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Hobbes

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Worth a watch.  Talk to your kids; no one else may be.

And the next time someone you're watching screws up on the field or court, perhaps you'll recall this.




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Thx, Hobbes
ultsoftballparent

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Parents need to start holding College Administrations accountable.  Player involved never realizes the issue until it is too late.  Mental health extremely important in academic success!!
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Parents need to start holding College Administrations accountable.  Player involved never realizes the issue until it is too late.  Mental health extremely important in academic success!!


Parents need to hold colleges accountable for the difficult circumstances the parents pushed their kids into?
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Parents need to hold colleges accountable for the difficult circumstances the parents pushed their kids into?


Yes, of course.  Absolutely.  Because:

1.  It doesn't matter how they got to where they are when they become hurt or ill; and

2.  Just as when someone develops a physical ailment, such as becoming ill or breaking a limb, you expect the staff and administration to take care of that person in distress.  No school's administration would deny they own that responsibility.

And BTW, I don't buy your premise that parents are at fault for mental illnesses that their kids develop.  In any event, causation isn't relevant to the need to treat it once it's present, and that administrations are responsible for the care of their students.
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Worth a watch.  Talk to your kids; no one else may be.

And the next time someone you're watching screws up on the field or court, perhaps you'll recall this.






Thanks for sharing. Most major universities have sports psychologist working or evaluating their student athletes. I've heard of football programs that have mandatory counseling time, regardless if there's a need.
One thing that caught my attention was her schedule. Like softball, volleyball has club or travel teams. One thing I worked with my kids (STUDENT- athlete) was managing their time. Doing homework while we're driving to practice or studying for an exam. If they were able to manage their time, keep their grades up, it helped keep their anxieties to a minimum. This was of benefit to them once in college. Carrying 16 units, pracrice, tutoring, travel time.... but something else I gave them was time to just exist without stress. I've seen too many parents add pressure to their student-athlete. Seems to have increased with early recruiting. Parents are more concerned about getting that athletic scholarship than they are about having them academically prepared for college. I think those are the kids who struggle them most once they're on their own.
Hopefully this video gets out and schools step up their efforts to help student-athletes with their mental health.
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Yes many programs have the Psychologist available; unfortunately, coaches do not take it seriously.  I wonder if Victoria did not work her way up to a starter and an important member of the team if she would have gotten the same level of help. 
Many coaches allow and encourage the stigma of weakness to be associated with mental health!!!

More success stories need to come out!!

Does anyone have a story to share?
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Been posting about this. The amount of practice (and their volleyball warm up in particular!) has become overboard since the days I played softball.

It is the structure of the schedule and group punishments that need to change, not her. Although help is great, I would not say a psychologist is the sole solution.

And without rest for the mind and body, the help won't work.
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Is it coincidence she is only listed as Libero, without any 2016 Stats on the USC roster? Maybe she decided enough is enough and quit...hope so.

That said, I played 2 sports in college but I can't empathize or "know how you feel", because I have never experienced what she speaks about. But, I do understand her dilemma. Kudos for her having the courage to take that stage, certainly a strong young lady to take a stand, although selfishly, against the "system that feeds her" so to speak. Seems her Ted Talk was personal therapy. 

Cynically, I have an issue with people who won't help themselves. If it's really that bad, quit. 

It's all about personal decisions/responsibility. 

And not sure how her Ted Talk will look on her resume. Real life makes college volleyball look like Daycare. 






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This right here:

"Cynically, I have an issue with people who won't help themselves. If it's really that bad, quit. 

It's all about personal decisions/responsibility. 

And not sure how her Ted Talk will look on her resume. Real life makes college volleyball look like Daycare." 


I honestly believe the gene pool as far as coping has been severely watered down, as we have become the most self-centered society the world has ever seen.  Also, if your spirit is healthy and strong, then none of these "mental" issues take over your life.  If your spirit is not healthy and strong, then you got problems.

Treat the "inner man/woman" (not the brain fyi!) and change the world.
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Sports psychologists are a joke, IMO..........I would advise any, and all, students to stay away from 'em..........For many reasons............

As an 18 yr. old, I was in Marine Corps boot camp........So, I do know something about mental and physical pressure.........Many would call it abuse..........I was an independent sort and made it through........But, I saw some who couldn't handle it and they didn't make it..........In some cases, it ended tragically...........

