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mikec

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Wait, here he is again:


WikiLeaksVerified account@wikileaks 13 Nov 2015

At least 39 dead tonight in Paris terror atacks. 250k dead in Syria & Iraq. Both a direct result of US, UK, France feeding Sunni extremists

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Anybody who votes for trump should have to turn in their Decent Human Being card. The guy is a complete, unhinged moron, narcissist and scumbag--and
anybody who tries to pretend that there is some equivalency between Clinton and whatever faults she may have and Trump should go back to third grade. I think a lot of southerners would be going back to third grade. Trump doesn't have a shred of integrity--look at him now, he's losing, he's going to lose--and he's going around blatantly telling lies about voter fraud. Disgusting. There is not going to be voter fraud--it's just another big lie/conspiracy story from a man and a party and conservatives who make fools of themselves--and this country's democratic process--by feeding on this nonsense. It's shameful.

Conservatives try to turn every progressive idea they don't like, every election they're going to lose, every Democratic initiative, into some sort of conspiracy/outrage--because the right-wing media harps on certain topics day after day, knowing that if it does, goobers will pick up on it. That is why goobers pretended to be outraged by the Affordable Care Act when in fact they knowing about it at all--they just start parroting right-wing media. The right wing has become unbalanced and dangerous because it would rather spread lies and nonsense than respect our democracy and lose with integrity. The whole idea that Clinton should be in jail--it is so utterly disrespectful, so utterly stupid and dishonest, it is beyond comprehension that a presidential candidate would around talking like that--and inciting crowds with crass talk and lies. If you want to talk about jail, Trump is the one who ACTUALLY scammed hard-working people out of money with his real-estate seminar fraud. That's real. Most of the accusations about Clinton are made up nonsense. There is a difference between making an honest mistake and being a dishonest scumbag who likes cheating people. Learn the difference, see the difference.

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Dewy, is that you?
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Another hit piece from someone that will won't stick around and defend their posts.  Man up and stick around - you won't do that because being a drive by is just easier.

Nothing to see here.

People voting for Hillary are voting for a proven criminal.  Look at the FBI's emails about her steering State Department contracts to friends of Bill.
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too much wrong here to go into, but I'll sum it up like this:

anyone who is supporting either of these candidates has no basis whatsoever to lecture the other candidate's supporters on morals, right and wrong, or general scumbaggery.



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Originally Posted by kazoo

Anybody who votes for trump should have to turn in their Decent Human Being card. The guy is a complete, unhinged moron, narcissist and scumbag--and
anybody who tries to pretend that there is some equivalency between Clinton and whatever faults she may have and Trump should go back to third grade. I think a lot of southerners would be going back to third grade. Trump doesn't have a shred of integrity--look at him now, he's losing, he's going to lose--and he's going around blatantly telling lies about voter fraud. Disgusting. There is not going to be voter fraud--it's just another big lie/conspiracy story from a man and a party and conservatives who make fools of themselves--and this country's democratic process--by feeding on this nonsense. It's shameful.

Conservatives try to turn every progressive idea they don't like, every election they're going to lose, every Democratic initiative, into some sort of conspiracy/outrage--because the right-wing media harps on certain topics day after day, knowing that if it does, goobers will pick up on it. That is why goobers pretended to be outraged by the Affordable Care Act when in fact they knowing about it at all--they just start parroting right-wing media. The right wing has become unbalanced and dangerous because it would rather spread lies and nonsense than respect our democracy and lose with integrity. The whole idea that Clinton should be in jail--it is so utterly disrespectful, so utterly stupid and dishonest, it is beyond comprehension that a presidential candidate would around talking like that--and inciting crowds with crass talk and lies. If you want to talk about jail, Trump is the one who ACTUALLY scammed hard-working people out of money with his real-estate seminar fraud. That's real. Most of the accusations about Clinton are made up nonsense. There is a difference between making an honest mistake and being a dishonest scumbag who likes cheating people. Learn the difference, see the difference.
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Anybody who votes for trump should have to turn in their Decent Human Being card. The guy is a complete, unhinged moron, narcissist and scumbag--and
anybody who tries to pretend that there is some equivalency between Clinton and whatever faults she may have and Trump should go back to third grade. I think a lot of southerners would be going back to third grade. Trump doesn't have a shred of integrity--look at him now, he's losing, he's going to lose--and he's going around blatantly telling lies about voter fraud. Disgusting. There is not going to be voter fraud--it's just another big lie/conspiracy story from a man and a party and conservatives who make fools of themselves--and this country's democratic process--by feeding on this nonsense. It's shameful.

