quote  #11 
Gasso and White are both program builders. White is a great recruiter and knows how to develop pitchers. Of course Patty is unsurpassed as a recruiter and has the best pitching coach in the country on her staff.

White will have some success against Oklahoma, no doubt. But he'll have a hard time supplanting Patty's program as the Big 12's best. No doubt, the Longhorns and Sooners will wage some epic battles after White's had a year or two to build his program.
RahOKU

Registered:
Posts: 1,720
Reply with quote  #12 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrybe
Gasso and White are both program builders. White is a great recruiter and knows how to develop pitchers. Of course Patty is unsurpassed as a recruiter and has the best pitching coach in the country on her staff.

White will have some success against Oklahoma, no doubt. But he'll have a hard time supplanting Patty's program as the Big 12's best. No doubt, the Longhorns and Sooners will wage some epic battles after White's had a year or two to build his program.


Which will make OU better, and better prepared for post season.

__________________
"We Americans have good teeth and don't eat spotted dick." -- Columnist Kurt Schlichter
3leftturns

Registered:
Posts: 15,856
Reply with quote  #13 
Agree with all of that
scrybe

Registered:
Posts: 1,277
Reply with quote  #14 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RahOKU


Which will make OU better, and better prepared for post season.


I certainly don't disagree, Rah. But just to be sure we're on the same page, I think you'd agree that "prepared" could quite possibly be found in the dictionary next to a photo of Patty Gasso.

Perhaps the term "more battle tested" would be be a better fit.
RahOKU

Registered:
Posts: 1,720
Reply with quote  #15 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrybe


I certainly don't disagree, Rah. But just to be sure we're on the same page, I think you'd agree that "prepared" could quite possibly be found in the dictionary next to a photo of Patty Gasso.

Perhaps the term "more battle tested" would be be a better fit.


Yup. Agree 100%.

__________________
"We Americans have good teeth and don't eat spotted dick." -- Columnist Kurt Schlichter
Wiseone234

Registered:
Posts: 9
Reply with quote  #16 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RahOKU


Which will make OU better, and better prepared for post season.

You talk like Baylor and Ok state are doormats. They may not beat OU often but they give them a run every year.
spazsdad

Registered:
Posts: 6,924
Reply with quote  #17 
That’s funny right there.
__________________
#SCOTUS x two


bluedog

Registered:
Posts: 10,842
Reply with quote  #18 
No they don't........
smcouvillion

Registered:
Posts: 443
Reply with quote  #19 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiseone234

You talk like Baylor and Ok state are doormats. They may not beat OU often but they give them a run every year.


Oklahoma State and Baylor combined to go 0-6 vs. Oklahoma this last year and lost by a combined score of 36-3.

Last year they went a combined 1-5 against OU. They lost by a combined score of 22-8.

The year before they went 0-6. They lost by a combined score of 39-8.

So, over the past 3 years Baylor and Oklahoma State have gone a combined 1-17 against Oklahoma and have lost by a combined score of 97-19.

Definitely looks like Baylor and Oklahoma State give OU a run for their money each year!!

The only team in the Big 12 that gave OU a run for their money this year was... Texas.
SECFan04

Registered:
Posts: 452
Reply with quote  #20 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wiseone234

You talk like Baylor and Ok state are doormats. They may not beat OU often but they give them a run every year.



We must be living in different realities.... 
scrybe

Registered:
Posts: 1,277
Reply with quote  #21 
The only team in the Big 12 that gave OU a run for their money this year was... Texas.[/QUOTE

Er, ah ....
smcouvillion

Registered:
Posts: 443
Reply with quote  #22 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrybe
The only team in the Big 12 that gave OU a run for their money this year was... Texas.[/QUOTE

Er, ah ....


lol its the truth. they lost 5-4 in 8 innings and almost beat them this year. no other big 12 team really did that THIS YEAR. past years i wouldn't say it, but overall they were the only team that got close to beating them in the big 12 this year.
Oger

Registered:
Posts: 73
Reply with quote  #23 
Quote:
Originally Posted by scrybe
Gasso and White are both program builders. White is a great recruiter and knows how to develop pitchers. Of course Patty is unsurpassed as a recruiter and has the best pitching coach in the country on her staff.

White will have some success against Oklahoma, no doubt. But he'll have a hard time supplanting Patty's program as the Big 12's best. No doubt, the Longhorns and Sooners will wage some epic battles after White's had a year or two to build his program.

Right on point! White will bring Texas back better than ever. I commend Connie Clark for building that program from nothing but her best years is when she had Cat and Cat would make any coach look good.
34sDad

Registered:
Posts: 151
Reply with quote  #24 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smcouvillion


lol its the truth. they lost 5-4 in 8 innings and almost beat them this year. no other big 12 team really did that THIS YEAR. past years i wouldn't say it, but overall they were the only team that got close to beating them in the big 12 this year.


