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Has the lame stream media covered this the way they covered a Bush daughter drinking beer?
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Media bias isn't targeted solely at conservatives.  You won't see this article on CNN, NBC, etc.  Israeli athletes in Rio are enduring hatred from Muslim countries.  Horrible but sadly not surprising.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/10/israeli-athletes-rio-olympics-endure-shocking-host/

On a related note, I'm in Barcelona this week on business and I'm stunned by how many Muslims live here now.  Probably not coincidentally, but also due to the extremely heavy tourist season, police are out in force with body armor and automatic weapons.  Throw in what seems to be a large population of young gay men who I fear could be targeted by Muslims and it's a bit scary.
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Get the hell out of Barcelona
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I know you will all be surprised about this but last night a guy who represents a company that studies media bias said that the media is biased against Trump.  Shocking isn't it.  While CNN is horrible and at the near top of the list, the winner for most biased is......... The Clinton News Source.  (CBS)  They have racked up in the last two weeks 14 negative comments about Trump to every one mention at all about Clinton.  You will be more shocked to hear that CBS has not stated one positive thing about Trump.  NOT ONE. 

The Clinton News Network is now openly lying about Trump.  Shocking isn't it. 
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CNN claimed that Secret Service had to talk to Trump.  Secret Service refutes that claim.
You never hear about it.
In the Don Lemmon video posted on the Trump thread, he was trying to make a big deal the the Secret Service had to get involved.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-secretservice-idUSKCN10L29W


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meanwhile, hannity and Ingraham last night went on a rant about Republicans sabotaging the election, traitors, really closet liberals, yada yada.  Ingraham even went so far as to say it's immoral to vote for anyone but trump.

So, Laura Ingraham is now the arbiter of what is moral and not moral, and hannity has last call on traitorism.

Fair and balanced.
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and the same plastic haired NY liberal idiot that spent the whole primary season pointing to polls, and telling all candidates  but trump that they had to quit because they had no path to victory, now says polls don't matter, and trump will win because he has more likes on Twitter than Clinton does.

fair and balanced.
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meanwhile, hannity and Ingraham last night went on a rant about Republicans sabotaging the election, traitors, really closet liberals, yada yada.  Ingraham even went so far as to say it's immoral to vote for anyone but trump.

So, Laura Ingraham is now the arbiter of what is moral and not moral, and hannity has last call on traitorism.

Fair and balanced.

They were just calling like it is.  

I hold my friends that hated Romney so bad that they did not vote, responsible for Obama second term.  They hated Romney because he was the worst big government liberal RINO who only had one conservative thought, pro-Life.  Romneycare, this that the other all very liberal.  They worked against him tooth and nail, a lot of yada yada.  

I for one think it was time for the republican party to come to terms with this divide.  Should be interesting.  ProLife candidates are basically undetectable in general elections.  The countries morals have moved significantly left over the last 20 years.   This has not really bothered me too much.  The anti-gay thing definitely pigeon holed republican party for the last 20 years.

My religious friends seems to miss that they are loosing the battle at the schools and churches.  They no longer want to go do the heavy lifting that it takes to stay in this game.  Just whine that Republicans are abandoning them and demand that we nominate only unelectable candidates.



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CNN claimed that Secret Service had to talk to Trump.  Secret Service refutes that claim.
You never hear about it.
In the Don Lemmon video posted on the Trump thread, he was trying to make a big deal the the Secret Service had to get involved.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-secretservice-idUSKCN10L29W



read that language - no FORMAL contact.  Do you think the SS would inadevertently insert that word FORMAL, or was that accidental?

further, they tweeted saying they were aware of his comments.

to be sure, their involvement is overstated, but you can't say there was NONE either.
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They were just calling like it is.  

I hold my friends that hated Romney so bad that they did not vote, responsible for Obama second term.  They hated Romney because he was the worst big government liberal RINO who only had one conservative thought, pro-Life.  Romneycare, this that the other all very liberal.  They worked against him tooth and nail, a lot of yada yada.  

I for one think it was time for the republican party to come to terms with this divide.  Should be interesting.  ProLife candidates are basically undetectable in general elections.  The countries morals have moved significantly left over the last 20 years.   This has not really bothered me too much.  The anti-gay thing definitely pigeon holed republican party for the last 20 years.