Conservatives try to turn every progressive idea they don't like, every election they're going to lose, every Democratic initiative, into some sort of conspiracy/outrage--because the right-wing media harps on certain topics day after day, knowing that if it does, goobers will pick up on it. That is why goobers pretended to be outraged by the Affordable Care Act when in fact they knowing about it at all--they just start parroting right-wing media. The right wing has become unbalanced and dangerous because it would rather spread lies and nonsense than respect our democracy and lose with integrity. The whole idea that Clinton should be in jail--it is so utterly disrespectful, so utterly stupid and dishonest, it is beyond comprehension that a presidential candidate would around talking like that--and inciting crowds with crass talk and lies. If you want to talk about jail, Trump is the one who ACTUALLY scammed hard-working people out of money with his real-estate seminar fraud. That's real. Most of the accusations about Clinton are made up nonsense. There is a difference between making an honest mistake and being a dishonest scumbag who likes cheating people. Learn the difference, see the difference.


Why don't you show some character and courage and stick around and tell us how Clinton "may have some faults" in light of everything we all know about her.

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Here's your hero - hates the US, is our enemy, but you guys celebrate him because he's trying to help trump:

David Leigh and Luke Harding’s history of WikiLeaks describes how journalists took Assange to Moro’s, a classy Spanish restaurant in central London. A reporter worried that Assange would risk killing Afghans who had co-operated with American forces if he put US secrets online without taking the basic precaution of removing their names. “Well, they’re informants,” Assange replied. “So, if they get killed, they’ve got it coming to them. They deserve it.” A silence fell on the table as the reporters realised that the man the gullible hailed as the pioneer of a new age of transparency was willing to hand death lists to psychopaths. They persuaded Assange to remove names before publishing the State Department Afghanistan cables. But Assange’s disillusioned associates suggest that the failure to expose “informants” niggled in his mind.

Was not a big fan of wikileaks whenever they were leaking information that exposed American military or American espionage efforts.  Not a fan for 2 reasons.  First of all, as you point out, could get one of the good guys killed and there is no need for that.  Second, it was pointing out how bad we were at securing channels of information, and we should never had let things get that bad.

What wikileaks is doing now is not equivalent in any shape or form.   I certainly do not think that Assange gets a free pass on the past.  

All that said, Clinton has done this to herself.  It is literally funny that she should have been openly charged by the FBI and DOJ with mishandling of information.  It is that very own information that is now becoming her own undoing.  I have no problem with exposing just how corrupt Washington DC has become.  This election is no longer about Trump winning or not.  It is about cleaning out the corruption.

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All that said, Clinton has done this to herself.  It is literally funny that she should have been openly charged by the FBI and DOJ with mishandling of information.  It is that very own information that is now becoming her own undoing.  I have no problem with exposing just how corrupt Washington DC has become.  This election is no longer about Trump winning or not.  It is about cleaning out the corruption.


I agree with part in red.  The part in black is wishful thinking, IMHO.


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I'm all for completely burning down our entrenched GOP, and Dem political power structure, and pissing on the ashes. We are with some glaring exceptions, a free thinking, independent, hard working bunch of Capitalist that believe hard work, and responsible behavior result in a better life. Blow up the political and bureaucratic system and replace those entrenched politicians with citizen politicians that are beholden to nobody besides their constituents, and the Constitution.  

