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Lovemesomesoftball

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Funny......probably conjured up by somebody while downing a bag of cheetos for dinner. There is a guy in Florida I believe with part of his faced chewed off who might have a different opinion. Gives a whole new meaning to the term "munchies"
Lovemesomesoftball

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Most medical experts do not believe marijuana triggered the attack. I will for argument add it in the marijuana column...... now it is 1

http://news.discovery.com/human/bath-salts-marijuana-faceeater-120628.html
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I am puzzled as to why so many people wish to live their life in an out of touch with reality way......And, yes, I include alcohol in my puzzlement....
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bluedog - When I'm puzzled, I need a reason.
Lovemesomesoftball

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Different strokes for different folks is my guess Bluedog. Some people enjoy sugar everyday you see them they have either candy, cookies, cake, donut etc.

Others enjoy caffeine.....in the morning, at lunch and even after dinner.

Some like salt and fried foods. While some get their pleasures from overpriced organic foods.

There are others who enjoy the endorphins kicking in after exercising. Some watch t.v. others post on the Internet.
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But, LMSS, you are way too smart to tell me marijuana doesn't alter a person's ability to think and reflex actions...Aren't ya?

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Marijuana is basically legal nowadays, is it not?....Slap on the wrist?....Pretty much the same for DUI if nobody gets killed...
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bluedog no doubt that marijuana alters a persons physical or mental state. So does sugar, so does coffee. I don't even care to smoke a joint when it  is legal...I just don't like how some things get approval and others don't. !5 years ago when I lived in the valley one of my neighbor was a truck driver who hurt his back and received a vicodin prescription from his doctor. The 18 months or so that I lived in that apartment complex this guy was getting Vicodin.

I am no doctor but find it very strange that a person would be on that medication that long. Seems we have legal drug pushers and non legal drug pushers. Is it a matter of our government feeling it can control one and not the other. I did a story on coal miners in West Virginia on Oxy. West Virginia is the Oxy capital of the United States.  Coal mining and selling Oxy are the two main sources of income.

LMUfan if you mean  DUIs will not be tolerated under in circumstance....if you get caught , if you get popped .....daddy can't help you, flashing a nice smile at the officer can't help you, and a stellar record of philanthropy can't help either...you will be punished....I am all for that.
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I'm certainly not an expert on marijuana.....But, if being illegal (sort of, anyway), keeps someone from using it, then, I'll support it being illegal....I'd do the same for alcohol.... 
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Bluedog I really understand and respect your position. I just know that millions of teenagers start smoking marijuana because it is illegal and their way to rebel.

Most kids wouldn't know how to identify marijuana from fertilizer. They wouldn't know if they were smoking something laced with PCP or a virgin plant from some island.  Considering Marijuana is a weed and can grow nearly anywhere on this earth. I doubt we can wipe it off the face of the planet. So it is going to be there and make it 's way to someone.

Take out the criminal element and part of the problem will be solved.  People continued to do stupid things with alcohol after prohibition but removing the criminal element from it stopped blood baths in the streets. Essentially a person can destroy their life with alcohol but once it effects another they need to be held accountable. That can be drunk in public, DUI, domestic argument etc......if you drink and do something stupid you need to go where stupid people hang out and that is jail. Also receive a fine and do community service.
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LMSS I could care less if someone wants to smoke the herb, snort, or shoot heroin, eat ADD meds all day, or slam down a fifth of scotch while doing all the above. As long as they are not slamming a vehicle into me or my families car, let them shoot up heroin at their Grandmothers domino game. Let them get off on "cheesing cat urine", sorry couldn't help myself. I could care less, and would prefer hard core drug users to be able to get that one last fix. Who cares what happens to those that care nothing about themselves, and their families. Shoot up and ride hard my brothers, and sisters, just don't expect me to care for you when you stumble into an ER  with an OD from your latest hot dose of love from your neighborhood dealer. "Cat Urine" rules.
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Woody....why did you have to go there....
  


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I can tell you from dealing with addicts of m.j. and everything else.....its not just what they do while high thats dangerous, but what they'll do while sober to get their next fix.
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I said I going to keep away from controversial topics and here I am again

Crazy888 please don't take offense or think this response is personal.

