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TylerDurden

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What keeps my curiosity going on this subject is why there are those who feel they must explain their refusal to vote for Donald.  Why must they write articles explaining themselves as we just read? 


Seems some democrats feel the need to write articles as well:

http://time.com/4177436/hillary-clinton-juanita-broaddrick/

But then I saw Juanita Broaddrick tell her story, and I had a physical reaction. In 1999, she described his visit to her hotel room and the sex he forced on her. I sat in my living room watching her describe that rape and I thought: “She’s telling the truth.” My response was not considered; it was visceral. If it’s possible that one woman can listen to another woman tell her story of rape and just sort of know that she’s telling the truth, I had that reaction.

So when Hillary Clinton tells you that “every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed and supported,” realize that what she’s serving up is a classic Clinton dodge. She’s not saying that every woman who reports a sexual assault deserves to be believed. In that case, we would have to believe Paula Jones and Juanita Broaddrick.
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Here's another one...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/04/democrat_jim_webb_i_would_not_vote_for_hillary_clinton.html

Former Virginia Sen. and 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Jim Webb says that he will not vote for Hillary Clinton, but he is still considering Donald Trump. "I would not vote for Hillary Clinton,” Webb said on MSBNC's "Morning Joe" on Friday.

When asked about Trump, Webb replied: I'm not sure yet. I don't know who I'm going to vote for."

“If you're voting for Donald Trump you may get something very good or very bad,” Webb said. “If you're voting for Hillary Clinton, you're going to be getting the same thing.”
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Dewey doesn't understand why people who are paid to write their opinion on politics actually write their opinion on politics.

That's really a tough one, huh?

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Tyler - I agree, it happens on both sides.  Certainly some Democrats feel they need to explain why they won't vote for Bernie or Hillary.  I don't get it.  Nobody has to answer for their non-vote in a Presidential election.

FIB - Not just this writer.  All over the place people appear to be explaining why they won't vote for Trump.  I think it's quite obvious and I don't understand why all the explanations.  Like I said, if he were running on the Democrat side, I wouldn't vote for him either and it would be because he would make a horrible President on behalf of the American people. 
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Tyler - I agree, it happens on both sides.  Certainly some Democrats feel they need to explain why they won't vote for Bernie or Hillary.  I don't get it.  Nobody has to answer for their non-vote in a Presidential election. 


Well that is certainly not what you said the first time.  Just wanted to let you know there are plenty of articles explaining why people don't want to vote for Hillary either.
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What I wrote the first time is still there for all to read.  If you didn't understand my point, there's little more I can do.  Nobody should feel pressured to justify their non-vote for a President.  It seems everywhere we turn somebody is explaining why they won't vote for Trump.  Totally unnecessary from my perspective because many of us know full well why they won't vote for Trump. 
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What I wrote the first time is still there for all to read.  If you didn't understand my point, there's little more I can do.  Nobody should feel pressured to justify their non-vote for a President.  It seems everywhere we turn somebody is explaining why they won't vote for Trump.  Totally unnecessary from my perspective because many of us know full well why they won't vote for Trump. 


I understood you were trying to disparage Trump.  It just seems everywhere we turn somebody is explaining whey they won't vote for Hillary.  Totally unnecessary from my perspective because many of know full well why they won't vote for Hillary.
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I could never vote for hilLIARy, she would make a horrible president for the American people.
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I understood you were trying to disparage Trump.  You understood wrong.  First mikec appeared to be under pressure to explain why he wouldn't vote for Trump.  Then this writer felt he had to explain why he wouldn't vote for Trump.  I see these people on TV too.  It's a new theme this year that I don't understand and I posted such in my comment.  Don't go searching for things not there. 
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Tyler - I agree, it happens on both sides.  Certainly some Democrats feel they need to explain why they won't vote for Bernie or Hillary.  I don't get it.  Nobody has to answer for their non-vote in a Presidential election.

FIB - Not just this writer.  All over the place people appear to be explaining why they won't vote for Trump.  I think it's quite obvious and I don't understand why all the explanations.  Like I said, if he were running on the Democrat side, I wouldn't vote for him either and it would be because he would make a horrible President on behalf of the American people


Can't make this up, folks:

Here is our resident genius saying he doesn't understand why people are explaining why they won't vote for Trump, and then in the same paragraph explains why he won't vote for Trump!!
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To add, he's been going all day about how he doesn't understand why people are going public with their political opinions.
You'd think a self-proclaimed political junkie would understand they are trying to persuade people toward the same belief, in this case persuade people to not vote for Trump.
In the end it's really no different than explaining why one might vote for a candidate, which Dewey was never shy about when it came to Obama.
Why did Dewey feel so compelled to explain why he would vote for someone, and now can't understand others (himself included, lol) who explain why they won't vote for someone?
This is the mind of a political junkie? [eek][crazy]
 

