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Such a good song.  How do you choose between those two?  Can't tell you why, but in this instance, I think I slightly prefer the Carpenters' version. 

Although not quite the whole "two different takes on a song" type situation, I love this brief clip with the Florence and the Machine singer.




Yeah you sent this to me one day when I was trying to be productive at work and well so much for productivity......I love how some artist have their own style but maintain the grit of the music.....

Interesting that one of En Vogue's early hits was an Aretha Franklin remake



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Wow, thanks for bringing up this aspect of music. In this internet age it is fun to type in a song title on Youtube and explore all the different renditions that one can find.  I've done it on several occasions, as I am sure you have, and in addition to hearing different styles, it also has exposed me to new performers.  One example is the the Bacharach/David song "A House is Not a Home."  In addition to the usual finds was one of a Dutch singer named Katrijntje Oosterhuis or "Traincha" who I think has a great voice, but is relatively unknown in this country. Getting backup from the Metropole Orchestra isn't too shabby, either.  I purchased two of her CD's on Blue Note records, which I thought was interesting in itself....guess it's not just a jazz label anymore.


Probably this rendition would get most people's vote:




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I am way out of my league with most of you folks, but I just wanted to say thank you, as I am reading, listening, and learning. We are all ignorant, in various degrees and about different things.  I plead semi ignorance on this thread, which I believe to be one of the best ever on UCS.  Right on !!!!   By the way, LMSS, Karen Carpenter is right  up there with Chet Baker on my personal "best" lifetime greats.  I guess I have a thing for unbelievably talented performers with problems (tortured artists ala Van Gogh)???  So much "soul" in their presentations.  Like reading an Oscar Wilde poem, or even better William Blake.  To me, somehow they dig deeper than most and still don't produce excessively emotional "fluff" like Emily Dickinson or Chubby Checker (these serve a different purpose like my wife and I doing the "Twist" poorly in our living room the other day and laughing at each other). 

 All of mankind's vehicles of expression provide an opportunity for us to share that which is most "human" or "at gut level", or as the philosophers say, "In the State of Nature" including unfortunately in many cases for mankind "martial music".    

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A - Because you have been so wonderful in posting the lyrics of music that we hearing deprived can love, but not be able to actually hear all the words, I am sending this to you  as an example of a theme often rendered in many vehicles of expression (obviously including music) as a plight of the human condition. Just one vehicle of expression of a human theme!   I was young and heart broken as only the young can be, and I wrote this cathartic poem:  I hope that you enjoy it as just another vehicle of expression, maybe even identify?  How many hundreds of songs and written vehicles have expressed the same human response?  In a sense, this is the 1950s version of rap. 

      EMPTY PAPER BAG

 Saw a jigsaw puzzle in lost time,
took the gold space angle
And it  fit nicely with the light blue.
But the sad piece with the jagged hurting edge
wouldn't go and shouldn't go,
though I turned it every which way.

Looked into the circus mirror and saw
witty, happy chap, smiling happy-warm;
saw a gnarled clown in the same reflection,
downtwisted perversion of a grimace on his face.
Edges of all pieces blurred for a moment,
squinted my eyes to harness the sun..

Think to straighten it all out,
put it all together for real time.
Saw that there were two people in the maze;
one was I; the other looked at me,
alternating warm smiles and stoical glances
like the neon sign on the popcorn stand
near the merry go round.

Blinks, blinks harshly as the Barker
with the straw hat and the BIG WHITE TEEEETH,
with the "come on sucker" look,
stared knowingly into my eyes and grinned
his haunting Cheshire Cat grin.

Weeping in inside space I sought
the missing middle piece, the one
that fit well into gold and blue sunbeams.
Heard the Barker bellow, "I've got it.
I've got the brass ring.  Hurry, hurry, hurry!".

That lier, that unworthy sonofab-tch !!!
The ring was gold, and the pace
was quiet and gentle and warm.
And the meaning was WE for a time.  



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Steve Rhodes,
Thanks for your find. I just spent too much time on You Tube listening to songs performed by Katrijntje Oosterhuis. She has colloborated with several artist and has much diversity. Wonderful voice and just shows you how music touches so many people all over the world.

