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I also had a feeling Mueller wasn't just having extended lunch with his probe. Everybody but one person already knew this, Mueller can prove it. Rock Star for liberty and justice.

Special counsel Mueller: Russians conducted 'information warfare' against US during election to help Donald Trump win

  • Special counsel Robert Mueller said a grand jury had indicted 13 Russian nationals and three Russian entities for alleged interference in the 2016 presidential election.
  • The defendants allegedly conducted "information warfare" against the United States election process to help Donald Trump win.
  • The defendants used fake American personas, social media platforms, and other Internet media to advance their scheme, according to an indictment.


No one really doubts this.  What it is missing is collusion.

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Also what is missing is how that has sh1t to do with Trump. 
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"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
WTF?
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Also what is missing is how that has sh1t to do with Trump. 


Hence the word collusion

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There is also nothing in these indictments to indicate that the activities of these Russians actually did anything to help Trump win - that, according  to the deputy attorney general.

Basically, the investigation found out that the Russians are screwing with us.  Did it really take that long to figure that out?

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"What it is missing is collusion."

Each American will have their own opinion.  The meeting between Don Jr and the Russians, the speech by Trump inspiring the Russians to do more, and the meetings between other Trump campaign officials and Russians convinces me there was collusion.  Does it rise to criminal behavior?  It may very well not, I just don't know.  It won't change my opinion if there are no charges brought but I won't call the President a criminal until convicted of wrongdoing by Congress or a jury. 

Edit:  Nothing in these charges suggests the Russians didn't help Trump to win either.  Each American will make up their own mind and I believe this interference by Russia did push Trump over the top.

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Your side keeps saying let's wait for Mueller's report.

He's reported Russians interfered with our election.  Everyone knows this - we have meddled in theirs.  Edit:  This sentence should have read Everyone knows they interfered with our election.  We meddled in theirs as well.

Let's wait and see if there is any actual proof of collusion.  Not going to trust a dishonest coward on a message board like you.

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"Everyone knows this - we have meddled in theirs."

Please tell us what you read or who you listened to that convinced you this was true.  I'll give it a good read.

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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

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"What it is missing is collusion."

Each American will have their own opinion.  The meeting between Don Jr and the Russians, the speech by Trump inspiring the Russians to do more, and the meetings between other Trump campaign officials and Russians convinces me there was collusion.  Does it rise to criminal behavior?  It may very well not, I just don't know.  It won't change my opinion if there are no charges brought but I won't call the President a criminal until convicted of wrongdoing by Congress or a jury. 

Edit:  Nothing in these charges suggests the Russians didn't help Trump to win either.  Each American will make up their own mind and I believe this interference by Russia did push Trump over the top.


Believe what you want.  You've been wrong so many times, the readers will probably come to the opposite conclusion of your beliefs.

Basically, you can't admit that your party completely screwed up the election despite massive attempts to cheat.  Amazing.

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The Democratic Party put up a candidate that received more votes than the GOP candidate, increased the number of Democratic members in the Senate, and increased the number of Democratic Representatives in the House.  The Party is moving in the right direction but, I agree, there is still work to do.
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Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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"received more votes"

Drink a Red Stripe

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The Democratic Party put up a candidate that received more votes than the GOP candidate, increased the number of Democratic members in the Senate, and increased the number of Democratic Representatives in the House.  The Party is moving in the right direction but, I agree, there is still work to do.


Eliminating the Democrats' propensity to cheat would be a good start.

By the way, your candidate lost the election.  Do we need to explain to you for the millionth time how the Electoral College works?

In the Super Bowl, the Patriots had 613 yards of offense and the Eagles had 538.  Should the Patriots have been crowned the champs?

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"Everyone knows this - we have meddled in theirs."

Please tell us what you read or who you listened to that convinced you this was true.  I'll give it a good read.


I have posted information pertaining to the above in the past and recently.

Our gov't has directly coopted the election process in the Ukraine, Israel, South America, etc. And I don't need to read or listen to anyone to be convinced it is true.

You are misguided on some subjects. You can still agree to disagree, but the above issue is common knowledge. Given you are a political junky, you should know not to question.

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If the next Democratic Party candidate for President wins by 6 million votes and still loses the election, I'll still say we are moving in the right direction, particularly if we add members in the House and Senate.
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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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First off if you have big news you don’t dump it on Friday, on a long weekend, and send a subordinate to deliver the news.
Second Rosenstein says no American was involved in the Russian actions and it had no effect on the election.
Finally we meddle in foreign elections just like Russia does. So what. It’s part of life
What else you got Freshie

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I look at "meddled" as representing a misinformation campaign.  Financial support of opposition, pamphlet dropping, etc., is different in my opinion than intentional misleading propaganda.
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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If the next Democratic Party candidate for President wins by 6 million votes and still loses the election


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I look at "meddled" as representing a misinformation campaign.  Financial support of opposition, pamphlet dropping, etc., is different in my opinion than intentional misleading propaganda.


