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fhoenix

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Is FIB running for president of the united states?
Every question to a candidate is valid. Every voter looks for different things.
And every vote counts the same. Rush Limbaugh's vote is cancelled out by the ghetto mcdonalds worker who always votes democrat. Raquel maddows vote is cancelled out by the guy in trailer park waving confederate flag who always votes republican. Sarah palin' vote is cancelled out by her housekeeper. A political science professor who spend hours a day studying politics and researching has the same vote as his freshman student who knows noting and follows the kardashians more than politics. There is no quality of vote. A vote is vote and all are equal.

This means all questions are valid if it matters to voters.
FIB is not a candidate so his military service has no relevance to voters.

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keepinitreal

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dewy isn't a veteran either but when he speaks on military matters I want to know from what knowledge base does he speak.  FIB says he was a veteran, good enough for me either way, no one has to prove anything here.  woody wasn't a veteran but he is well read on many foreign affairs and military subjects.  Lost1 and mikec are an example of 2 folks that I read and appreciate their posts with or without service.  fhoenix, you and bluedog were vets, when you speak your words bring more credence to a subject matter [to me] on military and foreign affairs matters, than say dewy or his cohort dinger.  It's a measuring stick, not a whoopin' stick.  FWIW this is a MK thread, not a candidate thread.
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FIB, may I ask, which branch were you in?....And, wartime or peace time?
How is this relevant?


Probably wants to know if you are part of the "war machine"
keepinitreal

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You may be on to something Tyler Durden.

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bluedog

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 FWIW this is a MK thread, not a candidate thread. 


Yep.......This is about the barbie-doll women's libber, Megyn Kelly......The one who just took a 10-day vacation......It won't work, though......What she did, she must answer for.....She can hide, but, she will have to face the fiddler eventually.....

Fhoenix has tried the Obama slight-of-hand trick, but, it doesn't work......Real was on it and exposed it....... 
Dewey

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Looks like Megyn Kelly will be a moderator at another debate.....Should be interesting!!


So you deleted your other post about that women's libber Kelly never hosting another debate?? 

I had to laugh when I read it yesterday - she's the darling of FNC - they would never shut her out of anything.  She is the current face of Fox News.  (And a lot easier to look at than O'Reilly or Hannity.)
Glad you mentioned this DC. I picked up on it earlier, but thought maybe bluedog had posted that ill-fated braggadocio on one of the other threads. Good catch! It looks like Bluedog is already resorting to Dewey's tactics.


Wow, you take a day off and someone will make a deliberately inaccurate accusation about you behind your back.  It's a shame I have to repeat this periodically but I don't delete posts and, outside of correcting spelling and missing words, I don't alter posts.  This is simply an ongoing attempt to discredit me.  When one doesn't like the alternative perspective being shared in our forum, one has to take greater action.  How about an accusation of wrongdoing to start.  If I were a Democrat running for office, this accusation would go on for years and years.  Not sure why because readers can see it's clearly bogus.  While an accuser can't find evidence that isn't there, they could at least describe the context of the post I made and the reasoning behind a deletion.  Readers never got anything close to an explanation behind the accusation.  Believe me, they never will.

What I can tell you is I have seen more than one member on the Right make a post and then take it down a bit later.  I've never seen this happen by someone from the Left but there's fewer of us.  IOW, deleting posts does takes place in here but not by me.  However, I'm not generally critical of those who delete their posts.  If one says something they wish they hadn't, and then think better of it and take it down, it's alright with me.  To be honest, I actually find it kind of refreshing that somebody would think twice about what they just wrote and remove it.

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refreshing, what a feminine, desperate word.  

I usually state when I take a post down.  You are talking about me again, you stalk me dewdy.  I usually include, "this post will self destruct in 5 minutes".  I leave it up long enough for your dumbass to read it and then I delete it.  If you want to comment on my posts then copy, paste and respond.  If not, then quit your phucking crying

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You took a day off, Prove it.  You posted today, you posted yesterday.  Where is your day off dewdy?
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bluedog

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Trump finally is putting Fiorina in her place.....


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Trump then went into an extended riff where he imagined how he would attack Fiorina if he could.
 
