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mikec

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By the way, if you care even one iota about the homeless problem, then you, by definition, care deeply about the opioid problem.  They are one and the same.


Maybe in Seattle
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"Immediately should issue new prescription guidelines on opiods, something Trump just did.  Trump released 2 months ago super tough, probably too tough, prescription guidelines."

Can you link any article describing new guidelines?  Can't find any such action by President Trump.  I do know a panel submitted a report on the drug crisis but can't find any steps taken by this Administration. 


You will be hard pressed to find any coverage of the multitude of things Trump has done over the past year. The media won’t dare cover good news about the President.
The left harps with “Trump hasn’t accomplished anything “ . No you just have no idea because your biased news providers don’t tell you about it.
I heard a rather lengthy list on the radio today of all the changes Trump has implemented. Quite impressive. Many I didn’t know about myself.

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Spazsdad, dewy says don't read the internet and then wonders why he's behind in his news
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Did you hear about the kid who binge smoked himself to death?

Me either.
uwApoligist

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https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/president-donald-j-trump-taking-action-drug-addiction-opioid-crisis/

  • The Food and Drug Administration is imposing new requirements on the manufacturers of prescription opioids to help reverse the overprescribing that has fueled the crisis.
  • The Department of Justice’s Opioid Fraud and Abuse Detection Unit is targeting individuals that are contributing to the prescription opioid epidemic, has netted the largest-ever health care fraud takedown, secured the first-ever indictments against Chinese fentanyl manufacturers, and seized AlphaBay, the largest criminal marketplace on the Internet and a major source of fentanyl and heroin
The DOJ's team on Opiod fraud made a huge push from the middle of summer to the end.  Many doctors were visited and put on notice.  The doctors that are sourcing these drugs is easy to see because CDC is now collected every prescription in detail.  So they can run a simple query, and find all the top subscribers of Opiods.  Those that are so far out of the norm were given a visited, noted that they were likely outside the law in their behavior and they better immediately clean things up or face jail time.

These doctors often advertise as holistic or complete pain management clinics.  Once you know the terms to listen for you will realize the ads on your local radio and TV that are actually keying people that they can go to these doctors for powerful opioids. 

Fentanyl is probably one of the worst drug epidemics our country has ever seen.  

Dealers actually really hate Fentanyl as it kills people.  When one of their addicts die, they lose a customer and the cops start coming around asking  a lot of questions.   Both bad for dealers normal goals in life.  But Herion addicts get so strongly addicted to the high that Fentanyl gives them that they will ban together and force dealers to provide Fentanyl laced Herion.   As a group that have to put someone forward to be the first, and they get it wrong it will kill that person.  Many vie to be that person, as you get free hit, and they want to make sure the dealer is given the right amount of Fentanyl. 

Death rates are through the roof vs crack.  Very nasty stuff.  

BTW: a lot of this problem started before Obama.  !999 or so government declared pain a 5th vital sign.  Meaning medical professionals had to directly treat pain, like they would treat blood pressure, heart rate, etc.  At that same time big pharma was introducing synthetic herion (like fentanyl) which they in turn marketed as not addictive.  Turns out synthetic opioids are actually way more addictive than natural substances.  Much of this played out under Obama and he did not really take the problem on.  

http://www.babwnews.com/2018/01/huge-painkiller-development-sends-shockwaves-through-united-states/

the new guidelines advise physicians that they must consider and measure the patients tendency towards addiction and forces them to weigh the likelihood of addition created death vs the management of pain.  It mandates they review a patients past usage of opioids a part of their treatment.  Too me all really smart stuff.

https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/pdf/guidelines_at-a-glance-a.pdf

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uwApoligist

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Maybe in Seattle

It is everywhere.  San Francisco, LA, Chicago, St. Louis I have seen with my own eyes.  A lot of the spike in homeless over the last 5-10 year can be directly tracked to opioids.  The opioid overdose deaths follow right along.

https://www.wabe.org/georgia-opioid-addicts/


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Did you hear about the kid who binge smoked himself to death?

Me either.

Well of course not. He OD on heroin

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In other words, you support abortion, gay marriage, and pot legalization.


Welcome to the new Republican Party.
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Nah, President Trump is against all three........
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BTW: A lot of people are predicting Sessions actions will ultimately result in marijuana getting legalized.
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smoking tobacco never kills anyone either.  you can't binge smoke yourself to death. 

There's no free ride.  It hasn't even caught on yet. 

For all the nonsense talk, no one has yet offered a compelling reason to legalize, other than they just wanna get high.

A study published by the University of Colorado School of Medicine found that, “the proportion of marijuana-positive drivers involved in fatal motor vehicle crashes in Colorado has increased dramatically since the commercialization of medical marijuana in the middle of 2009.”

A 47-year-old Denver man allegedly shot his wife while she spoke with a 911 dispatcher over the phone. According to various reports, the wife called 911 after her husband consumed candy laced with marijuana and began hallucinating and frightening the couple’s children. Some sources indicate the man may have taken prescription drugs with the marijuana. CBS News reports that 12 minutes into the call with 911, the wife “told dispatchers her husband was getting a gun from a safe before a gunshot sounded and the line went quiet.” The marijuana candy had, apparently, been purchased a licensed shop in the Denver area.