Readers - this is what you do when you realize you posted something so stupid it is completely indefensible.

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I look at "meddled" as representing a misinformation campaign.  Financial support of opposition, pamphlet dropping, etc., is different in my opinion than intentional misleading propaganda.


Nobody really cares how you look at it through your hyper-partisan lens.  The reality is that indictments were handed down and it appears, at this point, that nothing is touching Trump and nobody is indicating that there was anything Trump did.  Those are the facts as much as you don't like them.

Perhaps your party should focus on how they can come up with policies that actually work to make the lives of Americans better.  

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"Everyone knows this - we have meddled in theirs."

Many of us look at this as a moral equivalence and refuse to accept such being the case.  We may be wrong but, for me personally, I'll need a lot more evidence before I can say similar.

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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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"Many of us look at this as a moral equivalence and refuse to accept such being the case."

Can you please provide documentation, or an article, stating such?  I would be happy to read it if you have one.

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"What it is missing is collusion."

Each American will have their own opinion.  The meeting between Don Jr and the Russians, the speech by Trump inspiring the Russians to do more, and the meetings between other Trump campaign officials and Russians convinces me there was collusion.  Does it rise to criminal behavior?  It may very well not, I just don't know.  It won't change my opinion if there are no charges brought but I won't call the President a criminal until convicted of wrongdoing by Congress or a jury. 

Edit:  Nothing in these charges suggests the Russians didn't help Trump to win either.  Each American will make up their own mind and I believe this interference by Russia did push Trump over the top.


Mueller said no American knowingly participated in Russian meddling.  Are you saying Mueller is wrong?  What do you know that he doesn't after a year of digging?

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I don't believe Mueller characterized the meeting between Don Jr and the Russians or the meetings between Flynn and the Russians.  If and when he does, it won't matter to many of us.  I already believe the Trump campaign tried to coordinate with Russians in order to get their help in defeating Hillary.  From my perspective, and in the words of the Dental Monitor's assistant, "That's bad".
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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I don't believe Mueller characterized the meeting between Don Jr and the Russians or the meetings between Flynn and the Russians.  If and when he does, it won't matter to many of us.  I already believe the Trump campaign tried to coordinate with Russians in order to get their help in defeating Hillary.  From my perspective, and in the words of the Dental Monitor's assistant, "That's bad".


But in your view, there's nothing to the Dossier/Blumenthal/DNC/Hillary possibility.  Got it.

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Anything is possible.  Republicans run the whole show so if any wrongdoing occurred, they'll get to the bottom of it.  I'll wait for the investigation to be completed while the Right chooses to adopt a premature conviction.
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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You already said you know there was collusion Regardless of the outcome of the investigation

You lie so much you can’t keep your own thoughts straight.

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Read again.  I've said the various meetings with Russians convinces me the Trump campaign was working with our adversary in order to defeat Hillary.  I see that as a form of collusion and I've said that's a bad thing.  I don't know if any laws have been broken and I haven't said we should lock the President up or label him a crook.

Edit:  I don't see how sharing ones thoughts and opinions can be labeled as lies.  Doesn't the Right ever tire of applying that word in every case of discussion?

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama -  "When I say if you have your plan and you like it, and your doctor has a plan -- or you have a doctor and you like your doctor, that you don't have to change plans, what I'm saying is the government is not going to make you change plans under health reform."

Just because I refuse to criminalize abortion/adultery/offensive speech doesn't mean I favor it.


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I put this up, not to prove trump is guilty, but to show the progress being made in the Mueller probe. Several of you have intimated that little is being done. The opposite is quite obvious. Don't worry, the same level of competence that brought these charges will be aimed at our beloved president shortly. Anyone foolish enough to proclaim trump's complete innocence could be right. It's not what the evidence would lead a practically minded person to believe, but the tight security surrounding the Mueller probe gives us little insight into his successes until released. I think trump has a lot to worry about and I will live with the results of the Mueller probe. How funny that someone would think that having the head of the probe release the news somehow lessened it's import. Everything has a spin, I guess.
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Those charges are a joke.  F'n Barney Fife would not even bother putting his bullet in his gun to get up for that action.

You holding this up as exemplar reminds us of how sunk Mueller is.  I feel bad for the guy.

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"before the election a d Iowa sId hi.self that there was nothing to it"
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Denial. Is that the Hannity take? Spin it as you will, trump is running scared.
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Facebook, unfortunately, was many people's lone source of information during the election. Easy and has many pictures. And why were all of them aimed at and believed by conservatives? 
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