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jayrot

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Hey, I'm new to the board, and all that implies, but my take from this string was that I saw a composed young woman speak of her situation, and then show us some data about why she believed there's a problem.  I was impressed by her willingness to stand in front of an audience and talk about her weaknesses.

After reading this string, I've read many personal, anonymous, opinions, but many just take shots at her, and not a few engage in the name-calling associated with today's charged political rhetoric.  I didn't come away feeling persuaded that her points were rebutted in any meaningful or substantive way, with facts.  Do you guys have any data, or other utube Tedx talks, where I can see support for your opinions?

If that's not what this board is about, thanks anyway for reading and I'm sorry to waste your time.


No not directed at you specifically. Just the overall conversation and tone of the people taking sides. It still remains unfathomable to me that not everyone can grasp the concept that people are all different and don't all fall into one way of thinking/behaving (thankfully). Each person will act/react differently to situations and that is fine (for the religious people, there were 12 disciples and they were all different though moving in the same direction). Let each person take their road and realize we aren't all taking the same road (nor should we).

The only problem I really have with this whole conversation is the fact people seem to be demeaning a side of the argument where people are trying to make themselves better (whether it be by your means or theirs). If someone feels medicine and a therapist helps them live a better and more purposeful life, then who am I to degrade that. I've never been to one (maybe I should have, but who knows). And the one caveat being that yes I realize sometimes medicine and these professions are somewhat overreaching.

Now for some God-forsaken reason I've brought myself into this conversation. I gotta learn to stop somehow. Anyone started the softballaholics anonymous group yet?
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Hey, I'm new to the board, and all that implies, but my take from this string was that I saw a composed young woman speak of her situation, and then show us some data about why she believed there's a problem.  I was impressed by her willingness to stand in front of an audience and talk about her weaknesses.
After reading this string, I've read many personal, anonymous, opinions, but many just take shots at her, and not a few engage in the name-calling associated with today's charged political rhetoric.  I didn't come away feeling persuaded that her points were rebutted in any meaningful or substantive way, with facts.  Do you guys have any data, or other utube Tedx talks, where I can see support for your opinions?
If that's not what this board is about, thanks anyway for reading and I'm sorry to waste your time.


I think all here are in agreement it took quite a bit for the young lady to give that talk. Composed?? enough for someone her age sure. 

As far as her data..arbitrary but she got her point across without guessing. Anybody here could interview 1000 D1 athletes and come up with her conclusions. She mentioned her Univ was paying for her meds & therapy...so let's see that number countrywide.

Also not sure any posters even attempted to rebutt her points. I mean, no poster here thinks she's lying. However, there is some consensus her Ted talk was more a D1 athlete explaining why she is depressed & has some mental illness while blaming her coaches, her program, the system, her teammates...but taking no personal responsibility for her actions, other than to say I can't quit because Volleyball is my life. In short, I am afflicted with this Athletes Mental Epidemic which is racing across the country at light speed and nobody is paying attention to me.

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She will most likely come to regret her "coming out". Then again, she may end up on Rachael Maddow. A soft landing spot with a very small audience who cares. 


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No not directed at you specifically. Just the overall conversation and tone of the people taking sides. It still remains unfathomable to me that not everyone can grasp the concept that people are all different and don't all fall into one way of thinking/behaving (thankfully). Each person will act/react differently to situations and that is fine (for the religious people, there were 12 disciples and they were all different though moving in the same direction). Let each person take their road and realize we aren't all taking the same road (nor should we). The only problem I really have with this whole conversation is the fact people seem to be demeaning a side of the argument where people are trying to make themselves better (whether it be by your means or theirs). If someone feels medicine and a therapist helps them live a better and more purposeful life, then who am I to degrade that. I've never been to one (maybe I should have, but who knows). And the one caveat being that yes I realize sometimes medicine and these professions are somewhat overreaching. Now for some God-forsaken reason I've brought myself into this conversation. I gotta learn to stop somehow. Anyone started the softballaholics anonymous group yet?