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Absolutely spot-on piece by Victor Davis Hansen.  What bothers me most about this election is that the media has finally come out of the liberal closet and nobody seems to care.  There is no accountability for an entire institution to have abandoned its core principles to the obvious and huge detriment of the country.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441158/presidential-election-2016-media-political-institutions-wikileaks-hillary-clinton

The infamous neutron bomb was designed to melt human flesh without damaging infrastructure. Something like it has blown up lots of people in the 2016 election and left behind empty institutions. After the current campaign — the maverick Trump candidacy, the Access Hollywood Trump tape, the FBI scandal, the Freedom of Information Act revelations, the WikiLeaks insider scoops on the Clinton campaign, the hacked e-mails, the fraudulent pay-for-play culture of the Clinton Foundation — the nuked political infrastructure may look the same. But almost everyone involved in the election has been neutroned. In theory, there are nominally still such things as a D.C. establishment, the Republican party, still abstractions known as “fact-checking,” still something in theory called “debate moderators,” still ex-presidents’ “foundations.” But, in fact, after this campaign, these are now mere radiated shells. Who are the big losers of 2016, besides the two candidates themselves? 

The D.C. ‘establishment’ and its ‘elites’

Collate the Podesta e-mails. Read Colin Powell’s hacked communications. Review Hillary’s Wall Street speeches and the electronic exchanges between the media, the administration, and the Clinton campaign. The conclusion is an incestuous world of hypocrisy, tsk-tsking condescension, sanitized shake-downs, inside profiteering, snobby high entertainment — and often crimes that would put anyone else in jail. The players are also quite boring and predictable. They live in a confined coastal cocoon. They went largely to the same schools, intermarried, traveled back and forth between big government, big banks, big military, big Wall Street, and big media — and sound quite clever without being especially bright, attuned to social justice but without character. Their religion is not so much progressivism, as appearing cool and hip and “right” on the issues. In this private world, off the record, Latinos are laughed off as “needy”; Catholics are derided as near medieval and in need of progressive tutoring on gay issues. Hillary is deemed a grifter — but only for greedily draining the cash pools of the elite speaker circuit to the detriment of her emulators. Money — Podesta’s Putin oil stocks, Russian autocrats’ huge donations in exchange for deference from the Department of State, Gulf-oil-state-supplied free jet travel, Hillary’s speaking fees — is the lubricant that makes the joints of these rusted people move. A good Ph.D. thesis could chart the number of Washington, D.C., insider flunkies who ended up working for Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac or Goldman Sachs — the dumping grounds of the well-connected and mediocre. In this world, there are Bill and Hillary, the Podesta brothers, Huma Abedin and Anthony Weiner, Christiane Amanpour and Jamie Rubin, Samantha Power and Cass Sunstein, Andrea Mitchell and Alan Greenspan, and on and on. Jorge Ramos goes after Trump; his daughter works for Hillary; and his boss at Univision badgers the Clinton campaign to stay lax on open borders — the lifeblood that nourishes his non-English-speaking money machine. George Stephanopoulos, who helped run the Clinton campaign and White House, and who as a debate moderator obsessed over Mitt Romney’s answers to abortion hypotheticals, is the disinterested ABC News chief anchor. CNN vice president Virginia Moseley is married to Hillary Clinton’s former deputy secretary at the State Department Tom Nides (now of Morgan Stanley) — suggesting “The Clinton News Network” is not really a right-wing joke. Former ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, a —  pre-Benghazi — regular on the Sunday talk shows.   CBS president David Rhodes is the sibling of aspiring novelist Ben Rhodes, Obama’s deputy national security adviser for “strategic communications and Speechwriting,” whatever that fictive title means. ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman married former White House press secretary Jay Carney (now senior vice president for “worldwide corporate affairs” at Amazon: not just “corporate affairs” or “worldwide affairs” but “worldwide corporate affairs”). And on and on. Is there a rule somewhere that requires a media kingpin to be married to a political operative or government official or like kind? These nice people report on each other. They praise each other, award each other, make money together, and bristle with each other when they are collectively and pejoratively dubbed the “elites.” They write and sound off about the buffoon Trump and preen in sanctimonious moral outrage, as the rest of the country sees this supposedly lavishly robed imperial class as embarrassingly naked. If our version of El Escorial continues, something like the prognathic Habsburg jaw may begin to appear as an elite D.C. marker. As administration officials go in and out of lucrative banking, foundations, academia, and Wall Street posts, the idea of a permanent New York or Washington “power couple” or “power family” becomes more banal. Is there a rule somewhere that requires a media kingpin to be married to a political operative or government official or like kind? Can an opinion journalist not be actively involved, whether overtly or stealthily, in an ongoing campaign or married to a consultant who is? Is there a retiring high official who just goes home and calls it quits after his public service? Is Nebraska, Carson City, or Mississippi such an awful place after Chevy Chase, Georgetown, or Dupont Circle?