The responsibility for this stuff is on the parents...........Playing a college sport requires a toughness...........Parents have the responsibility to prepare their kids for it.............I work with a lot of players individually and I make sure every player and every parent understands what's attached to that college scholarship...........And, if that pressure is unwanted by the player, then I advise 'em to not take it............ 

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All the talk about pressure from other players just waiting to take your position is a joke, also..........

If your priority is to start, then, find a team that will make that happen...........That's happening more and more recently...........I like seeing this trend growing............Transferring out of a situation you don't like is a really good way of avoiding undue pressure..............I wish to see more of it happening.............

This "mental health" talk in college sports is totally ridiculous..........It's about doing the right thing for "you - the player".............
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All the talk about pressure from other players just waiting to take your position is a joke, also..........

If your priority is to start, then, find a team that will make that happen...........That's happening more and more recently...........I like seeing this trend growing............Transferring out of a situation you don't like is a really good way of avoiding undue pressure..............I wish to see more of it happening.............

This "mental health" talk in college sports is totally ridiculous..........It's about doing the right thing for "you - the player".............


Bingo! It aint rocket science
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I honestly believe the gene pool as far as coping has been severely watered down, as we have become the most self-centered society the world has ever seen.  Also, if your spirit is healthy and strong, then none of these "mental" issues take over your life.  If your spirit is not healthy and strong, then you got problems..


Wow.  Quite the stone age philosophy, rejecting decades of research, development, and treatment of mental illness.  For others' sake, I hope you don't preach your gospel to any in need of help; yours amounts to go jump off a bridge to strengthen the "gene pool."  Stay away from kids.

Hateful and sad.
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Wow.  Quite the stone age philosophy, rejecting decades of research, development, and treatment of mental illness.  For others' sake, I hope you don't preach your gospel to any in need of help; yours amounts to go jump off a bridge to strengthen the "gene pool."  Stay away from kids.

Hateful and sad.




Sorry, man, but the truth stands on its own.  It does not need science, research OR development.  

Truth is timeless.  Godlessness is people's problem, not mental health.

The inner man and woman IS the essence of the person.
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Sorry, man, but the truth stands on its own.  It does not need science, research OR development.  

Truth is timeless.  Godlessness is people's problem, not mental health.

The inner man and woman IS the essence of the person.



No.  It's unadulterated, unsound, indefensible, uneducated, tripe, straight from the 14th century.  (Or possibly a fortune cookie.)

But we do understand where you stand on mental health.
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Wow.  Quite the stone age philosophy, rejecting decades of research, development, and treatment of mental illness.  For others' sake, I hope you don't preach your gospel to any in need of help; yours amounts to go jump off a bridge to strengthen the "gene pool."  Stay away from kids.

Hateful and sad.


You may be missing some context. This young lady made a concious effort to put herself in a certain situation which, now she finds mentally debilitating. She now complains about how bad it is but will not make the concious decision to remove herself from it. That decision alone is the disease. 

Stone Age thinking??..more like common sense don't ya think
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You may be missing some context. This young lady made a concious effort to put herself in a certain situation which, now she finds mentally debilitating. She now complains about how bad it is but will not make the concious decision to remove herself from it. That decision alone is the disease. 

Stone Age thinking??..more like common sense don't ya think


I'm not missing any context, as his follow up makes clear.  He rejects psychology and the study of the mind altogether.  For him, the answer involves weak "genes," "godlessness," a weak "spirit,"  and the "inner man/woman (not the brain fyi!)"

Very helpful.

Stay away from kids, JD.
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No.  It's unadulterated, unsound, indefensible, uneducated, tripe, straight from the 14th century.  (Or possibly a fortune cookie.)

But we do understand where you stand on mental health.


So howzat, what would you do? You ever play any competitive sports in your life? Thinking you believe all kids deserve a trophy? We live in a competitive society, that's a fact. This isn't some young kid, stuck in a trailer park without food, water or electricity. She's entitled, fed, healthy and...just feeling sorry for herself. Maybe you can look her up, fly to USC & give her a warm glass of milk, a blanket and tell her how wonderful she is. That will solve just about nothing. 

But, I bet you will feel better about yourself.
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What I'm not going to do is judge her.  She had the courage to raise a legitimate issue, and backed it with survey data that extended far beyond herself.  She personalized it with her story.  But for whatever reason, you want to focus on her alone.  And as she made clear she IS dealing with it, and doesn't need and isn't asking for your condescension.