My religious friends seems to miss that they are loosing the battle at the schools and churches.  They no longer want to go do the heavy lifting that it takes to stay in this game.  Just whine that Republicans are abandoning them and demand that we nominate only unelectable candidates.




it shows there is lots of pro-trump media bias as well.

and, your pro-gay, anti-abortion rants are tiresome.  says it all it needs to say about you and why you support trump.
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it shows there is lots of pro-trump media bias as well.

and, your pro-gay, anti-abortion rants are tiresome.  says it all it needs to say about you and why you support trump.


Tiresome is not the word, condescending is more like it.  It really is ok in the GOP to have different views, if you want to be monolithic, go to the dems.

Trumpets say all the time that those on the religious right are wrong about their views, but then want them to vote for Trump.  Not the way to make friends and influence people.
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it shows there is lots of pro-trump media bias as well.

and, your pro-gay, anti-abortion rants are tiresome.  says it all it needs to say about you and why you support trump.

yeah!  I am so pro-gay.  anti-abortion?
The amount of media shilling for hillary is 10x over trump, let alone any pro-Life look at things.

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Tiresome is not the word, condescending is more like it.  It really is ok in the GOP to have different views, if you want to be monolithic, go to the dems.

Trumpets say all the time that those on the religious right are wrong about their views, but then want them to vote for Trump.  Not the way to make friends and influence people.

Not saying you are wrong about your views.  Just saying your hardline take on your views is what keeps you out of the game.  That everyone out there has to full on wear these views on their shoulder.

Look at Obama.  He is clearly a hard line Saul Alinsky radical socialist.  He definitely would have liked to have run a campaign from that extreme left angle, but he knew that was unelectable.  So he downplays some of the more extreme/crazy views until he gets into office then goes to work on his agenda.

Just suggesting religious right needs to understand their political realities. 

The reality is that 33% of American women have had an abortion.  33% more women openly state in polls that they personally know someone who has had an abortion and they do not think they are criminals.  Criminalizing abortion is a non-starter.  

If you need to go vote in another party, start a third party movement, or kick us (fiscal conservative) to a third party, to go figure that out, fine.

The reality is that most Americans are in favor of common sense limitations on Pro-Life/Pro-Choice issues.  But we never get to have those conversations.  The hardline left knows how to push religious rights buttons, get them frothing, get them to say only acceptable answer is fully criminalize abortion, and boom, they are written off.  And life continues on as is it has for the last 50 years. 




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How's the game working for you?  Your candidate is down +10 to a person that a vast majority of the American public thinks is dishonest and should be the subject of a federal investigation.  Bottom line is you and your candidate desperately need people who think along those lines to win, just as those people need social moderates to further push the conservative agenda.  Constantly badgering them with your beliefs isn't helping anything.

Do I think Roe should be overturned?  Sure, but I understand that is virtually impossible.  Will I support a candidate that will continue to fund Planned Parenthood?  No.  If you are ok with that, it's fine.  The countless posts about how "out of touch" pro-life people are only further drives a wedge in the party.  I don't know if you keep spouting the numbers you do about abortion to make yourself look smarter, but if you have a poll or some source they come from, it would be nice to see it.

Either way, you continual need to further divide the GOP just because some people are not able to vote for your candidate isn't doing anyone any good.  Your voting for Trump, several of us are not.  No need to justify your vote and castigate the rest of us due to personal beliefs.

I'll let Mikec get back to it - he's better at this than I am.
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Well put, better than I could.  I think you should carry the flag.


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How's the game working for you?  Your candidate is down +10 to a person that a vast majority of the American public thinks is dishonest and should be the subject of a federal investigation.  Bottom line is you and your candidate desperately need people who think along those lines to win, just as those people need social moderates to further push the conservative agenda.  Constantly badgering them with your beliefs isn't helping anything.

Do I think Roe should be overturned?  Sure, but I understand that is virtually impossible.  Will I support a candidate that will continue to fund Planned Parenthood?  No.  If you are ok with that, it's fine.  The countless posts about how "out of touch" pro-life people are only further drives a wedge in the party.  I don't know if you keep spouting the numbers you do about abortion to make yourself look smarter, but if you have a poll or some source they come from, it would be nice to see it.