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Some posters have thanked Hobbes for posting the link to this Ted Talk. I want to thank him as well.
It took much courage for this young woman to put herself center stage - and talk about how she has struggled with all the demands of choosing to try and perform at a very high level as a college athlete - while also trying to perform as a college student who takes her studies seriously. 

There are many college athletes - who do not take the academic portion of this seriously at all. There are college sports programs that allow some athletes to be a huge part of their programs - who don't care at all about gaining anything from college courses or academic studies. Some of these "student" athletes can barely even read. These athletes get by on fake courses - or even fake grades - and are allowed to be huge contributors to their athletic teams... just for the sake of trying to put a winning team on the field (or court). 

Then there is another level of student athlete - who care about studies - just enough to get by... because their primary concern is to just be playing the sport they love in college. They might have had the ability to put much more into their college studies (and gain some valuable knowledge)... but they just did not really care much about that part of the college experience - to put real effort into it. This is by far the largest section of student athletes, imv. 

The student athletes who truly try and get both a great athletic experience and a great academic experience... have to work much harder - because they are attempting to do two tough things - at the same time. Some people are just more gifted in both areas - and can handle this heavy load better than others (who just are not quite so gifted). It is quite understandable when some of these young men or women (who are truly trying to put their very best efforts into both sports and studies) find it a very tough struggle. Some times they discover that trying to do this is much much harder than they ever expected it could be - and things can go south pretty quickly. And even though they are struggling, it can take them a long time to come to the conclusion that they need help. And then when they do finally reach that conclusion... they don't know how to ask for it - or even know where to look for it. Or they may just be too afraid to WANT to ask for any help at all - because of the possible repercussions that may come with doing so.

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Some posters here - have taken the view that this young lady is just being weak. That this is not a mental illness issue. She just needs to buck up. 
She just needs to make a decision on what is best for her - and cut back on one or the other. But, imv, when she is talking about not being able to sleep... and having regular periods of crying for hours at a time... and then progressing to considering the possibility of hurting herself - just to put a stop to all the pressure... 

then that sounds pretty darn serious to me. I am not an expert on mental illness - and I doubt any of you other posters here are either... but I would choose to fall on the side of caution - when someone reveals they have had thoughts of hurting themselves. 

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I do have one point that I'd make about the poll she took - and the stats that were presented that came from that poll. 
First, 100 participants is not a very large sample size. And I have to wonder how each of those 100 people came to be taking the poll. It seems possible that a larger percentage of people who identified with this particular problem might have chosen to participate in such a poll. And if that is the case, then this would surely have skewed the results of such a poll. We would need to know a lot more particulars about this poll - to take the results from it - as being an accurate representation of what is happening on college sports teams.

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In the end, I think it has been quite courageous of her to put herself out there the way she has. That cannot be easy. 
I wish her the best - and I hope just maybe she has helped some others who may have similar struggles. 
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Not one poster has hinted that there isn't mental illness.

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I tell you where this crap is heading. These kids, who claim to develop their mental issues because their schedule is too full, will start dropping lawsuits on their respective universities claiming damages to their "inner self".


Yeah, if you can't see a clear incapability, it can't possibly be real. If they can tie their own shoes, they should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, right? Anything short of slobbering over yourself is an excuse, nothing but malingering.

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My name is Rudy and I'm a post- aholic.


Makes me miss my favorite postaholic.  RIP, Frank!
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Maybe I'm channeling Frank. No disrespect.
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Yeah, if you can't see a clear incapability, it can't possibly be real. If they can tie their own shoes, they should be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, right? Anything short of slobbering over yourself is an excuse, nothing but malingering.



But you know what, if it's that bad, GET OUT. Ye, it's that simple.

She flat stated the CAUSE & EFFECT of her issues WERE the ATHLETICS. 
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Some posters here - have taken the view that this young lady is just being weak. That this is not a mental illness issue. She just needs to buck up. 
She just needs to make a decision on what is best for her - and cut back on one or the other. But, imv, when she is talking about not being able to sleep... and having regular periods of crying for hours at a time... and then progressing to considering the possibility of hurting herself - just to put a stop to all the pressure... BY HLA

Now you got her thinking suicide or hurting herself? Nice stretch HLA.