In a nutshell...I grew up at a time when ABC aired after school specials. These basically were shows that scared pre-teens to death in regards to sex and drugs. I recall this show where this really wholesome girl puffed on a "marijuana cigarette" (that is what everyone on the show called it) and two seconds later she ran through the house screaming and jumped off the second story window.


One of the reason rhetoric against pot isn't taken serious by teens is instead of receiving the truth. Kids receive exaggeration and hyperbole. Crazy888 stated "I can tell you from dealing with addicts of m.j. and everything else.....its not just what they do while high that's dangerous, but what they'll do while sober to get their next fix."

My guess is that some who have opposed my views to make marijuana legal have never smoked a joint in their life. I say this because if they had they wouoldn't resort to the "scare tactics". Seriously for every "addicted m.j." user you say will do anything for the next "fix"I can find a person who smokes cigarettes, drinks coffee, alcohol. who has put their life or other in danger while enjoying their vice, trying to get more of their vice.......ever pull up to a gas station only to have some idiot who needs to get his/her morning nicotine lighting it up in one of the most flammable areas ? How about coffee addictions  and those who literally have to have their cup of coffee. Alcohol....I would say their have been some lives destroyed by alcohol. Like you can find an extreme example of someone who smoked marijuana, I can tell you plenty about people an their vices andwhat they will do.

How about prescription drugs....people become addicted and will lie, steal, fight, kill for their "prescription".  Doctors will continue to feed them the prescription.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/aug/29/local/la-me-overdose-new-20100829

Bluedog asked me if to be honest and admit marijuana effects mental and physical functions. It does as does many legal items. So I call hypocrisy on arguments that are find with some things but not marijuana. Bluedog is consistent he lumps alcohol, drugs, etc. together. IMHO...the buzz one gets off a joint is somewhere between 3-4 cigarettes and 4-5 beers.

If marijuana is illegal...then so should cigarettes and alcohol. I still have not read an argument that uses reason and facts to explain why "no" for marijuana and "yes" for cigarettes and alcohol.

Edit....I put the image in the opening post on my Facebook status.....now my aunt is yelling at me ....I just can't stay out of trouble.


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"Over 11 million people smoked marijuana last month. Many may not have severe marijuana side effects from taking the drug but many people will. Marijuana side effects include physical problems like breathing difficulties and deteriorating physical abilities. Despite a popular belief, marijuana side effects speed up the heart, blood and breathing rate. The body is taxed more and this speeds up the aging process just like methamphetamines do. The marijuana side effects from this extra exertion on the body include a higher risk for lung cancer, heart attacks and strokes.

Marijuana side effects also wreak havoc on the brain when the drug is used habitually. The natural chemical balance of the brain is disrupted affecting the pleasure centers and regulatory systems. The ability to learn, remember and adapt quickly to changes is impaired by marijuana use. Depression often occurs with marijuana usage, which feeds into the cycle of more drug use to treat the pain created by drug use. This cycle of addiction is very powerful and users soon find that they cannot stop using the drug even if they want to."
Just a little excerpt from marijuana-side effects.com. It also mentions how up to 11% of fatal traffic accidents are caused by someone under the influence of marijuana. Oh yeah, the marijuana you smoked back in the 60's or 70's isn't waht they are smoking today.
There is a reason it is listed as a schedule I drug. Alot smarter people than you and i recognize it's dangers.

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Angela,

If teenagers smoke marijuana to rebel, what will they do to rebel if marijuana is legalized?  Could this be an unintended consequence?


Maybe we can make homework illegal
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I will agree with you that alcohol is as dangerous as many drugs, especially its effects on driving. In all my time on patrol, I've never seen a cigarette lead to a fatal accident. I can't imagine why anyone would want to stick something in their mouth that is burning at the other end, but what do i know. I will say that justifying the legalizing of mj because alcohol is legal is a weak arguement. It sounds alot like an 8 year old trying to convince his parents by saying  "but Johnnie's parents let him to do it".
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"Over 11 million people smoked marijuana last month. Many may not have severe marijuana side effects from taking the drug but many people will. Marijuana side effects include physical problems like breathing difficulties and deteriorating physical abilities.  Good thing Cigarettes don't do that .Despite a popular belief, marijuana side effects speed up the heart, blood and breathing rate. So do over the counter diet pills, and energy drinks The body is taxed more and this speeds up the aging process just like methamphetamines do. The same can be said about sugar , processed foods, coffee The marijuana side effects from this extra exertion on the body include a higher risk for lung cancer, heart attacks and strokes.  There seems to be a warning on cigarettes for the same thing and yet it is legal....imagine that......