Either way, you continual need to further divide the GOP just because some people are not able to vote for your candidate isn't doing anyone any good.  Your voting for Trump, several of us are not.  No need to justify your vote and castigate the rest of us due to personal beliefs.

I'll let Mikec get back to it - he's better at this than I am.



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Tiresome is not the word, condescending is more like it.  It really is ok in the GOP to have different views, if you want to be monolithic, go to the dems.

Trumpets say all the time that those on the religious right are wrong about their views, but then want them to vote for Trump.  Not the way to make friends and influence people.
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I guess I've missed any major GOP candidate saying that abortion should be criminalized, except for trump that is.  He said that there should be a criminal penalty, in yet another of his "say what I think they want to hear" moments.

He later claimed he didn't say that, and his splainers went all trump on tv to say that isn't what he said, so people now believe he never said it.

Anyways, in spite of your rants and hate for religion, I don't see anyone of significance calling for criminalized abortions outside of your boy.




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Criminalizing abortion is a non-starter.  

get them to say only acceptable answer is fully criminalize abortion, and boom, they are written off.  

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With all the discussion on this thread, is it any wonder the Republican party is in such a mess? Too bad the soul-searching after the last two defeats did not stop Trump from stealing the show. Maybe a strong RNC might have been able to stop it - but being "fair" ends up allowing Trump to manipulate the whole scenario.

Media bias is such a whiner's complaint. The #somepeoplearesaying tweets that the Trumpster posts almost every day require fact checks. That is SO unfair.....waaaaahhhhh.

With this election - all the rules are thrown out. Trump threw them out with his mouth -then expects the media to just accept what he says.

Using Jedi mind tricks to try to convince others that they didn't hear what they heard and totally LYING at every turn and expecting the nimwit surrogates to explain everything he says.

I watched Fox for as long as I could stomach it - almost an alternate universe. It is no wonder that people think the media is biased - if you watch that crap, you wouldn't even know what really happened in the day. The confirmation that Roger Ailes was the sleazeball that we all knew he was explains the birth of the absolutely totally false crap that is perpetuated on that channel every day. It also explains the scenario that uneducated men are his largest support group.





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Media bias is such a whiner's complaint. The #somepeoplearesaying tweets that the Trumpster posts almost every day require fact checks. That is SO unfair.....waaaaahhhhh.

I'm with you and also those who whine about how emails were procured.  

With this election - all the rules are thrown out.

I'm with you and all those that whine how emails were procured







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You have x% of the population in Party A, 1/2x% in Party B, and 1/2x% in Party C.  For those who clamor for a three party system, party A would win all the time.  Regardless what many believe, this has to be a two party system and obviously the combination of B and C is a huge dilemma.  Independents aren't able to make a decision to join until one side or the other becomes the dominating theme.  Looks like that may take another election cycle at least.
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meanwhile, hannity and Ingraham last night went on a rant about Republicans sabotaging the election, traitors, really closet liberals, yada yada.  Ingraham even went so far as to say it's immoral to vote for anyone but trump.

So, Laura Ingraham is now the arbiter of what is moral and not moral, and hannity has last call on traitorism.

Fair and balanced.


Mike do you not understand that the difference is that CNN publicly accused Trump of plotting to kill HRC and that the Secret Service is now involved.  All of this is, naturally, a lie.  Ingrahm, Hannity, ... are not the news.  They are opinion people.  That story by CNN was reported as news.  There is a vast difference.  Anyone wasting time watching Hannity needs to get a life.  I spend no time listening to him since I know he is a shill.  Why would I waste my time watching a person with an agenda pretending to be the news?  My goodness most people have figured Hannity out a long time ago and so, his change in programming time. 
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With all the discussion on this thread, is it any wonder the Republican party is in such a mess? Too bad the soul-searching after the last two defeats did not stop Trump from stealing the show. Maybe a strong RNC might have been able to stop it - but being "fair" ends up allowing Trump to manipulate the whole scenario.

Media bias is such a whiner's complaint. The #somepeoplearesaying tweets that the Trumpster posts almost every day require fact checks. That is SO unfair.....waaaaahhhhh.

With this election - all the rules are thrown out. Trump threw them out with his mouth -then expects the media to just accept what he says.

Using Jedi mind tricks to try to convince others that they didn't hear what they heard and totally LYING at every turn and expecting the nimwit surrogates to explain everything he says.