F- documentation in music, paint, theatre of the plight of the human condition over the ages in art has been remarkable. It's amazing how some who walked the earth before my grandparents were born can put into art form what many feel today. Thank you for sharing

I love this thread because I love music, and not just the sounds or words of music but life the music takes on for years and years. Some songs put us in a moment.....it's like playing the soundtrack of our lives. I am a big fan of movie directors Jonathan Demme and Cameron Crowe because they have a way of marrying music with acting performances.

I can't think of any dialogue to better develop the kidnap victim than her carefree singing of 'American Girl'. The kidnap character did not have much time on screen but would become the central focus of the main characters. Her lost of innonence shown near the end of the film would show the brutality she suffered without having to expose the audience to so much violence.

Cameron Crowe's using Peter Gabriel 'In your eyes' in Say Anything

Will somebody poke or throw something at Gonein so he joins this discussion. I swear that guy is a musical Encyclopedia but I know he rarely ventures in misc.

Anyway.....thought since JG open the doors art and the human condition...I would share one of my guilty pleasure movies which focused on the the plight of human condition using song, dance and humor to make the point

 

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Jayrot,
You got me thinking about songs that take on a different vibe when sung by another artist. Here one of my favorite songs sung by two outstanding artists.







WOW. Karen Carpenter. What a voice. Thanks for reminding me. I have saved a few of their videos on youtube.
What I love most is my diverse love of music. Completely keeps my friends off guard. Ive been told on more than one occasion they never know what to expect to hear when they get in my truck or come to the house.

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Vol 52 - Steve - Of course I respect your expertise as a professor of music and a music aficienado, and in that spirit, I ask you to compare Sarah McLachlan (one of my very  favorites) with Trijntje Oosterhuis, both technically and in terms of "soul".  Thanks,   Frank
PS - How does one pronounce that first name which I assume to be Nederlander?  

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Lot of great links here.  As I said in another thread, just saw "Love" in Las Vegas and to combine visuals with the great music by the Beatles was more special than I could have ever imagined.

Back in early 2010, I posted another visual moment coupled with a very moving version of Hallelujah by k.d. lang.  Full Olympic video not provided but you can still enjoy her performance here.



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For you Tenfour:







And anybody else who wants to enjoy it




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Frank,

I think the closest that I can get to the pronunciation would be owe-sturh-house.  As to the comparison of the two singers, I agree that there is a tremendous amount of soul in Sarah MacLachlan.  What makes both singers so good is that they find what works for them and emphasize their strengths.  Sarah has that soulful, blues, country blend that is magic for her. Traincha blew Burt Bacharach away and apparently he gave her permission to cut two albums of his music.  He even played piano on a couple of the cuts.  I know that didn't answer your question very well, but the most important thing may be that they are scary good.

Here is another "Sarah" who found what works for her:



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LMSS,

Here is another Dutch singer that you can waste time on! What an electric performance:


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Steve,

Was wondering if anyone in the music world had ever written an analysis or offered opinion about the progressive "speeding up" of pop music?

Where once Big Bands plodded along and Blues traveled a slow journey to the crossroads, each generation followed with an increased tempo. Through my lifetime, the pace kept increasing until it topped out with the frenetic Punk era.

I expected a cataclysmic end of humanity, but it didn't happen.  In my opinion, since we've traversed the gamut from languid to lively to lightning, now any or all speeds are acceptable to the modern ear.

Just my musings before midnight.

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Bill Smith,
I am no expert but for some increasing a tempo is a way to run or hide ....some call this an Eminence Front





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OK, for my owweeeeoooo moment of the evening. (X-files) 

One of my favorite songs. Want to rewrite the lyrics for a bluesy singer we know, his band mates would nail that two note lead in, then lay down the back beat as he would sing,

I'm in love
I'm in love
but it's a put on.


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So is this a bluesy song?



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Bill,

Good question. 

Personally, I don't know of anything, but that certainly doesn't mean it hasn't happened.  I am woefully inadequate when it comes to knowledge in the world of pop music, which makes this thread fun for me. 

From your observance you think that it is a progression. Just for thought, sometimes music trends are cyclical.  You mentioned the big band era.  Well, that era came to a screeching halt when other styles took over such as rhythm and blues and bebop.  Bebop was incredibly fast paced.  Miles Davis countered Bebop with Cool Jazz, because he simply could not play the trumpet as fast as Dizzy Gillespie.