Marijuana side effects also wreak havoc on the brain when the drug is used habitually. So does alcohol. The natural chemical balance of the brain is disrupted affecting the pleasure centers and regulatory systems. The ability to learn, remember and adapt quickly to changes is impaired by marijuana use. Depression often occurs with marijuana usage, which feeds into the cycle of more drug use to treat the pain created by drug use. This cycle of addiction is very powerful and users soon find that they cannot stop using the drug even if they want to." I can remove the word marijuana from your sentence and replace it with alcohol.
Just a little excerpt from marijuana-side effects.com. It also mentions how up to 11% of fatal traffic accidents are caused by someone under  the influence of marijuana

According to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) 32,885 people died in traffic crashes in 2010 in the United States (latest figures available), including an estimated 10,228 people who died in drunk driving crashes, accounting for 31% of all traffic deaths last year.

Since NHTSA began recording alcohol-related statistics in 1982, drunk driving fatalities have decreased 52% from 21,113 in 1982. Since the inception of The Century Council and our national efforts to fight drunk driving, drunk driving fatalities have declined 35% from 15,827 in 1991. (Source: NHTSA/FARS, 2011

Oh yeah, the marijuana you smoked back in the 60's or 70's isn't waht they are smoking today.

I am no chemist but doubt in 30-40 years some type of structural breakdown in marijuana plants have made it more lethal over the years. Our water is not as clean as it was in the 60s and 70s likely because things have been put in the water. Beer on it's on is unlikely to kill a person but add a ruffie or other pills and see how much damage it does. Again with the hyperbole.....or you just don't know a thing about pot. Over the years some individuals have added chemicals to marijuana joints that change the entire experience.

In an earlier post I noted that most kids...and I should have said people do not know what is in their marijuana unless they grew it. If marijuana was legal, it would be regulated. Thus individuals would not be smoking a plant that had been soaked in some chemicals for 2-3 days. It would be pure herb, the marijuana plant.

Instead because marijuana is illegal...shady individuals can pass off a chemical compound as marijuana. Like I said get rid of the private organized crime and let the public organized crime organization tax and regulate it.


There is a reason it is listed as a schedule I drug. Alot smarter people than you and i recognize it's dangers.

Sorry that would be more powerful people than you and I. The reason marijuana will never become legal is because the tobacco, alcohol and pharmaceutical industries will keep it illegal. If the concern was public safety and health....cigarettes and alcohol would be illegal as well. Because they are part of a billion dollar industry, and their users don't mind the ridiculous additional taxes placed on their vice these items are legal.

I don't know you from the next person.  You are probably a good guy or gal.  Your entire life pot has been illegal....and deemed bad/evil. I don't know if you drink or smoke cigarettes but I would take a guess that your views of someone who drinks or smokes cigarettes are more positive than of someone who smokes pot. I agree with Bluedog....it is all the same. So make all three illegal or drop the hypocrisy.

As for you never seeing a cigarette leading to a fatal accident. Maybe you should check statistics. Cigarette smoking while driving has led to many accidents some fatal.

My argument is not legalize marijuana because other things are legal. That is my counter argument when people like you bring out stats about marijuana and alcohol and cigarettes are just as bad. I believe in choice, responsibility and paying the consequences if you fail to hold up your end. If a person wants to smoke a joint at home or with friends at a club they should be allowed. If that individual goes out and breaks a rule, law, etc he/she should pay the consequence. If putting something in your body like coffee, tobacco, alcohol, drugs is immoral or destroying one's temple....let that person be judged by their maker and not other humans.









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I love it when people who live in a little bubble and don't have to deal with the consequences of their beliefs tell me its about "choice". You can choose to do whatever you want. I'm telling you what my experience is. I don't believe in legalizing marijuana because I've seen the effects it has immedialetly, short term and long term. I would say the same thing about alcohol, but i thought you started this thread about mj.
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LMUfan, most likely they will go for Hashish, imported from the Midlle East.
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This is a difficult issue for me to decide.  Just to put all my cards on the table, I've never used mj and I voted no on California Prop 19.  I have always encouraged my daughters to avoid mj just as I encouraged them alcohol and cigarettes weren't wise choices.  Being a beer consumer, I suppose there are several hypocritical aspects to my particular stance.  I chose to avoid mj because, in my day, my folks would have considered it equivalent to being a heroin user.  Would have broken their hearts.  That said, I favor very minor, if any, penalties for the possession and use of small quantities of mj.  If your quantity of weed exceeds your quantity of Doritos, then I may have concerns. 
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I love it when people who live in a little bubble and don't have to deal with the consequences of their beliefs tell me its about "choice". You can choose to do whatever you want. I'm telling you what my experience is. I don't believe in legalizing marijuana because I've seen the effects it has immedialetly, short term and long term. I would say the same thing about alcohol, but i thought you started this thread about mj.