She specifically mentioned her issues STARTED when she joined the team. So the CAUSE and EFFECT of her issues WERE the ATHLETICS. 

If she wants to get better: QUIT.
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Outoftouch, your act has grown tiresome. What a tough guy you are. You are a disgrace to this board and an embarrassment to humanity. Have another drink, beat your dog and lament your failed life.
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This is all bs. Does anyone get that it was not this tough to play d1 sports even 10 years ago? Where does it end?

I would have quit with much of what I see in college today but it is the students who are the customers. Does not matter what other evidence of toughness or other things that a bunch of retired men want.

Bet if your daughter came home crying you might side with her. Would you just say Quit after all th $$ you spent on travel ball? Can you and her afford the tuition without a scoholly?
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Some posters here - have taken the view that this young lady is just being weak. That this is not a mental illness issue. She just needs to buck up. 
She just needs to make a decision on what is best for her - and cut back on one or the other. But, imv, when she is talking about not being able to sleep... and having regular periods of crying for hours at a time... and then progressing to considering the possibility of hurting herself - just to put a stop to all the pressure... BY HLA

Now you got her thinking suicide or hurting herself? Nice stretch HLA.

She specifically mentioned her issues STARTED when she joined the team. So the CAUSE and EFFECT of her issues WERE the ATHLETICS. 

If she wants to get better: QUIT.


This is about the young woman more than the entire picture, but something is bothering me.  Perhaps I'm not remembering the video, but I recall that she said she got better, while continuing to play.  So why is quitting the solution, when it wasn't hers?
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<< Some posters here - have taken the view that this young lady is just being weak. That this is not a mental illness issue. She just needs to buck up. She just needs to make a decision on what is best for her - and cut back on one or the other. But, imv, when she is talking about not being able to sleep... and having regular periods of crying for hours at a time... and then progressing to considering the possibility of hurting herself - just to put a stop to all the pressure... 

then that sounds pretty darn serious to me. I am not an expert on mental illness - and I doubt any of you other posters here are either... but I would choose to fall on the side of caution - when someone reveals they have had thoughts of hurting themselves. >> (me from post #65)

<< Now you got her thinking suicide or hurting herself? Nice stretch HLA. >> (outofzone)

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It is NO stretch...
She stated in this video - that she had thoughts of hurting herself - to put a stop to all the pressure.
Re-watch it - if you don't believe me.
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<crickets>



Kinda unfair to interrupt OOZ's narrative with inconvenient facts, dontcha think?
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My beliefs still hold.  The answers lie within, always, and this is what a therapist will tell you ultimately.  Therapists help you to get to that point, so really you end up right where you started in the first place...looking at self in the mirror without fear.[smile]

Have a great day everyone!
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I think all here are in agreement it took quite a bit for the young lady to give that talk. Composed?? enough for someone her age sure.


Thus feeding your narrative that the "young" are weak and needy narcissists. They don't need treatment, but, instead, need to be "whipped" into shape. If they can't take it, quit.

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As far as her data..arbitrary but she got her point across without guessing. Anybody here could interview 1000 D1 athletes and come up with her conclusions. She mentioned her Univ was paying for her meds & therapy...so let's see that number countrywide.


Under the ACA, mental health care (including medications and therapy) is an essential health benefit, so if athletes or students are being provided with health insurance, it's covered.

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Also not sure any posters even attempted to rebutt her points. I mean, no poster here thinks she's lying. However, there is some consensus her Ted talk was more a D1 athlete explaining why she is depressed & has some mental illness while blaming her coaches, her program, the system, her teammates...but taking no personal responsibility for her actions, other than to say I can't quit because Volleyball is my life. In short, I am afflicted with this Athletes Mental Epidemic which is racing across the country at light speed and nobody is paying attention to me.


What consensus? From what I can see, it is primarily you who are posing as a consensus of one. You are the only one who is blaming her for blaming others for her "mental illness", being "mental", not taking "personal responsibility", etc. - all highly stigmatizing terms being intentionally used by you.