“I promised I wouldn’t say that she ran Hewlett Packard into the ground,” Trump said. “I said I would not say it. That her stock value tanked. That she laid off tens of thousands of people and she got viciously fired. I said I would not say it. And that she then went out and ran against Barbara Boxer for senator of California, and it’s a race that should have been won and she lost in a landslide, and I said, I will not say that, ok? So I’m not going to say it.”


Then, something for Bush.....


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“The other day, I’m watching, and [Bush] said, ‘Well, we got Saddam Hussein out, didn’t we?’ ” Trump said. “I’m not a fan of Saddam Hussein, but he ran the place, and he had no weapons of mass destruction, and now instead of Saddam Hussein, we are far more brutal, we have ISIS and we will have Iran because they are already making deals.”



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So what is Trumps plan for ISIS? I heard he wants to cut off their cash flow by re-invading Iraq and securing all the oil fields. Is that true?

Also, what has he said about the Iran deal? From what you posted above, it sounds like he would trash it. Is that right? 
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Come one bluedog, isn't this the exact doublespeak we have come to expect from politicians? Looks like Trump is falling right in beside the rest of them.

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Trump then went into an extended riff where he imagined how he would attack Fiorina if he could.
 
“I promised I wouldn’t say that she ran Hewlett Packard into the ground,” Trump said. “I said I would not say it. That her stock value tanked. That she laid off tens of thousands of people and she got viciously fired. I said I would not say it. And that she then went out and ran against Barbara Boxer for senator of California, and it’s a race that should have been won and she lost in a landslide, and I said, I will not say that, ok? So I’m not going to say it.”
 



keepinitreal

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I think the U.S. should target if not take over their oilfields.  Blow the damn things up if you don't want troops on the ground.  Target the oil storage tanks, in whatever way and cut off their funding.  Kind of like cutting obama phone lady off of the teat.  Put her fat ass to work.

Cut off their revenue.  There are ways to do it but if 10,000 U.S. combat troops volunteer to take them out on the ground, let them sign up and do it.  Not rocket science, someone, someway needs to stop them, there are enough courageous people left to get it done.  A nation of pussies?? I wonder

If Trump is the one who talks about doing it, then go for it

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bluedog

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I think the U.S. should target if not take over their oilfields...................................Not rocket science...........


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EX

Earlier this week, billionaire real-estate developer Trump said he would send American troops to Iraq to target the Islamic State (also known as ISIS, ISIL, and Daesh), adding that the US would "knock the hell out of them" in "every place where they have oil."

"They have great money because they have oil," Trump said.

"I would knock out the source of their wealth, the primary sources of their wealth, which is oil," he continued. "And in order to do that, you would have to put boots on the ground. I would knock the hell out of them, but I'd put a ring around it and I'd take the oil for our country."

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Trump's understanding of ISIS' finances doesn't seem to be very complete either. While ISIS does make millions of dollars from oil, the biggest slice of the group's budget most likely comes from taxing the people under its control. And this source of wealth is harder for international actors to control.

Analysts at the nonprofit RAND Corporation estimated that in 2014, ISIS raked in $600 million from extortion and taxation, $500 million in money stolen from Iraqi banks, and $100 million from oil.

The US has been targeting ISIS' oil revenues and donations from "overseas benefactors" in an effort to cripple the terror group, but that still leaves ISIS free to collect taxes, as The Wall Street Journal reported in June.



Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/a-top-us-general-picked-apart-donald-trumps-isis-policy-2015-8#ixzz3iuH8LjJe


Taking ISIS oil revenue would be a start, but that's less than 10% of their money. To make up for the loss they would likely increase their other "financial activities" (taxing, theft, hostage taking, etc) , and become that much more vicious and dangerous.

It's going to be a bloody fight, particularly when you account for the vast expansion of ISIS on Obama's watch. The "strategy" of "the Middle East has to fix their own problems" sounds a lot like "Iran will play nice." These utopian outcomes Obama predicts don't have much foundation in the real world. While I support greater US involvement, we have to understand that dealing with ISIS isn't as simple as taking away their oil revenue. That's a great campaign sound bite (like a typical politician, btw), but it needs considerable fleshing out in the real world.