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I was stating the obvious.  Again, why would folks ask mikec why he won't vote for Trump?  Why do so many, like this writer and others I've seen, feel obligated to explain it?  When somebody says they aren't voting for Trump, isn't it clear?  I was simply answering the question in the event some people are still bewildered at to why some aren't voting for Trump.  I was being courteous.  I wouldn't feel a need to go out of my way to say why I wasn't voting for Trump, nor would I expect anyone to ask me.  At this point in the race, it's pretty clear why some say "no" to Trump as President. 
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Garbled mess ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  

If dewy is a political junkie, I'm glad I'm not one.  dewy is the queen of questions but questions other's ability and motive to ask questions.  Dewy, Queen of Questions.  Questions will be delegated to only those authorized to ask questions.

Who asked mike why he wasn't voting for trump?  Why do you ask so many questions that you have to number them in a thread topic?  dewy you're a dumbass, add that to your list
 

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First mikec appeared to be under pressure to explain why he wouldn't vote for Trump.


Show us where and who that put this extreme pressure on mikec.  Back up your talk or get the hell out of here libtard

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Let me be clear about what I perceive before I take off for softball.  I'm sensing a lot of Republicans out there who are planning to vote for Trump because they're embarrassed not to.  That's how I see it.  Otherwise, it seems they'll be expected to "write a letter", or whatever, to explain their actions.  Just my opinion from what I've observed to date.
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dewy are you upset that another thread wasn't started with your name on it?  Are you jealous that mikec got some attention and for once you didn't have a thread about you so you made the thread about you?

I'll vote for trump because I don't want that lying biitch hilLIARry  in office.  A lot of democrats have supported trump already, they didn't line up with the lying biitch like you are.  We'll do what it takes to keep the lying biitch out of office.  Now run along, we get more accomplished without your stupidity.

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Let me be clear about what I perceive before I take off for softball.  I'm sensing a lot of Republicans out there who are planning to vote for Trump because they're embarrassed not to.  That's how I see it.  Otherwise, it seems they'll be expected to "write a letter", or whatever, to explain their actions.  Just my opinion from what I've observed to date.


Another science fiction statement.  Are you sensing it or have you observed it?  I have not seen one person intimate that voting for Trump is due to embarrassment.  Tell us whether this is something you've observed or if this was hatched completely out of your own imagination.

Here is what I perceive.  Democrats are in a complete panic because they only have two horrible candidates from which to choose.  You have a geriatric socialist who wants to enact programs that will double the national debt.  You have an establishment candidate who very well may be indicted because of her email scandal and who many Democrats don't trust.  That is why the media has gone very easy on Trump.  They see Trump as the one candidate that either of the Dem candidates can beat.  They media is holding a lot of Trump baggage until he becomes the GOP nominee.  Unlike your fantasy above, these perceptions are backed up by actual things people have said.
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Let me be clear clear as mud about what I perceive before I take off for softball.  I'm sensing a lot of Republicans out there who are planning to vote for Trump because they're embarrassed not to.  That's how I see it.  Otherwise, it seems they'll be expected to "write a letter", or whatever, to explain their actions.  Just my opinion from what I've observed to date.


you've been schooled so much in the last week on what you perceived to observe that for you to tell us your perceptions any longer is an exercise in futility.  No one cares what you perceive or what you observe.  Your opinions, just like the national pundits are of little thought on who and why people will vote for trump.  If someone seeks trump opinions or trump voter's opinions, we'll ask bluedog.

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pabar, he's back on that lemming thing.  he's phucking with me here about it because it's a thread not about him but a conversation I tried to have about mike and those like mike.  dewy can converse on trump threads but he chooses to converse about trump on a non-trump thread.  dewy's nothing more than trying to be significant, which he's not.
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Here's another one...
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/04/democrat_jim_webb_i_would_not_vote_for_hillary_clinton.html

Former Virginia Sen. and 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Jim Webb says that he will not vote for Hillary Clinton, but he is still considering Donald Trump. "I would not vote for Hillary Clinton,” Webb said on MSBNC's "Morning Joe" on Friday.

When asked about Trump, Webb replied: I'm not sure yet. I don't know who I'm going to vote for."

“If you're voting for Donald Trump you may get something very good or very bad,” Webb said. “If you're voting for Hillary Clinton, you're going to be getting the same thing.”


I like how the resident, "why do they explain" expert, skipped right over this one.



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FTR - I am not feeling any pressure by anyone.
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FTR - I am not feeling any pressure by anyone.



mikec - I'm glad that's the case.  I read these sentences below and thought some might find this as unfair pressure...


"I get it Mike but what you're essentially saying is you prefer Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump.  I don't."