The Republican Party

What exactly is the Republican party? Has it any coherence or unity or shared ideas? Is it for legally enforced borders or “let the market adjudicate” free passage of inexpensive labor between countries? Fair or free trade? Assimilation and integration, or identity-politics lite? Cashing in on government service or against emeriti lobbying? Does it embrace traditional values or a slight slowing of the descent of popular culture? Does it want to reverse big government or ratchet it down somewhat? Is it against $1 trillion deficits, but okay with $500 million ones? Does it believe losing the presidential election nobly is preferable to winning it ugly? Does Obamacare need a tweak or two? Is it for a Jacksonian, don’t tread-on-me foreign policy, or isolationism, or neocon nation building — all, some, or none? Are Trump’s private boorishness and crudity worse for Republicans than Clinton’s now quite public corruption and dishonesty? Atheist free-market conservatives seem to despise Trump’s vulgarity more than do Christian Evangelicals — not necessarily on the grounds that they are less likely to say such Trumpian things in their own private lives than are fundamentalists, but because they find him so very gauche. No one quite knows what the party will become after Donald Trump sprinted away with the Republican nomination and then discovered that most of the Republican establishment, implicitly and explicitly, would rather lose to Hillary Clinton than win with him. Many said they quit the Republican party when Trump was nominated, as many perhaps will quietly quit when it returns to normalcy. After the election, don’t expect a rapid reconciliation. The Trump base, often in nihilistic fashion, does not wish to be part of Paul Ryan’s pragmatic world; and those who identify with the culture of the Wall Street Journal and the Chamber of Commerce have no desire to be seen with the NASCAR and tea-party crowd. For fleeting moments in the primaries a Marco Rubio or Scott Walker posed as a Reaganesque uniter, only to implode under national scrutiny and candidate infighting.

The Presidential ‘Foundation’

The presidential foundation is now a parody of itself. The Clinton Foundation Syndicate served largely as a sinecure for Clinton hangers-on between elections who were apparently otherwise unemployable. It offered free jet travel for the Clinton family. It oiled pay-for-play donations that would spin off into private speaking and consulting gigs for the insatiable Bill and Hillary. Oil profits —  from Russia, the Persian Gulf, and the autocracies of the former Soviet Union — fueled the Clinton cash nexus. (How odd to oppose domestic fracking but to welcome carbon cash from medieval foreign petro-nations.) Many Republicans damn conservatives who would hold their nose and vote Trump in hopes of saving the Supreme Court or stopping the socialization of the federal government. They should spend a quarter of their time writing about the Clinton Foundation. In the past 50 years, have we ever seen anything quite like the listing of VIP foundation donors by name so they could cash in on Haitian relief contracts to pick over the carcass of a ravaged, impoverished nation — or blatant requests to medieval sheikdoms to send million-dollar presents or free jet service to the ex-president, the message routed by way of his secretary of state spouse? Dick Nixon would not have found a way to enrich himself on the backs of the Haitian refugees or think out loud about assassinating a troublesome political opponent. There are three models for ex-presidents and their foundations. One is Jimmy Carter’s sanctimonious progressivism — of setting up a quite legitimate “center,” staying active in politics, and assuming a (sometimes tiring) role as senior citizen of the world who globetrots and editorializes on how humanity has disappointed him. A second is more or less genuine retirement in the fashion of George H. W. and George W. Bush; their respective foundations and libraries are largely apolitical. Neither comments much on contemporary politics, nor do they trash their successors. Painting or sky-diving is preferable to returning to the campaign trail or slicing Obama. The third is the Bill/Hillary Clinton paradigm of non-stop electioneering, tawdry enrichment, and massaging the office of president emeritus and a presidential foundation to feather one’s nest. Barack Obama will choose one of these three models, but it is likely that the most lucrative Clinton paradigm is now utterly discredited.