Crazy888 - this thread is somewhat ongoing that is why I titled it the way I did. I have had this conversation with others...couldn't find the thread to to place the image so started a new thread....old conversation.

I don't know you...and you don't know me but I am noticing something about your style when forming opinions. Many absolutes, a great deal of hyperbole.

So now my opinion is "wrong" because I live in a "bubble". Let's talk about my bubble. In 2004 more than 31% of adults between 18-25 had smoke pot within the year according to national surveys. In 2010 that number passed 40%.

I don't know what the percentage was when I was in the age range of 18-25. I do know that many of the kids who smoke pot while I was in college went on to professional careers. Even the "burnouts" who seemed destined for a career at McDonald's mopping floors found their way.

I have come across very troubled individuals who use marijuana, alcohol, and other drugs as way to get by. This by far is the smallest group among the users I know.

If the national surveys are correct why aren't there more "marijuana addicts" in your bubble? In my bubble I know judges, police officer, lawyers, fireman, serviceman, teachers, clerks, business owners, dock workers, janitors, nurses, musicians, actors, dentist, biologists, social workers......and I can keep on but think you get the point who at some time in their life have ....smoked a joint or two. Some to this day still.

Not exactly the picture you paint of your bubble, Crackhead Willy the career criminal because of pot. Of course there are going to be some individuals who do not make the most of their life and people will point back and say...it all started in 1979 when he smoked a joint for the first time. Not every person who smokes a joint has the psychotic episode and becomes a career criminal. there are people who can handle alcohol and those who can not. In my bubble there are people who can "experiment " with pot, continue to smoke it and lead productive lives. From what you have written it appears every person who touches a joint becomes some addict who will do anything for their next "fix". The people in my bubble think your view is myopic.

Based on national statistics 25% of people we know ADMIT, to smoking pot at some point in their lives. These are are friends, neighbors, bosses, co-workers, contractors we hire etc. Now maybe some of you can spot who has and who hasn't smoked pot. I would never dime out my friends who have move on to successful careers and families since "the munchie years (18-25) but I know that many involved in their present life would be shocked to know they were stellar members of the agricultural society some 20-25 years ago.

Dewey wrote that marijuana in his day was viewed like Heroin is today. He might have something as my Aunts are probably 6-7 years older than him and boy they are giving me the business for posting this image on facebook.  There is no way they would entertain a thought about legalizing marijuana.


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LMSS smoke up, who cares, maybe an employer doing an initial drug screen. I know I have employees that smoke, and as long as they take care of buisiness on the job, it is not an issue. Where it will become an issue, is when they get injured on a job. The second they walk into an ER for treatment under my company's Workers Comp insurance, they will get a needle stuck in their arm, and a drug test performed immediantly. Test negative, and you get fixed up on my dime, test positive, and you are asked to provide insurance, or cash payment for the injury. I give lectures, and talk a good game, but these are constructuion workers, and I was happy to have them pass a pre employment UA. Don't even get me started on the guys that are hanging steel, they are in a class by themselves.
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Lovemesomeganja...
Thanks for painting such a vivid picture of your bubble and the people you know in it. While you are escaping reality ( for whatever reason) on a saturday night thinking about all the people you know in the comfort of your backyard, I am working on the streets of L.A. dealing with people I don't know. I've also worked some of the nicer neighborhoods in so cal. One thing remains the same in both...aside from meth heads, pot heads make up the highest percentage of burglars and thiefs in my experience. That is not hyperbole....unlike the stat you originally posted suugested mj is safer than peanuts. You talk in absolutes trying to portray mj as some harmless, garden variety weed found in everyone's back yard. Try researching the THC levels in today's pot and see what you find ( chemistry background not necessary). 
  You have the luxury of burying  your head in the sand......I don't.