If you want to judge her and pooh-pooh the entire notion that there's any broader issue that exists among student-athletes, or anyone else in society that's under stress, that's your call.  You've crafted the simplistic solution that all they have to is quit, drop out, and avoid whatever it is that would push them over the edge.
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Wow.  Quite the stone age philosophy, rejecting decades of research, development, and treatment of mental illness.  For others' sake, I hope you don't preach your gospel to any in need of help; yours amounts to go jump off a bridge to strengthen the "gene pool."  Stay away from kids.

Hateful and sad.

So weakness is now a mental illness. Just another diagnosis that relieves the person of personal responsibility.
And take your decades of self serving research and development that in many instances is just to perpetuate funding and job security. It has become a big circle jerk of "experts" patting themselves on the back for a job well done.
Put me in the 14th century with Janie any day instead of the current land of snowflakes.
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What I'm not going to do is judge her.  She had the courage to raise a legitimate issue, and backed it with survey data that extended far beyond herself.  She personalized it with her story.  But for whatever reason, you want to focus on her alone.  And as she made clear she IS dealing with it, and doesn't need and isn't asking for your condescension.

If you want to judge her and pooh-pooh the entire notion that there's any broader issue that exists among student-athletes, or anyone else in society that's under stress, that's your call.  You've crafted the simplistic solution that all they have to is quit, drop out, and avoid whatever it is that would push them over the edge.


In my initial post I applauded her for dealing with it. That alone takes courage & strength. And her data, that's fine to. But if you surveyed every D1 athlete, you would most likely get a disproportionate number also saying they are stressed, deal with anxiety & are depressed from time to time. Does that mean there is a sports wide epidemic...absolutely not. Athlete translation: I have a busy schedule, I'm worried about my next test, I miss momma. 

Her Ted Talk IS her asking all of us for our condescension. You kidding me?? That's like a woman getting her boobs done and then taking offense when you look at them! We watched 21 minutes of "...please look at me, feel sorry for me. You need to understand my pain." I'm just not buying it. Completely different tone if she had spoken about her mental issues because she was working 2 jobs, raising a kid AND taking a full course load to better her life. But her idea of bettering her life is to continue to do the exact same thing every day, and then complain how it's ruining her life. And on top of that, because it's happening to her, it must be spreading like a virus & nothing short of Marshall Law will stop it. 

Reference your last sentence: she admitted in her talk the reasons for her mental issues WERE a direct result of her playing D1 sports. So the simplest solution would be to quit...don't ya think?
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Is it coincidence she is only listed as Libero, without any 2016 Stats on the USC roster? Maybe she decided enough is enough and quit...hope so.


In 2016, she played in 109 out of 121 sets. Whittingham was the libero, so assume most were as a DS. Garrick is the only libero listed on the 2017 roster, but that doesn't include possible walk-ons.

So, anyone with mental health issues should just quit? Why hope for that? I think her message is that she is coping with the demands of D1 volleyball with psychological counseling and medication.
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In 2016, she played in 109 out of 121 sets. Whittingham was the libero, so assume most were as a DS. Garrick is the only libero listed on the 2017 roster, but that doesn't include possible walk-ons.

So, anyone with mental health issues should just quit? Why hope for that? I think her message is that she is coping with the demands of D1 volleyball with psychological counseling and medication.


Not necessarily. In her talk she looked as if she were near a complete breakdown at any moment. Her tone was more of anger, that more people weren't noticing her plight. And there was this underlying assumption most athletes experience what she is going through and weren't "coming out". If that was true we'd be having tryouts for the National Mental Health Squad. And I'm sure we'd have a Head Enabler with 14 psycho babble assistants. 

No doubt her message was one of coping with her dilemma. But how is this resonating with her Coaches & teammates? Seriously doubt she is being put on some pedestal in the Volleyball world. And most likely, she is viewed in a different light by the program.  And just maybe, this is the reason she wasn't heavily recruited as she said. Is it not possible College coaches saw what they consider flaws in her? It's a fair question. 

If she is serious about doing something about this Athletic Mental Epidemic--AME, her research has uncovered, maybe she should quit volleyball, devote her schooling to this discipline & get serious about helping other athletes. Because, in about 2 years, the real world will hit her like a brick wall. When that happens, let her try this "i'm a walking trigger warning, if I get too busy I'll freak out", she won't have a job for long. 

Better yet, move to the Northeast & hang out with Bernie Sanders. He'd love to pick up your tab...at our collective expense.