‘Fact-checking’

Few any longer believe in fact-checking, largely because it was exposed as an arm of progressive campaigns. The embarrassing recent statements of Dean Baquet, executive editor of the New York Times, were a frightening synopsis of rank bias defined up as disinterested audit. So were the obsequious check-ins by toady journalists with the Clinton campaign to remind Podesta, Inc. of their own lack of ethics. Fact-checkers inordinately go after conservatives. Or they make up rules about what constitute “facts” as they go along, providing context and supposed noble intent to water down progressive inaccuracies. Or they use adverbs like “mostly” to suggest that false liberal assertions are “mostly” true and other accurate statements of non-liberals are “mostly” false. Fact-checking is postmodern truth that depends on who says something and for what purpose. When Hillary Clinton in the second debate directed the audience to her own website to “fact-check” Trump, we came full circle from naiveté to farce. Fact-checking might have been a neutral concept, not inherently better or worse than the original “facts” themselves — given that it is entirely predicated on the character and ability of those who fact-check (who, as we see from WikiLeaks, can be just as sanctimonious and deceitful as the politicians they audit). Fact-checking in the age of the Internet arena will go the way of America Online or Myspace.

Debate Moderators

There are no such persons any longer as “debate moderators.” The enterprise has devolved into artifice, in which the moderator is supposed to argue with the conservative candidate, “fact-check” him or her in mediis rebus, while being deferential to the like-minded progressive candidate. Debate moderators follow assumed premises: an Anderson Cooper, Candy Crawley, Lester Holt, or Martha Raddatz envision themselves as crusaders hammering away at selfish and dangerous conservatives, in behalf of an ignorant audience that needs their enlightened help to avoid being duped. In a few of the worst cases, a scheduled debate question is leaked to the liberal candidate to ensure she is not embarrassed. If a conservative candidate seems to have tied his opponent, the liberal moderator — witness a Matt Lauer — is considered a sell-out, soon to be shunned by the right people. Most are thus deterred from moderating “incorrectly.” After 2016, we should either let the candidates go at it, or, better yet, let robot time keepers run things. The 2016 campaign is not quite over, and there are a few neutron bombs left to go off — but for many of our accustomed fixtures it is too late. They are nuked, and nothing remains but their shells.

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Absolutely spot-on piece by Victor Davis Hansen.  What bothers me most about this election is that the media has finally come out of the liberal closet and nobody seems to care.  There is no accountability for an entire institution to have abandoned its core principles to the obvious and huge detriment of the country.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441158/presidential-election-2016-media-political-institutions-wikileaks-hillary-clinton

The infamous neutron bomb was designed to melt human flesh without damaging infrastructure. Something like it has blown up lots of people in the 2016 election and left behind empty institutions. After the current campaign — the maverick Trump candidacy, the Access Hollywood Trump tape, the FBI scandal, the Freedom of Information Act revelations, the WikiLeaks insider scoops on the Clinton campaign, the hacked e-mails, the fraudulent pay-for-play culture of the Clinton Foundation — the nuked political infrastructure may look the same. But almost everyone involved in the election has been neutroned. In theory, there are nominally still such things as a D.C. establishment, the Republican party, still abstractions known as “fact-checking,” still something in theory called “debate moderators,” still ex-presidents’ “foundations.” But, in fact, after this campaign, these are now mere radiated shells. Who are the big losers of 2016, besides the two candidates themselves? 