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Sarcasm TRIGGER WARNING:!!
She will most likely come to regret her "coming out". Then again, she may end up on Rachael Maddow. A soft landing spot with a very small audience who cares.


Not hard to figure out where you're getting your faux news and biased talking points from...
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Mental Health issues face everyone not just D1 college athletes. Sure there is more pressure on them than in some other endeavors. How about the young woman with 3 children without a husband and having to work? There are all kinds of scenarios out there. I think part of this story is that college athletics is this horrible stressful situation which would be true if you were already susceptible to mental health problems.
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Mental Health issues face everyone not just D1 college athletes. Sure there is more pressure on them than in some other endeavors. How about the young woman with 3 children without a husband and having to work? There are all kinds of scenarios out there. I think part of this story is that college athletics is this horrible stressful situation which would be true if you were already susceptible to mental health problems.


Yep, someone who is susceptible to mental health problems, whether they have 3 kids, 4 jobs, a physical disability, or a deadbeat husband, should be given help.
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My beliefs still hold.  The answers lie within, always, and this is what a therapist will tell you ultimately.  Therapists help you to get to that point, so really you end up right where you started in the first place...looking at self in the mirror without fear.[smile]

Have a great day everyone!


Let us know what happens the next time you have an ailment with an organ other than your brain, and the outcome after you use your recommended approach.

In the meantime, the video has thousands of views, and 95% positive rating, for those who rated.  We get you're not convinced, and never will be.  But don't tell those faced with mental health issues how weak they are, or bad their parents are, or entitled they are, or happy they should be, or what poor choices they've made, or should be quitters. . .etc.  That reveals more about your character than theirs.
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My wish is that you people would stop telling people they're mentally-ill, or, enabling someone to believe that nonsense...............Our drug epidemic, legal and illegal, is a direct result of this mentality............

You've created a "take-a-pill" and feel like a victim society.............The drug companies are flying sky-high..............It's bad enough ya'll got marijuana legalized............


It really is time to preach a "pull-up your boots and  take responsibility for your life" message................Throw the drugs in the trash and stop listing to people who tell you you're mentally-ill..............
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"Let us know what happens the next time you have an ailment with an organ other than your brain, and the outcome after you use your recommended approach."


You really are dumb.
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My wish is that you people would stop telling people they're mentally-ill, or, enabling someone to believe that nonsense...............Our drug epidemic, legal and illegal, is a direct result of this mentality............

You've created a "take-a-pill" and feel like a victim society.............The drug companies are flying sky-high..............It's bad enough ya'll got marijuana legalized............


It really is time to preach a "pull-up your boots and  take responsibility for your life" message................Throw the drugs in the trash and stop listing to people who tell you you're mentally-ill..............


So, mental health issues, such as depression, anxiety, PTSD, etc., aren't real - if taking "medications", they should throw them in the trash -- and do what? Pray?

Ridiculous...
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And people wonder why stigma continues to be a problem with mental health issues.  What's really fascinating is the blatant hypocrisy--folks happy to take advantage of science-based medicine (or other technology that they rely on) when they have an issue that serves their needs, and trashing it when it doesn't serve their political or religious views.
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My wish is that you people would stop telling people they're mentally-ill, or, enabling someone to believe that nonsense...............Our drug epidemic, legal and illegal, is a direct result of this mentality............

You've created a "take-a-pill" and feel like a victim society.............The drug companies are flying sky-high..............It's bad enough ya'll got marijuana legalized............


It really is time to preach a "pull-up your boots and  take responsibility for your life" message................Throw the drugs in the trash and stop listing to people who tell you you're mentally-ill..............


You really should shut your pie hole on issues you know absolutely nothing about.   
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Society is crumbling with the likes of some of you people.............

ChinMusic, I'll post whatever I want to post............What you think has no bearing, whatsoever, on it..........Just so you know..........

For the others, do some research on drug rehab centers popping up all over the place...........It's really big business..........They put a lot of 'em out in the country-side because they're so big and they're building more every day.............And, they don't rehab people..........They just make a lot of money for their owners............So many people just enter one, get out, then re-enter another............It's a deadly cycle.............