Or, perhaps it is simply a reflection of the increasingly fast paced society that we live in. 

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Steve - My elitist brother in law (sister's husband) often said that Sarah Brightman was music and there was nothing else.  She does have a great talent.  He was one of those people who mistook "Classicist" for "class".  I don't think that he loved opera half as much as being able to say that he had attended.  As much as I hate to agree with my brother in law, in this case he is very close to being correct.   She is marvelous, and her training and technical expertise are superb.  Gotta love Sarah Brightman.  Thank you  for reminding me.    Frank
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Frank,

I totally understand.  I work on a daily basis with one of those types!
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LMSS-Blue the lyrics be. Back beat be a jazzy rhythm. Must be R&B?

Steve, I know a little about Miles. Your story elicits a nodding smile. Some friends have a mom and pop band that has befriended a former guitarist for Miles, Garth Webber.

My jazz knowledge is very small. Al "Jazzbeaux" Collins and his Purple Grotto was on my radio dial late nights working grave shifts during college.

Your observation that it might be cyclical would certainly follow most other disciplines I've encountered. "There's nothing new in..." is an oft uttered phrase in baseball, football, etc.

Frank- Tell your brother-in-law he should be listening to the Classics IV. They are class to the fourth power. Hahaha.


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Bill - I truly would but he's dead.  Heart attack in a restaurant parking lot.  A good death for him because it was a high class restaurant.  Frank


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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Bill - I like "Classics IV".   Besides, my wife says that their lead looks "Exactly like you (me) when you (me) were young" except you (me)were better looking and had a better mouth (see why we've been married for 54 years?.    Frank
PS - I agree with her about the looks thing.  Doppelganger (except for the usual evil semantic) !  I wish that I knew how to put photos on line so I could show you what I mean.  His picture is at the left after the "I'm With Spooky" shirt, and is just before the "Boo - Happy Halloween " bit, after the group on the car.  Amazing resemblance.  Do you know his name??  
Edit: Never mind.  I Googled him and his name is Dennis Yost, deceased in 1965.  Thanks for the "trip".  

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Bill - I truly would but he's dead.  Heart attack in a restaurant parking lot.  A good death for him because it was a high class restaurant.  Frank



Frank,

So I take it that your brother in law was not one to frequent Chez McDonald's?

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Vol 52 - Do you know the type who goes to a good restaurant and sends back the first course without even tasting it, just to prove that he is a gourmet (which he wasn't) and condescends to the waiter?  That's the guy.  My sister used to tell me that her husband has been cooked for by the finest chefs in France and that he knows good cooking.  I guess that was very important to his conception of his worth, and her conception of him.  He was an airlines pilot and an upper class wannabe. But enough of this personal bashing of the deceased - but I'll bet that some of you know people with similar attitudes toward music who are still vertical on the planet.  Back to music !!!!  Super thread.     
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Frank, I would guess that many of us know a lot of people who have similar attitudes towards many of life's pleasures, be it music, food, wine, books, etc. 
Elitists, although many of them are not worthy of the tag.

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Such a good song.  How do you choose between those two?  Can't tell you why, but in this instance, I think I slightly prefer the Carpenters' version. 

Although not quite the whole "two different takes on a song" type situation, I love this brief clip with the Florence and the Machine singer.




Yeah you sent this to me one day when I was trying to be productive at work and well so much for productivity......I love how some artist have their own style but maintain the grit of the music.....

Interesting that one of En Vogue's early hits was an Aretha Franklin remake





Oops, see how much I love it, I unknowingly repeated it

Just sharing three more songs that for some reason I just love to play in the summer:





(will I ever live this one down?)
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jayrot-

Turn in your man card.

Signed,

A Guy Who Listens to Enya

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jayrot-

Turn in your man card.

Signed,

A Guy Who Listens to Enya


LOL, I think GI2.6 took it away a long time ago after he figured out my music choices. 

And on a completely different note, heard this in Famima over the weekend and it just has to be posted here (despite it probably not being popular with most of the people here).



But nonetheless, you can really take my man card when I start posting my Dolly Parton videos .
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I checked with Burt, you know he's the head of the Man Card committee. Dolly is ok according to him.



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So is this a bluesy song?



good tune LMSS

Here is one that I really like....yea yea maybe I am getting in touch with my feminine side.


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