The D.C. ‘establishment’ and its ‘elites’

Collate the Podesta e-mails. Read Colin Powell’s hacked communications. Review Hillary’s Wall Street speeches and the electronic exchanges between the media, the administration, and the Clinton campaign. The conclusion is an incestuous world of hypocrisy, tsk-tsking condescension, sanitized shake-downs, inside profiteering, snobby high entertainment — and often crimes that would put anyone else in jail. The players are also quite boring and predictable. They live in a confined coastal cocoon. They went largely to the same schools, intermarried, traveled back and forth between big government, big banks, big military, big Wall Street, and big media — and sound quite clever without being especially bright, attuned to social justice but without character. Their religion is not so much progressivism, as appearing cool and hip and “right” on the issues. In this private world, off the record, Latinos are laughed off as “needy”; Catholics are derided as near medieval and in need of progressive tutoring on gay issues. Hillary is deemed a grifter — but only for greedily draining the cash pools of the elite speaker circuit to the detriment of her emulators. Money — Podesta’s Putin oil stocks, Russian autocrats’ huge donations in exchange for deference from the Department of State, Gulf-oil-state-supplied free jet travel, Hillary’s speaking fees — is the lubricant that makes the joints of these rusted people move. A good Ph.D. thesis could chart the number of Washington, D.C., insider flunkies who ended up working for Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac or Goldman Sachs — the dumping grounds of the well-connected and mediocre. In this world, there are Bill and Hillary, the Podesta brothers, Huma Abedin and Anthony Weiner, Christiane Amanpour and Jamie Rubin, Samantha Power and Cass Sunstein, Andrea Mitchell and Alan Greenspan, and on and on. Jorge Ramos goes after Trump; his daughter works for Hillary; and his boss at Univision badgers the Clinton campaign to stay lax on open borders — the lifeblood that nourishes his non-English-speaking money machine. George Stephanopoulos, who helped run the Clinton campaign and White House, and who as a debate moderator obsessed over Mitt Romney’s answers to abortion hypotheticals, is the disinterested ABC News chief anchor. CNN vice president Virginia Moseley is married to Hillary Clinton’s former deputy secretary at the State Department Tom Nides (now of Morgan Stanley) — suggesting “The Clinton News Network” is not really a right-wing joke. Former ABC News executive producer Ian Cameron is married to Susan Rice, a —  pre-Benghazi — regular on the Sunday talk shows.   CBS president David Rhodes is the sibling of aspiring novelist Ben Rhodes, Obama’s deputy national security adviser for “strategic communications and Speechwriting,” whatever that fictive title means. ABC News correspondent Claire Shipman married former White House press secretary Jay Carney (now senior vice president for “worldwide corporate affairs” at Amazon: not just “corporate affairs” or “worldwide affairs” but “worldwide corporate affairs”). And on and on. Is there a rule somewhere that requires a media kingpin to be married to a political operative or government official or like kind? These nice people report on each other. They praise each other, award each other, make money together, and bristle with each other when they are collectively and pejoratively dubbed the “elites.” They write and sound off about the buffoon Trump and preen in sanctimonious moral outrage, as the rest of the country sees this supposedly lavishly robed imperial class as embarrassingly naked. If our version of El Escorial continues, something like the prognathic Habsburg jaw may begin to appear as an elite D.C. marker. As administration officials go in and out of lucrative banking, foundations, academia, and Wall Street posts, the idea of a permanent New York or Washington “power couple” or “power family” becomes more banal. Is there a rule somewhere that requires a media kingpin to be married to a political operative or government official or like kind? Can an opinion journalist not be actively involved, whether overtly or stealthily, in an ongoing campaign or married to a consultant who is? Is there a retiring high official who just goes home and calls it quits after his public service? Is Nebraska, Carson City, or Mississippi such an awful place after Chevy Chase, Georgetown, or Dupont Circle?