"Make no mistake, not voting should Trump get the nomination, is a vote for Hillary."
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Well Dewey, clearly you are wrong once again. [rofl]
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Where's little Rubio?.......Can't find him on TV anywhere this morning.......
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mikec - I'm glad that's the case.  I read these sentences below and thought some might find this as unfair pressure...


"I get it Mike but what you're essentially saying is you prefer Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump.  I don't."

"Make no mistake, not voting should Trump get the nomination, is a vote for Hillary."


Did you see it in his heart Dewey?

Most of us here can take a little back and forth and not feel "pressured".
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mikec - I'm glad that's the case.  I read these sentences below and thought some might find this as unfair pressure...


"I get it Mike but what you're essentially saying is you prefer Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump.  I don't."

"Make no mistake, not voting should Trump get the nomination, is a vote for Hillary."


dewy has admitted and it has been shown, that he applies pressure on folks to answer his stoopid ass questions than anyone has ever put on mikec.  dewy you have loose marbles rolling around in that cranium of yours.



Dewy seems so concerned about pressure and who can or will apply it

pabar - Proof is difficult when it comes to opinions but if you're that concerned about proving my theory wrong, you could explain to readers why one poster had no problem providing four serious answers to some issues while you and others chose not to.  I believe the pressure of going against the Conservative grain is significant, particularly in our forum.  If you have an alternative explanation, feel free to counter my conclusions.

woody - You're aways quite clear.  Thanks for that.  Then again, you're not running for anything so there's no pressure to be coy.

10er - That's fair.  Joisey does receive a lot of pressure to clarify if he's left or right and I would advise him to keep it vague. 

keepinitreal - I think we're on the same page so not sure why you're calling me out.  You never saw me call for the release of Romney's tax returns.  I'll leave that to the primary Obama campaign to keep pressure on as they see fit.  As advice, I said if there was anything embarrassing in the returns, it's probably best if he doesn't release them.  If not, the hit he's taking from all sides is probably not worth it and he should release them.  He is the only one who can decide.  Whether it be me or your author linked, we just don't know what would be best for him.  We don't have the info to make the call.

As for jumping around to different subjects to bash a candidate or a President, it's been done here for nearly four years.  A poster bashes Obama, my side does the best it can to counter the accuracy, and the poster jumps to a new attack.  If one doesn't work as well as you'd like, move to the next.  You seem to think one side and one side only does this.  The Obama campaign should maintain the pressure and keep Romney on the defensive.   

One of my favorites

mikec - I'm often challenged to support what I post and I do admit to firmly challenging you and others to do the same.  Nothing wrong there, from what I can see, but I won't call you and others "moronic" or other negative names.  I think you fail to see the distinction between hardball and disrespect.  I understand many think if they're in no position to answer a question I submit, or simply don't want to, and I apply pressure, then it must be considered condescending.  I get that people think that way but I don't agree with their assessment.

Another favorite

I'll briefly repeat what I've already said.  If you want to flail away at our President, mock a group of people, or simply share your political opinions, be prepared to be challenged.  Don't be naive, it's going to happen.  I'll ask the members who get irritated by my posts that I find the "gee whiz" Dewey, you're being too challenging completely ridiculous, considering all that goes on inside here.  The crying over the pressure I often put forth in obtaining answers to my questions is incredible.  If I think I don't get the answer to the question I ask, I am going to pursue it, period.  For those who are my friends in this forum, please don't think my challenging debate in any way represents what I think of you as a person.  There's been dozens over the years playing hard line offense against the Left inside here and portraying the few who defend as the "bad guys" is simply unbelievable. 


bhblue -

Another poster suggested we have zero influence on anyone.  If that's the case, then what we do here is simply whining.  I disagree with this poster and I'm challenging others to speak up as well.  Unfortunately, they can't disagree with another member.  I post here to influence, not whine, and I simply wanted to know what 10er's purpose is.  On the one hand, you can't admit to 'whining" because that would be embarrassing.  However, you can't agree with Dewey and suggest we are posting with a purpose, because that would go against another Conservative's point, so, instead, we stay on the fence and refuse to give an opinion.  You have learned by now I like to pressure someone into taking a clear stance rather than remaining vague.  You know, kind of like what Governor Romney should do more of.

Applying pressure to mikec but doesn't want anyone else to apply pressure to mikec

mikec - I'm not bitter over it any more than someone who continuously claims the media is two faced might be considered bitter.  Exposing what we believe to be flaws of one side or the other is what we do around here.  Besides, it was a lot more than a few folks.  I'm simply showing how quickly many Conservatives jump from an issue when it's applicable to someone on their side.  They zip up tight.  

If the world has moved on as you say, it would be pretty simple for people to say it's perfectly OK if Cruz is born in Canada or to say they think our President should be US born.  Just give an opinion already.  You gotta admit, people in here have an opinion on everything else we talk about and you'd think they'd have an opinion on this too.  I understand they can't predict what the SC might say but to have no opinion?  Not a chance.  A decision was made for nobody to answer so I thought I'd apply a little pressure.  I can't make members offer up an opinion but I can expose to our readers this unusual avoidance to a subject they used to have an opinion on. 