A lack of self-esteem isn't a mental-illness...........And, drugs only make the situation worse............Many times, the lack of self-esteem comes from using drugs in the first place - marijuana and prescription opiates..............From there, it goes on to heroin and meth..............With crystal meth, the withdrawals are so bad the user would rather kill themselves than go through it.............The suicides grow in number every day............Life becomes meaning to 'em...............And, they become very angry..............If some of you people would experience a user going through withdrawals, your eyes would be opened............. 

Control your own mind - don't let drugs control it...............



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It absolutely amazes me how many of you on here are completely dismissing this young lady's situation.  Calling her "mentally weak", narcissistic, needy, etc.  Have any of you played competitive D1, or hell, any collegiate sports in your life?  Do any of you have any idea the amount of pressure that is put on these student athletes not just in college but in high level club ball as well?  These things have only gotten more competitive and pressure packed over the years.  I'm surprised the number of student athletes that have anxiety and some form of depression aren't higher!  

There are some people who just put more undo pressure on themselves than is necessary and they then have trouble dealing with that pressure.  This then turns into anxiety and it snowballs from there.  Sometimes people need help from an outside source to help them come up with ways of calming themselves down when they do get anxious.  There are many different ways that can be done whether it's taking a pill, talking through situations with people, positive self talk, breathing exercises, etc the list goes on and on.  I don't think it is right to be bashing on a young lady who is trying to bring light to an issue that every student athletes deals with at some point or another in their career.  Some deal with it in their own way or they don't deal with it at all.  This is how she is dealing with it and by her putting herself out there and letting other student athletes know that they are not alone and that it is okay to ask for help, well I think we should be applauding her instead of tearing her down.

The problem with the term mental illness is that everybody associates that with schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder, etc. especially when it comes to anxiety.  We need to stop that stigma and educate ourselves that there are many different forms of mental illness and not confuse that with "mental weakness."
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Pet rocks, Justin Bieber and spinners. A few decades of mental illness.  See me outside, how bout dat.
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As a college professor I have seen a lot in 39 years of teaching.  I have also known my share of athletes.  Most do quite well and survive, if not succeed. The softball team where I teach is a successful program both on the field and off -  academically at the top of the conference, and two years ago tops in the nation.  But athletes don't own the market for students who feel overwhelmed and need counseling at some point in their college career.  Mental/emotional problems happen to a variety of students for a variety of reasons.  When I can help, I do.  But I often ask a student "are you getting counseling for this situation?" because I am not an expert. Medication?  Obviously needed in some situations, but I hope only as a last resort.

Perception isn't always reality.  A student feeling overwhelmed isn't always due to an over demanding or overwhelming situation. But at that moment in time it IS their reality. I had a student (non athlete) go on suicide watch for a couple of days this spring right before finals.  This student is capable of good work, but began to procrastinate until everything piled up. Rather than work through it, panic set in, and we could all tell that she wasn't looking and acting like her normal self. She is in a much better place now. 

Regarding the student presenting the TED talk....1.  As mentioned, perception is not always reality. She is not in class 10 hours a day, so from her comments, it appears she still doesn't have a good sense about class time and the hours spent in-between. A little counseling concerning time management might be in order.  2. As has been suggested by a couple of people hear, she could elect to end her career, since her education should be the more important factor in this scenario.  As she stated, volleyball is my life, but reality suggests that that won't be the case in a couple of years, and most athletes need to know this.  Unlike Bret Favre, most folks realize that there is life after sports! A lot of athletes don't play their entire four years for a variety of reasons...most of them good, I think. I hope she can come to understand that, as a human being, she is much more than the sum of her career as an athlete. Having said all this, if she has gained control of her life and can finish her career, good for her! 3. I agree that her own research is worth noting, but it is hardly scientific. That doesn't mean that athletes shouldn't be asking for help if they are feeling overwhelmed. I'm just not convinced that all the scenarios she is describing are quite as pervasive as she suggests.

Some folks here are planting themselves at either end of the pendulum.  I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

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Pet rocks, Justin Bieber and spinners. A few decades of mental illness.  See me outside, how bout dat.



Cash me outside...how bout dat!
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