The Republican Party

What exactly is the Republican party? Has it any coherence or unity or shared ideas? Is it for legally enforced borders or “let the market adjudicate” free passage of inexpensive labor between countries? Fair or free trade? Assimilation and integration, or identity-politics lite? Cashing in on government service or against emeriti lobbying? Does it embrace traditional values or a slight slowing of the descent of popular culture? Does it want to reverse big government or ratchet it down somewhat? Is it against $1 trillion deficits, but okay with $500 million ones? Does it believe losing the presidential election nobly is preferable to winning it ugly? Does Obamacare need a tweak or two? Is it for a Jacksonian, don’t tread-on-me foreign policy, or isolationism, or neocon nation building — all, some, or none? Are Trump’s private boorishness and crudity worse for Republicans than Clinton’s now quite public corruption and dishonesty? Atheist free-market conservatives seem to despise Trump’s vulgarity more than do Christian Evangelicals — not necessarily on the grounds that they are less likely to say such Trumpian things in their own private lives than are fundamentalists, but because they find him so very gauche. No one quite knows what the party will become after Donald Trump sprinted away with the Republican nomination and then discovered that most of the Republican establishment, implicitly and explicitly, would rather lose to Hillary Clinton than win with him. Many said they quit the Republican party when Trump was nominated, as many perhaps will quietly quit when it returns to normalcy. After the election, don’t expect a rapid reconciliation. The Trump base, often in nihilistic fashion, does not wish to be part of Paul Ryan’s pragmatic world; and those who identify with the culture of the Wall Street Journal and the Chamber of Commerce have no desire to be seen with the NASCAR and tea-party crowd. For fleeting moments in the primaries a Marco Rubio or Scott Walker posed as a Reaganesque uniter, only to implode under national scrutiny and candidate infighting.

The Presidential ‘Foundation’

The presidential foundation is now a parody of itself. The Clinton Foundation Syndicate served largely as a sinecure for Clinton hangers-on between elections who were apparently otherwise unemployable. It offered free jet travel for the Clinton family. It oiled pay-for-play donations that would spin off into private speaking and consulting gigs for the insatiable Bill and Hillary. Oil profits —  from Russia, the Persian Gulf, and the autocracies of the former Soviet Union — fueled the Clinton cash nexus. (How odd to oppose domestic fracking but to welcome carbon cash from medieval foreign petro-nations.) Many Republicans damn conservatives who would hold their nose and vote Trump in hopes of saving the Supreme Court or stopping the socialization of the federal government. They should spend a quarter of their time writing about the Clinton Foundation. In the past 50 years, have we ever seen anything quite like the listing of VIP foundation donors by name so they could cash in on Haitian relief contracts to pick over the carcass of a ravaged, impoverished nation — or blatant requests to medieval sheikdoms to send million-dollar presents or free jet service to the ex-president, the message routed by way of his secretary of state spouse? Dick Nixon would not have found a way to enrich himself on the backs of the Haitian refugees or think out loud about assassinating a troublesome political opponent. There are three models for ex-presidents and their foundations. One is Jimmy Carter’s sanctimonious progressivism — of setting up a quite legitimate “center,” staying active in politics, and assuming a (sometimes tiring) role as senior citizen of the world who globetrots and editorializes on how humanity has disappointed him. A second is more or less genuine retirement in the fashion of George H. W. and George W. Bush; their respective foundations and libraries are largely apolitical. Neither comments much on contemporary politics, nor do they trash their successors. Painting or sky-diving is preferable to returning to the campaign trail or slicing Obama. The third is the Bill/Hillary Clinton paradigm of non-stop electioneering, tawdry enrichment, and massaging the office of president emeritus and a presidential foundation to feather one’s nest. Barack Obama will choose one of these three models, but it is likely that the most lucrative Clinton paradigm is now utterly discredited.

