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pabar61

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"What it is missing is collusion."

Each American will have their own opinion.  The meeting between Don Jr and the Russians, the speech by Trump inspiring the Russians to do more, and the meetings between other Trump campaign officials and Russians convinces me there was collusion.  Does it rise to criminal behavior?  It may very well not, I just don't know.  It won't change my opinion if there are no charges brought but I won't call the President a criminal until convicted of wrongdoing by Congress or a jury. 

Edit:  Nothing in these charges suggests the Russians didn't help Trump to win either.  Each American will make up their own mind and I believe this interference by Russia did push Trump over the top.


Believe what you want.  You've been wrong so many times, the readers will probably come to the opposite conclusion of your beliefs.

Basically, you can't admit that your party completely screwed up the election despite massive attempts to cheat.  Amazing.

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The Democratic Party put up a candidate that received more votes than the GOP candidate, increased the number of Democratic members in the Senate, and increased the number of Democratic Representatives in the House.  The Party is moving in the right direction but, I agree, there is still work to do.
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Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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"received more votes"

Drink a Red Stripe
pabar61

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The Democratic Party put up a candidate that received more votes than the GOP candidate, increased the number of Democratic members in the Senate, and increased the number of Democratic Representatives in the House.  The Party is moving in the right direction but, I agree, there is still work to do.


Eliminating the Democrats' propensity to cheat would be a good start.

By the way, your candidate lost the election.  Do we need to explain to you for the millionth time how the Electoral College works?

In the Super Bowl, the Patriots had 613 yards of offense and the Eagles had 538.  Should the Patriots have been crowned the champs?

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"Everyone knows this - we have meddled in theirs."

Please tell us what you read or who you listened to that convinced you this was true.  I'll give it a good read.


I have posted information pertaining to the above in the past and recently.

Our gov't has directly coopted the election process in the Ukraine, Israel, South America, etc. And I don't need to read or listen to anyone to be convinced it is true.

You are misguided on some subjects. You can still agree to disagree, but the above issue is common knowledge. Given you are a political junky, you should know not to question.

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Will_I_Wynn

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If the next Democratic Party candidate for President wins by 6 million votes and still loses the election, I'll still say we are moving in the right direction, particularly if we add members in the House and Senate.
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Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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First off if you have big news you don’t dump it on Friday, on a long weekend, and send a subordinate to deliver the news.
Second Rosenstein says no American was involved in the Russian actions and it had no effect on the election.
Finally we meddle in foreign elections just like Russia does. So what. It’s part of life
What else you got Freshie

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I look at "meddled" as representing a misinformation campaign.  Financial support of opposition, pamphlet dropping, etc., is different in my opinion than intentional misleading propaganda.
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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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If the next Democratic Party candidate for President wins by 6 million votes and still loses the election


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TheNarrator

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I look at "meddled" as representing a misinformation campaign.  Financial support of opposition, pamphlet dropping, etc., is different in my opinion than intentional misleading propaganda.


Readers - this is what you do when you realize you posted something so stupid it is completely indefensible.
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I look at "meddled" as representing a misinformation campaign.  Financial support of opposition, pamphlet dropping, etc., is different in my opinion than intentional misleading propaganda.


Nobody really cares how you look at it through your hyper-partisan lens.  The reality is that indictments were handed down and it appears, at this point, that nothing is touching Trump and nobody is indicating that there was anything Trump did.  Those are the facts as much as you don't like them.

Perhaps your party should focus on how they can come up with policies that actually work to make the lives of Americans better.  

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"Everyone knows this - we have meddled in theirs."

Many of us look at this as a moral equivalence and refuse to accept such being the case.  We may be wrong but, for me personally, I'll need a lot more evidence before I can say similar.

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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"Many of us look at this as a moral equivalence and refuse to accept such being the case."

Can you please provide documentation, or an article, stating such?  I would be happy to read it if you have one.
pabar61

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Originally Posted by Will_I_Wynn
"What it is missing is collusion."

Each American will have their own opinion.  The meeting between Don Jr and the Russians, the speech by Trump inspiring the Russians to do more, and the meetings between other Trump campaign officials and Russians convinces me there was collusion.  Does it rise to criminal behavior?  It may very well not, I just don't know.  It won't change my opinion if there are no charges brought but I won't call the President a criminal until convicted of wrongdoing by Congress or a jury. 

Edit:  Nothing in these charges suggests the Russians didn't help Trump to win either.  Each American will make up their own mind and I believe this interference by Russia did push Trump over the top.


Mueller said no American knowingly participated in Russian meddling.  Are you saying Mueller is wrong?  What do you know that he doesn't after a year of digging?