  
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A rhetorical question to the author of the article(s)...

OK, from whence does those extorted individuals, corporations and banks get their funding before it is passed on to ISIS?


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ForeverInBlue

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BS - while it may be counterintuitive, there is a (quasi) functional society in iraq where people live and go to work, buy food, pay bills, etc. While there is war going on in some parts of the country, much of the country functions relatively normally, and is held together by local economies with infusions from larger companies and the government. If you cut off financial support to the government, the entire country would fall to anarchy and ISIS would have free reign.

You could argue that a % of US and other foreign aid is ending up in ISIS coffers, and you'd be right. But if you take away all aid, the legitimate government functions that support society collapse almost overnight. ISIS would be most pleased.

From one of the links in my post above:

"ISIS makes most of its money from plunder," Jonathan Schanzer, vice president for research at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies, told Business Insider in May. "We’re seeing that over and over again. They go from one town to the next and knock over a bank or several banks and go house to house and extract whatever is of value."

"It's a racket," Schanzer said. "And that's how ISIS continues to survive and thrive."





Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-isis-economy-just-got-a-huge-boost-2015-6#ixzz3iuQlM5PV


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FiB- Clearly stated as a 'rhetorical question'. [tongue] I'll stick to bashing Hillary. Easier target.
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FiB- Clearly stated as a 'rhetorical question'. [tongue] I'll stick to bashing Hillary. Easier target.


Actually I felt is was a question worth asking, and responding to, so thanks for bringing it up. There are many moving parts, and the root sources of ISIS income is one of them.

If one is seeking to rid ISIS of funding, it's not as easy as taking their oil. That's far too simplistic. I'd like to see the candidates come forward with robust, well considered strategies, not just sound bites.

As for Hillary, bashing her is not only easier, it's more fun. [smile]
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/25/ailes-calls-on-trump-to-apologize-for-unprovoked-attack-on-megyn-kelly/?intcmp=obinsite
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I'm sure many here saw this, but last night Megyn Kelly interviewed the fiance' of the journalist and her father.  It was interesting to see both of them chide her for tying to sensationalize the story more by saying the cameraman, right before dying, thought to capture their killer on camera.  Looked like it caught her off guard and made her look bad, IMO.  Anyone else notice?

kir - I'd be surprised if he apologizes even though he should.
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I'm sure many here saw this, but last night Megyn Kelly interviewed the fiance' of the journalist and her father.  It was interesting to see both of them chide her for tying to sensationalize the story more by saying the cameraman, right before dying, thought to capture their killer on camera.  Looked like it caught her off guard and made her look bad, IMO.  Anyone else notice?

kir - I'd be surprised if he apologizes even though he should.


Yes I saw Megyn last night, she was speechless for at least 1 minute while they talked and it did indeed set her off track. She was sensationalizing the event and they slapped her hand. Convenient that dietwatereddown coke didn't include that part in her recap of the interview

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I did not watch it.  I watch a couple of light comedies instead.  I needed to laugh and I did not want to see yet another video showing that poor woman's look on her face as she realized she was going to die, and audio of gunshots and screaming.
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The mom and dad have been ripping into every media interviewing them that deviates off the sympathy-only path. And they make sure to add in their gun control comments. Dad did that this morning.
Megyn Kelly is under a spotlight and the good is her tv show viewership and ratings are sky high...bad news is that means scrutiny on any and everything she says or does and every clip and segment will be over analyzed. The person nitpicking others is being nitpicked. 

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The pushback from the father and fiancé did, indeed, leave Megyn Kelly at a loss for words. You are correct fhoenix.  Kelly will either get tougher and better, or gradually fade from the limelight.  Time will tell.
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I say she'll fade.....
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She's not fading, she looks beautiful tonight
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Donald ducked her. Quack!
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Look through this thread and I defended Trump early. This skipping debates and town halls is plain chickenschitt
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Putin and the little fat guy in n korea will eat his lunch. Is he gonna cry they were unfair and duck them too?
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Megyn has asked some pretty tough questions of all of the candidates tonight. 
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