On a non-sarcastic note, she could very well create a mind healing, profitable vocation for herself by reaching out & helping other athletes. 


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This is what I love about this forum. No one is untouchable. She's got an opinion, you got one too. So in that vain, let me address what is the weakest argument of all - have you ever played competitive sports?  So your weak ass high school career, Outoftouch, gives you carte blanche to judge all athletes. Here's my opinion, attack the message, least you be attacked yourself.
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This is what I love about this forum. No one is untouchable. She's got an opinion, you got one too. So in that vain, let me address what is the weakest argument of all - have you ever played competitive sports?  So your weak ass high school career, Outoftouch, gives you carte blanche to judge all athletes. Here's my opinion, attack the message, least you be attacked yourself.


Whoa big boy...looks like I hit a nerve. 

Rudy, I don't feel like I'm being attacked. I offer an opinion and understand there may be a few darts. I'm good with that. Why you feel a need to defend....whatever it may be...is curious though. Maybe, in all your sanctimony, you can enlighten me. 
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Not necessarily. In her talk she looked as if she were near a complete breakdown at any moment. Her tone was more of anger, that more people weren't noticing her plight. And there was this underlying assumption most athletes experience what she is going through and weren't "coming out". If that was true we'd be having tryouts for the National Mental Health Squad. And I'm sure we'd have a Head Enabler with 14 psycho babble assistants. 

No doubt her message was one of coping with her dilemma. But how is this resonating with her Coaches & teammates? Seriously doubt she is being put on some pedestal in the Volleyball world. And most likely, she is viewed in a different light by the program.  And just maybe, this is the reason she wasn't heavily recruited as she said. Is it not possible College coaches saw what they consider flaws in her? It's a fair question. 

If she is serious about doing something about this Athletic Mental Epidemic--AME, her research has uncovered, maybe she should quit volleyball, devote her schooling to this discipline & get serious about helping other athletes. Because, in about 2 years, the real world will hit her like a brick wall. When that happens, let her try this "i'm a walking trigger warning, if I get too busy I'll freak out", she won't have a job for long. 

Better yet, move to the Northeast & hang out with Bernie Sanders. He'd love to pick up your tab...at our collective expense.

On a non-sarcastic note, she could very well create a mind healing, profitable vocation for herself by reaching out & helping other athletes. 




Wow this is one special post.
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Please revisit your post #24 and tell me who is the self righteous morally superior one of the two of us is. R e a d  m y  w o r d s.  Rail all you want against her message, attacking her personally is cowardly. As for me, you must know by now I enjoy making fun of unenlightened posters. She didn't come on this forum propagating her feelings, it was a link.
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First, I want to acknowledge that there are people who need access to mental health professionals.  The rub then is deciding the line.  We (generalization) have created a generation of people who get their self-esteem from others.  That would include anything from social media to helicopter parents.  The fact is, a person should never get their self-esteem from others.   I have often talked about the “dark hole” to my players.  The comes a time in every player’s career where they tread on the precipice of the “dark hole” for whatever reason.  Often, they surround themselves with caustic people who feed those thoughts pushing one toward the hole.  Then, when on the brink, these people ask for help from those caustic people and they are nowhere to be found.  It is kind of like the scene from Cool Hand Luke where he has been broken, staggers into the barracks and falls.  He stretches out his hand looking for someone to help him stand up but they all turn their backs to him.  He cries out, “where are you?  Where are you NOW?”  Instead, I say to my players, “physician heal thyself.”  Make yourself the rock.  Realize that you not only matter but are loved.  Take a deep breath.  Grit your teeth.  Get up and stand.  Much of this then is found in a song by Rascal Flatts called, “Stand.”  Give yourself reasons for success and not excuses for failure.  


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All you're doing is reinforcing the "mental health" stigma:

* She's "just feeling sorry for herself".

* "Athlete translation: I have a busy schedule, I'm worried about my next test, I miss momma."

* "We watched 21 minutes of '...please look at me, feel sorry for me. You need to understand my pain.'"

* "So the simplest solution would be to quit...don't ya think?"

* "In her talk she looked as if she were near a complete breakdown at any moment."

* "'i'm a walking trigger warning, if I get too busy I'll freak out', she won't have a job for long."

It is because of attitudes like yours that many people, including athletes, are unwilling to acknowledge mental health issues, which in many cases are quite treatable. Personally, I suspect that those who stigmatize people who acknowledge having mental health issues are likely insecure about their own mental stability.
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