‘Fact-checking’

Few any longer believe in fact-checking, largely because it was exposed as an arm of progressive campaigns. The embarrassing recent statements of Dean Baquet, executive editor of the New York Times, were a frightening synopsis of rank bias defined up as disinterested audit. So were the obsequious check-ins by toady journalists with the Clinton campaign to remind Podesta, Inc. of their own lack of ethics. Fact-checkers inordinately go after conservatives. Or they make up rules about what constitute “facts” as they go along, providing context and supposed noble intent to water down progressive inaccuracies. Or they use adverbs like “mostly” to suggest that false liberal assertions are “mostly” true and other accurate statements of non-liberals are “mostly” false. Fact-checking is postmodern truth that depends on who says something and for what purpose. When Hillary Clinton in the second debate directed the audience to her own website to “fact-check” Trump, we came full circle from naiveté to farce. Fact-checking might have been a neutral concept, not inherently better or worse than the original “facts” themselves — given that it is entirely predicated on the character and ability of those who fact-check (who, as we see from WikiLeaks, can be just as sanctimonious and deceitful as the politicians they audit). Fact-checking in the age of the Internet arena will go the way of America Online or Myspace.

Debate Moderators

There are no such persons any longer as “debate moderators.” The enterprise has devolved into artifice, in which the moderator is supposed to argue with the conservative candidate, “fact-check” him or her in mediis rebus, while being deferential to the like-minded progressive candidate. Debate moderators follow assumed premises: an Anderson Cooper, Candy Crawley, Lester Holt, or Martha Raddatz envision themselves as crusaders hammering away at selfish and dangerous conservatives, in behalf of an ignorant audience that needs their enlightened help to avoid being duped. In a few of the worst cases, a scheduled debate question is leaked to the liberal candidate to ensure she is not embarrassed. If a conservative candidate seems to have tied his opponent, the liberal moderator — witness a Matt Lauer — is considered a sell-out, soon to be shunned by the right people. Most are thus deterred from moderating “incorrectly.” After 2016, we should either let the candidates go at it, or, better yet, let robot time keepers run things. The 2016 campaign is not quite over, and there are a few neutron bombs left to go off — but for many of our accustomed fixtures it is too late. They are nuked, and nothing remains but their shells.


Fantastic piece. I wish this could have been read verbatim out loud at the 'debate'.

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MSNBC is saying in post debate, that Trump won't accept election results, and that White Americans will intimidate voters with concealed firearms at polling places. Thanks, that is BS crazy, and can only help the GOP candidate. WTF is going on in our MSM? They are saying civil war is immanent. What are these people attempting to do? Wake up the Dem base? It's already been attempted, and leftist aren't voting for the Dem nominee that cheated, and nullified their vote. WTF are they doing, and for what end? Why are they saying that White people will be starting a civil war? Where the F did that come from? I am thinking that they are completely desperate. Their internal polling must be showing it, or they would be fine with just sitting on their overwhelming lead they continue to predict. Now, it's all about a peaceful transition. Why has this suddenly become a hot topic?
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Now a GOP establishment hack, Steve Schmidt is on MSNBC saying Putin is controlling our elections. He continues that Russia is attempting to  control many free nations in the EU, and that Trump is in collusion with Putin to overthrow the American electorate. Where does this propaganda emanate from? I would say it comes from the propaganda arm of the DNC known as the Free Press. BS, this is beyond a corrupt media. It is a political Coup attempt.
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What else would you expect from the Most Slanted Network Behind Clinton?


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Now a GOP establishment hack, Steve Schmidt is on MSNBC saying Putin is controlling our elections. He continues that Russia is attempting to  control many free nations in the EU, and that Trump is in collusion with Putin to overthrow the American electorate. Where does this propaganda emanate from? I would say it comes from the propaganda arm of the DNC known as the Free Press. BS, this is beyond a corrupt media. It is a political Coup attempt.


There is no call for this sort of garbage either.
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MSM has been the worst this election cycle.  Just despicable.
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Interview Bill Clinton.  Bill brings up subject of rape.  Reporter fails to ask Clinton about his rape charges.  

It is clear they agenda they push.

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