He admits his pressure is annoying below, wow


I can see some of you are becoming exhausted [smile] so I'll ask you to look at these discussions from my perspective.  Take this argument for example.  People keep repeating this President got elected and then proceeded to spend three or four trillion extra dollars to run up a $16 Trillion debt.  It's here, it's on TV, it's everywhere.  When I'm able to prove this isn't the case, if only someone will look at the history and then share what they think the actual spending should have been, and everyone refuses, it's very frustrating.  I have the proof and no one will submit an answer and let me illustrate it.  Yes, I do ratchet up the pressure a bit and I know I'm annoying for doing such.  I get it.  But it also helps substantiate the point I'm trying to make.  I have many other similar examples I could cite but I suppose many of you will disagree.  As always, the readers will decide.

another

pabar - That's why I tried to move most of this to my thread.  As always, you're under no obligation to give your opinion.  I didn't use any personal insults.  I said it appeared nobody could form an opinion, (talking about this Cruz issue), and I don't see where I was wrong in that assessment.  Well mikec has since chimed in so there's one.  Just a little pressure for a group intent on ignoring me.  Nothing more.


kiir - I don't see anything wrong with what you just said though I'm not 100% sure I understand your point.  If you're going to join a forum with comments, be prepared for somebody to ask why you say what you say.  That's the nature of the beast.

Since January of 2009, my Party has taken some pretty good shots inside here and while I don't "have to", I've taken it upon myself to challenge these criticisms.  Sure I pressure people to substantiate their comments but, as you often see, members aren't forced to explain why they believe what they believe.  It's all voluntary.  As for sharing beliefs with strangers, if all your political philosophies are born strictly from family, is that necessarily a good thing?  I don't know. 

Edit:  I see you clarified a bit more and I'll respond.  If you think two people can come into what is a public forum and discuss how bad President Obama is as a President, and ask other people like me to simply ignore the exchange, you are in the wrong forum. 

 ForeverInBlue

"We don't know what to say" is Dewey code for "No one has given me the answer I want." It's not incumbent on anyone to give a "Dewey approved" response.


I disagree.  No opinion was ever supplied to the direct question posed.  All that we ever get in return is ant-Obama comments over and over.  I'll continue to share with the readers the many questions some on the Right will refuse to answer in order to expose their "it's Obama's fault" accusations as being ludicrous.  It's the only way to get past this never-ending Obama bashing campaign.  However, everyone remains free to avoid giving an opinion.  In the end, it helps solidify my point.  Hopefully when our readers discuss politics with their family and friends, and ask if the Speaker and the House knew about these wait times growing and growing, they'll better understand the meaning of "no direct response".


spazsdad - You mean as opposed to delusional, dishonest, and disgusting?  I'm not here to rate my opinions as being any higher grade than the opposition, but I don't hesitate to note how much more willing I am to share them when asked or, often times, when not asked.  I've asked on numerous occasions to pick out a post of mine you think I presented poorly and share with me how I could have said it better.  I'm open to being criticized when specifics are presented.  I fully realize when I'm being ignored, like the opinion I'm asking for in this thread, I can emphasize it over and over and this probably makes some of you on the Right uncomfortable.  Maybe you can understand without the pressure, I'm never going to get a direct response.  I can respect that some of you don't like it when I do this but I hope you can understand the reasoning behind the relentlessness.

Point made, dewy can apply pressure to mikec but no one else


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What I wrote the first time is still there for all to read.  If you didn't understand my point, there's little more I can do.  Nobody should feel pressured to justify their non-vote for a President.  It seems everywhere we turn somebody is explaining why they won't vote for Trump.  Totally unnecessary from my perspective because many of us know full well why they won't vote for Trump. 


Why shouldn't they feel pressured?  Pressure seemed to be a pretty significant strategy for you in the past.  Why the change in tactics?

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Edit II:  I'm also not implying that was the intention of this particular thread.  This article supports those like mikec.


No schitt sherlock

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Scott Brown was on, and said that, if that holds true and Trump were to lose, it will be the fault of all of the GOP voters who don't coalesce around Trump.

I say it is on the hands of those who made Trump the nominee, and people like Scott Brown, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, and almost all of the Fox News pundits can go to hell.


I completely agree.  If Trump loses to Hillary, the loss of the Presidency will be due to those who voted for Trump, not those who refused to vote for Trump.  As I've been saying, voters need to dismiss these "completely off the mark" comments from the Scott Brown's of the world.
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If Trump beats Hillary, the loss of the Presidency will be due to those who voted for Hillary, not those who refuse to vote for Hillary. 
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