Researchers writing in the Journal of the American Heart Association investigated marijuana’s effects on cardiovascular health. They reviewed 1,979 incidents from 2006 to 2011, and found, “there were 22 cardiac complications (20 acute coronary syndromes), 10 peripheral complications (lower limb or juvenile arteriopathies and Buerger‐like diseases), and 3 cerebral complications (acute cerebral angiopathy, transient cortical blindness, and spasm of cerebral artery). In 9 cases, the event led to patient death.” (Emphasis added).

A 19-year-old college student jumped to his death after eating a marijuana-laced cookie purchased at a licensed marijuana store in Colorado. Reports indicate the man began shaking, screaming, and throwing objects in his hotel room after eating the marijuana “edible.” He ultimately jumped over the fourth-floor railing, into the lobby of the hotel at which he was staying. According to CBS News, the autopsy report listed marijuana as a “significant contributing factor” to his death.

A study in the official journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics examined case studies of three otherwise-healthy adolescent boys who were admitted to hospitals due to stroke following heavy marijuana use; two of the boys ultimately died, and the study concluded marijuana may cause stroke and death.
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Mike, these people can talk all they want, but, it really does come down to - they wanna get high..........

LMSS is the only one who admits it - she calls it " her way of relaxing".............

There's no doubt, though, marijuana use is bad news - legal or not.............


Rudy surprised me with his "binge smoking" comment............Do what???

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Rudy surprised me with his "binge smoking" comment............Do what???



He was high at the time.
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Don't like the pot high, much prefer my cerveza. But, in my many years on this earth, I've seen more damage from alcohol than marijuana. Give me the stoner over the drunk any day. We all seek diversion from the daily grind in many forms. I support libertarianism. 
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No longer like the pot high much myself.  

Mike's crazy stories totally do not jive with anyone I have ever known to be a stoner.  Very reefer madness and all. 

A much better angle would be to talk to the number of people that were vibrant, funny, energetic and hard working, until they started smoking pot everyday.  Then they turned in to worthless couch potatoes.  I am not talking about the guys that smoke a little after work, or Friday/Saturday socially.  I am talking about the guys that wake up every day, 8 bong hits and turn on the tube for a day of laying around.  That is my main dislike of pot.



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Wow, I guess we can’t hang out😂😂
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Perhaps we should go find the stories of the guys that went off killed their families and blamed it on religion. 
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Sad but true Udub. Stoners are unproductive and drunks are dangerous. Neither are going away, but one is much more preferable over the other. Neither an ideal choice, kinda like Trump and Hillary...
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I knew sooner or later the "in-moderation" talk would appear..........

So, the good guys don't smoke as much dope as the bad guys...........Anything to warrant a bad decision...........
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Perhaps we should go find the stories of the guys that went off killed their families and blamed it on religion. 


https://nypost.com/2017/10/31/fight-over-bible-verse-on-forgiveness-leaves-student-dead/
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those are the things you liberal libertarians have supported for a long time.  You support all 3.  along with your new buddy enptyheader, and your old buddy gracie.


F you punk.

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F you punk.


why be such an angry elf?

do you not support those things?  vote Dem when the mood suits you, R when it's trump?

Just own it - no shame there.
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Grayce, Mike is right..........You are a liberal libertarian...........

You can get mad, you can deny - but Mike is definitely right..........
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Against it.

Tax revenue should never be a reason to allow something.  Gambling brings in tons of tax revenue, and I've campaigned against that too.

Saw an article yesterday on pregnant mom use of pot skyrocketing in legal states.

There is no way it gets legalized, then all of a sudden, only the same or less people use.

And - what happens 15 years from now.  Pot is legal, and an argument is to made that heroin isn't really that bad for you, and think of the tax revenue.

Currently - it is against federal law.  If states can have "legal" pot, why can't my state adopt no fed income taxes.



I see all the points.  Just not sure of the alcohol/weed argument and which is really worse for you.

Your last line is interesting.  Look at Cali right now.
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Does a substance have to be good for you to be legal? Should we ban any substance that is harmful when used to excess? Should being fat and running up my insurance premiums be legal? Lemon pie is illegal(not good for you), but chicken breast(can be good for you) is fine? 
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Does a substance have to be good for you to be legal? Should we ban any substance that is harmful when used to excess? Should being fat and running up my insurance premiums be legal? Lemon pie is illegal(not good for you), but chicken breast(can be good for you) is fine? 


Ask your fellow Dems in New York who want to regulate your intake of soda.
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Here you go Blue. Documentary on weed.


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We should make it illegal for you to vote, Fresh...........
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Does a substance have to be good for you to be legal? Should we ban any substance that is harmful when used to excess? Should being fat and running up my insurance premiums be legal? Lemon pie is illegal(not good for you), but chicken breast(can be good for you) is fine? 


All legitimate questions.
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