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I don't believe Mueller characterized the meeting between Don Jr and the Russians or the meetings between Flynn and the Russians.  If and when he does, it won't matter to many of us.  I already believe the Trump campaign tried to coordinate with Russians in order to get their help in defeating Hillary.  From my perspective, and in the words of the Dental Monitor's assistant, "That's bad".
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


pabar61

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I don't believe Mueller characterized the meeting between Don Jr and the Russians or the meetings between Flynn and the Russians.  If and when he does, it won't matter to many of us.  I already believe the Trump campaign tried to coordinate with Russians in order to get their help in defeating Hillary.  From my perspective, and in the words of the Dental Monitor's assistant, "That's bad".


But in your view, there's nothing to the Dossier/Blumenthal/DNC/Hillary possibility.  Got it.

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Anything is possible.  Republicans run the whole show so if any wrongdoing occurred, they'll get to the bottom of it.  I'll wait for the investigation to be completed while the Right chooses to adopt a premature conviction.
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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You already said you know there was collusion Regardless of the outcome of the investigation

You lie so much you can’t keep your own thoughts straight.
Will_I_Wynn

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Read again.  I've said the various meetings with Russians convinces me the Trump campaign was working with our adversary in order to defeat Hillary.  I see that as a form of collusion and I've said that's a bad thing.  I don't know if any laws have been broken and I haven't said we should lock the President up or label him a crook.

Edit:  I don't see how sharing ones thoughts and opinions can be labeled as lies.  Doesn't the Right ever tire of applying that word in every case of discussion?

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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I put this up, not to prove trump is guilty, but to show the progress being made in the Mueller probe. Several of you have intimated that little is being done. The opposite is quite obvious. Don't worry, the same level of competence that brought these charges will be aimed at our beloved president shortly. Anyone foolish enough to proclaim trump's complete innocence could be right. It's not what the evidence would lead a practically minded person to believe, but the tight security surrounding the Mueller probe gives us little insight into his successes until released. I think trump has a lot to worry about and I will live with the results of the Mueller probe. How funny that someone would think that having the head of the probe release the news somehow lessened it's import. Everything has a spin, I guess.
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Those charges are a joke.  F'n Barney Fife would not even bother putting his bullet in his gun to get up for that action.

You holding this up as exemplar reminds us of how sunk Mueller is.  I feel bad for the guy.

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Denial. Is that the Hannity take? Spin it as you will, trump is running scared.
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Facebook, unfortunately, was many people's lone source of information during the election. Easy and has many pictures. And why were all of them aimed at and believed by conservatives? 
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Facebook, unfortunately, was many people's lone source of information during the election. Easy and has many pictures. And why were all of them aimed at and believed by conservatives? 


So you are saying that people chose Facebook as their only source of information?  Doesn't that make them extremely dumb?  If there was any impact at all from Facebook's inability to sort this out, conservatives weren't the ones being convinced to switch from Hillary to Trump.

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Facebook, unfortunately, was many people's lone source of information during the election. Easy and has many pictures. And why were all of them aimed at and believed by conservatives? 


So, what you are saying is that a lot of the people that use Facebook as a trusted news source have the intellectual capacity of a twelve year old? Sounds like you just described the majority of the Dem voter base.

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yes they do choose Facebook (or reddit) and yes it does make them dumb. We have to stop being afraid to say that. When you get scammed you need to admit it and not let it happen again. Has nothing to do with party. In fact, it has more to do with not being engaged and not proactively reading/learning, but rather passively getting a feed and going with that.





In this case it has everything to do with party because Dewey is claiming that Hillary lost due to Russians influencing the election.  One of the main ways they did that was to infiltrate Facebook with fake accounts and post anti-Hillary posts.  So, clearly, the idiots who only used Facebook, as Fresh is saying, were easily swayed.  Trust me, conservatives are not nearly that dumb.

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Trust me, conservatives are not nearly that dumb.


I beg to differ
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I beg to differ


I guess it depends on your definition of conservative.  I'm talking about the Ben Shapiro type of conservatives.

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The two at my office are conservatives and were swayed on facebook. Liberal next to me swayed by reddit. Knows no party.

Look in sports you often don't care that the refs helped you with calls or the other team with mistakes, but you know deep down inside you were not all that great.

I have been voted MVP at games by others and turned it down knowing I screwed up or got favored. Handed to someone else who deserved it, too.

We have all been snookered too by something or someone and we are not as smart as we think we are.


I don't believe this.  True conservatives would never have considered voting for Hillary.

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"So, what you are saying is that a lot of the people that use Facebook as a trusted news source have the intellectual capacity of a twelve year old?"

The spread of misinformation is not that complex.  An individual reads a Drudge report on Facebook.  This report links a website claiming the Hillary campaign entrapped Don Jr. by setting up a meeting with a Russian woman.  The propaganda has now been released.  This individual uses email to his friends and also includes forums like this one to continue the story he discovered on Facebook.  Now more individuals buy into the entrapment theory and pass it on in their social media pages.  And on and on it goes.

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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