I watched Fox for as long as I could stomach it - almost an alternate universe. It is no wonder that people think the media is biased - if you watch that crap, you wouldn't even know what really happened in the day. The confirmation that Roger Ailes was the sleazeball that we all knew he was explains the birth of the absolutely totally false crap that is perpetuated on that channel every day. It also explains the scenario that uneducated men are his largest support group.







You're so brained washed by all of the liberal shills for the Democrat Party that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. 
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Mike do you not understand that the difference is that CNN publicly accused Trump of plotting to kill HRC and that the Secret Service is now involved.  All of this is, naturally, a lie.  Ingrahm, Hannity, ... are not the news.  They are opinion people.  That story by CNN was reported as news.  There is a vast difference.  Anyone wasting time watching Hannity needs to get a life.  I spend no time listening to him since I know he is a shill.  Why would I waste my time watching a person with an agenda pretending to be the news?  My goodness most people have figured Hannity out a long time ago and so, his change in programming time. 


Agreed, Megyn Kelly kicked him out of his slot and I hope soon he goes the way of Piers Morgan. Wasted time slot, I can barely gulp down THE FIVE some days, I used to watch it daily. Bret Baier is only one I can watch with any confidence.

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WATCH: 10 Minutes Of CNN Cutting Off Those Who Criticize Hillary...
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Slapper says it's all fair in love and politics, call the whambulance. CNN sucks

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You're so brained washed by all of the liberal shills for the Democrat Party that you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. 


CoachB - I feel the same about those who even would CONSIDER voting for Trump. I am not brain-washed as I DO have a brain. Unfortunately, the brainwashing is done by the hacks on the right who float conspiracy theories and lies and embrace a sociopath as their party's banner carrier.

You can always disagree with policies - but unfortunately, policies are not even on the table due to the sociopathy of the Republican candidate. The Republicans have been trying to bury the Clintons for years and maybe they should look at themselves and their methods instead of always blaming the media, the Clintons, the Obamas of the world for their pathetic party.

Get used to losing to the Democrats until you guys get your s&it together.
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The "cutting off of those criticizing Hillary" is actually - "answer the dam& question". When asked a specific question about Trump's words, they never answer the question, holler over others and say...but what about Hillary.....The Trump surrogates are total idiots - but what would you suspect.

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CoachB - I feel the same about those who even would CONSIDER voting for Trump. I am not brain-washed as I DO have a brain. Unfortunately, the brainwashing is done by the hacks on the right who float conspiracy theories and lies and embrace a sociopath as their party's banner carrier.

You can always disagree with policies - but unfortunately, policies are not even on the table due to the sociopathy of the Republican candidate. The Republicans have been trying to bury the Clintons for years and maybe they should look at themselves and their methods instead of always blaming the media, the Clintons, the Obamas of the world for their pathetic party.

Get used to losing to the Democrats until you guys get your s&it together.

I think someone else started the Trump is crazy, don't let him by your button.

Policy wise Republicans offer way more all day everyday.  They are working for the American worker.

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The "cutting off of those criticizing Hillary" is actually - "answer the dam& question". When asked a specific question about Trump's words, they never answer the question, holler over others and say...but what about Hillary.....The Trump surrogates are total idiots - but what would you suspect.



Such an angry elf - must be from the south pole.
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Policy wise Republicans offer way more all day everyday.


Let's think back to the last Republican Administration.  Propose SS reform?  I don't think so.  Propose any health care reform?  I don't think so.  Propose any immigration reform?  Yes, but so few Republicans supported it that it went nowhere.  In fact, what did Republicans offer during those two terms?

Democrats proposed health care reform.  Got it.  Democrats proposed gay in military reforms.  Got it.  Democrats proposed immigration reform.  Came real close but House wouldn't give a vote.  Democrats proposed security for undocumented children and young adults.  Got it.  Proposed banking reform.  Got it.

I can't agree the Republicans offer much of anything other than, let's say it together, less taxes and fewer regulations, whatever that means.

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You post those like they are good things?

To republicans, lower taxes and less regulation means letting folks keep a little more of their money and having the freedoms set forth in the constitution.

So while you see those as nothing, there is a large segment of the population that sees it as doing plenty.
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