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Lovemesomeganja...
Thanks for painting such a vivid picture of your bubble and the people you know in it. While you are escaping reality ( for whatever reason) on a saturday night thinking about all the people you know in the comfort of your backyard, I am working on the streets of L.A. dealing with people I don't know. I've also worked some of the nicer neighborhoods in so cal. One thing remains the same in both...aside from meth heads, pot heads make up the highest percentage of burglars and thiefs in my experience. That is not hyperbole....unlike the stat you originally posted suugested mj is safer than peanuts. You talk in absolutes trying to portray mj as some harmless, garden variety weed found in everyone's back yard. Try researching the THC levels in today's pot and see what you find ( chemistry background not necessary). 
  You have the luxury of burying  your head in the sand......I don't.



Is your take ....because I advocate for legalization that I am lighting it up on Saturday night while you are out saving the world? You don't a single thing about me.  Don't assume because I have a different view than you that I am a bad person who is part of the problem and not the solution.

In fact two, three years ago I would not have openly supported legalization of marijuana. I would have been alright with things remaining the same. What changed my opinion were current DEA and law enforcement officers who are pushing for the legalization of drugs.



http://www.leap.cc/

I am not here to change your mind. You are a wall and will stand your ground on the subject.  Your exaggeration, hyperbole and weak shots at my character vs engaging in a real discussion might get a person who had no opinion on the subject, or or on the fence to research and consider the subject. I am good with that. I realize that there are some people for what what ever reason will never change their opinion. There are others who form their opinions  after looking at all sides. Legalization will not happen this year and probably not in the next five years but with more organizations like L.E.AP. it going to happen.


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LMSS, I have never bought into the whole legalize drugs thing. I saw it as giving up and having a big free for all. Not saying you have changed my mind but she sites you linked give compelling arguments. If drugs were legal it probably would take take years before the good effects occur. Since it is so controversial I don't think it would survive scrutiny and no politician is going to risk their career backing it.
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i apologize if i struck a nerve. I in no way intended to suggest you were a bad person. My experience with marijuana and its use is alot different than yours. I am passionate about not underestimating it's dangers because of what I've seen. I realize there are many sites that promote the legalization of mj. There are many more that oppose legalization. Stats can be manipulated to support both opinions. You couldn't possibly post this thread and think everyone would agree with your take. 

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No you didn't strike a nerve. I just don't want to make this personal. People have told me I can be very mean and nasty when I unleash that side of me.

I don't need you to agree with me. If you read my earlier post I even stated there is nothing I can say that will change your mind. I get your drift, I can put myself in your shoes and argue a more logical and passionate argument against legalization without making a caricature out of you or your views. I seriously doubt you could do the same with an argument for legalization.

That is why I can't get into a intensely heated discussion with you. It not a discussion. Bluedog and I respectfully disagreed with each other. We said our peace and moved on. You on the other hand have decided your view is the only truth. When I questioned anything you said your response was not to engage in a discussion but attempt to be dismissal, paint me as "living in a bubble", questioned my "reality", and  you really got creative "lovemesomeganja"......... I get it my opinions threaten something inside you and that was your best response.

As for the website I linked...it not some random site supported by stoners for the legalization of Marijuana. Your best reply was that you work on the streets of Los Angeles. As commendable as that is it's one view. Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (L.E.A.P) are hundreds of current and former  police officers, DEA agents, judges some who have put their careers in jeopardy to support legalization. You have suggested your opinion worth is more credible and valuable than mine because you walk the streets of Los Angeles (in what capacity, I don't know....since you claimed to work at a los Angeles prison(jail) you must be connected with the Los Angeles Sherriff Department. Oddly enough I worked at Pitchess Honor Ranch for the Sheriff Department. What a bubble life I have...anyway I simply countered your take with LEAP, hundreds...of law enforcement officers who are in my "bubble", "reality" and can support a legislation without being a user. Interesting that you can dismiss the opinions of hundreds of law enforcement officer but use that criteria to boost your view.

Again, I don't expect you your opinion to change. It's like Galileo expecting the church to accept his views. The thought of legalization goes against everything you are. This isn't asking the home plate umpire to check with third. My views, my position are an insult to you so much that can't imagine even listening to them. Let along taking them serious but there are others on this board who are not as rigid, and might entertain the thoughts.

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