Not exactly accurate.  ISU was down 7-5 after five innings during the regular season.  In the Big 12 tournament it was 4-4 after 4.  The games were never really in doubt, but we fared better than most other teams against them.  
scrybe

Registered:
Posts: 1,277
Reply with quote  #25 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 34sDad


Not exactly accurate.  ISU was down 7-5 after five innings during the regular season.  In the Big 12 tournament it was 4-4 after 4.  The games were never really in doubt, but we fared better than most other teams against them.  


Yep, you're right, Dad. In my opinion, the Cyclones were a more dangerous team than the Horns last season.
HenryLouisAaron

Registered:
Posts: 1,893
Reply with quote  #26 
<< For those talking “trash” or saying a coach isn’t good because they don’t win a WCWS, you need to realize only ten schools and eleven coaches (same school with different coaches is a legacy school-UCLA-with the most overall in history) have won it all in the past 20 years. It’s hard to win it all and there are numerous factors involved. Just sayin, you can’t judge how good a coach is by winning or not winning it all, there are 200+ cruddy coaches and only 10 good ones in that case. But then again, you people think the guy who only won EIGHT (second most school in history and probably most per person) isn’t that good anymore so whatever.

*In reference to Mike White “only” getting there a few times in recent years as well as others who get there and don’t win. Have some respect for goodness sake. >> (Nfwego)


<< And if you went back another 10-15 years, your point would likely be proved moreover. I bet that number of 11 wouldn’t change much if you added 10 or more years. >> (CoachZ)


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


In the entire history of the NCAA softball national championship (it began in 1982), only 13 schools have won it. That's 37 titles from 1982 through 2018.
1. UCLA 12 (11 if we take away the 1995 title)
2. Arizona 8 (9 if we give them the 1995 title - after UCLA had it stripped)
3. Oklahoma 4
4. Florida 2
5. Arizona State 2
6. Texas A&M 2

7. Florida State 1
8. Alabama 1
9. Washington 1
10. Michigan 1
11. California 1
12. Fresno State 1
13. Cal State Fullerton 1

-------------------------------------------------------------

Three different teams won the title in the first five seasons (UCLA, Texas A&M and Cal State Fullerton), 1982-87.
Then just 5 new teams won it over the next 20 seasons (Arizona, Fresno State, Oklahoma, California and Michigan), 1988-2007.
There had been just eight different teams win the title through the first 25 years, 1982-2007.

In the last eleven seasons (2008-2018) five more new teams have won the title: Arizona State, Washington, Alabama, Florida and Florida State.

So... there have been just 13 different teams win it all - over 37 seasons. It is a very small club.
But it has been getting bigger - faster, in these last 11 years.
HenryLouisAaron

Registered:
Posts: 1,893
Reply with quote  #27 
<< You talk like Baylor and Ok state are doormats. They may not beat OU often but they give them a run every year. >> (Wiseone234)


You are correct, Wiseone234.
Baylor did "give them a run" in 2018. In fact, they gave Oklahoma 2 unearned runs in their three games.
And Oklahoma State did "give them a run" as well. They also gave Oklahoma 2 unearned runs in their 3 games.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Just joking, having some fun with that phrase ("give them a run"). 
But you are actually right. Both Baylor and Oklahoma State did give Oklahoma a battle in 2018.
Oklahoma was 21-0 vs. conference opponents in 2018... and only had three close games (within two runs).

Oklahoma State lost to Oklahoma 3-2. It was 3-2 after 3 innings - and they shutout the Sooners over the last 4 innings.
That was a very tough battle - and they absolutely gave them a run for their money that day.

Baylor lost to Oklahoma 6-4 in the conference tournament championship game. 
Oklahoma held just a slim 5-4 lead in the 6th inning. Another very tough battle. 

The only other close game vs. a conference opponent, in 2018, was a 5-4 win over Texas. Texas was ahead 2-0 after one inning. They held a 2-1 lead through 5 innings. It was 3-3 after the 7th - and it went into extra innings. Texas took a 4-3 lead in the top of the 8th... but Alo hit a lead off HR to tie it up in the bottom of the 8th. Then, with two outs, Wodach singled in Pendley to win the game. 

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

In 2017 Oklahoma was 21-1 vs. conference opponents - and had 7 close games (within two runs).
They had two close games vs. Baylor. 
Baylor gave Oklahoma their only conference loss in 2017 with a 4-3 score. 
And they also lost a game 2-3 in 10 innings.

They had two close games vs. Oklahoma State in 2017.
The Sooners won one game 1-0... and they also got a scare in the conference tournament title game with a 2-0 score. 
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.