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If she can find someone to develop a suitable offense that has power to the lineup, the softball world will be her oyster! 

I don't doubt she will have elite/strong pitching every season, but she does need some help outside the mound. Every great coach needs great assistants who are good with what they do, this goes for all sports. I think LSU has just been so damn dominant on the mound over the years that it covered so many weak points


My favorite intangible about Coach Torina is she gets her teams to win/peak when it matter most, you don't see that too much from coaches and its in invaluable trait to have IMO


We will see what happens, rooting for Coach Torina to find a fix. LSU has a great program, ran by great people. For those who have the chance to meet her, its almost impossible not to like her. 
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With so many players that are good enough to play, Beth is going to have to stop playing her starters every pitch of every game.

Griggs was good, but there would have been nothing wrong with pulling her out and giving the underclassmen a chance to play. Same goes with the other two outfielders, and, really, every other position on the field.

This is elite level college softball, and a coach should be able to pull her shortstop out and put someone else there without having to worrying about causing a disaster. Springfield was good enough to play, as were several others that we only saw sparingly.

When you have players that can play, play them. Don't start one person and get it in your head that that person has to remain in for every pitch of every game. I think that was a mistake.

It does make the team look bad, for prospective recruits.... if they think they are going to have to sit until their senior year, they may go somewhere else.

Those that do not start, but are good enough to play, need to get playing time. 

My gut feeling is that we are not going to see any of last year's starter's being benched. You can rant and rave about the incoming class, but there's another dynamic involved in making the lineup, and I don't think it is about softball.

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I will say this.... how would LSU's roster/lineup be handled if say Coach White, Coach Murphy, The Weekly's, Coach Walton, Coach Gasso were running it?

I promise you all would sit kids that aren't producing and not cling to the same lineup every weekend with different orders. 


I am not the head coach so I don't see the kids in practice every day, they do. There is no explanation why certain kids always play with the production that is produced, unless the back ups are horrific. Judging on the start numbers by players it seems to be the case. If thats the case, it speaks volume to the recruiting/development of players. Either the head coach refuses to want to make changes or the back ups must be really bad. 

 

I don't know who the back ups are so maybe someone can fill me in

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but there's another dynamic involved in making the lineup, and I don't think it is about softball.


Well this is pretty clear


 

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I will say this.... how would LSU's roster/lineup be handled if say Coach White, Coach Murphy, The Weekly's, Coach Walton, Coach Gasso were running it?

I promise you all would sit kids that aren't producing and not cling to the same lineup every weekend with different orders. 


I am not the head coach so I don't see the kids in practice every day, they do. There is no explanation why certain kids always play with the production that is produced, unless the back ups are horrific. Judging on the start numbers by players it seems to be the case. If thats the case, it speaks volume to the recruiting/development of players. Either the head coach refuses to want to make changes or the back ups must be really bad. 

 

I don't know who the back ups are so maybe someone can fill me in



Well this is pretty clear


 



I think Beth is sympathetic to Shemiah's journey. Shemiah had a good year defensively, and played the part that Quinn did.... timely, significant hits despite a batting average that did not ring of "consistency".     

Also, I believe Beth may make promises to players, which is something I know a lot of coaches do, with some of the players. 

The backup players would be Springfield (now gone), Thornhill, Weinberger, Goff, Thymes,etc




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I think Beth is sympathetic to Shemiah's journey. Shemiah had a good year defensively, and played the part that Quinn did.... timely, significant hits despite a batting average that did not ring of "consistency".     

Also, I believe Beth may make promises to players, which is something I know a lot of coaches do, with some of the players. 

The backup players would be Springfield (now gone), Thornhill, Weinberger, Goff, Thymes,etc






Thank you

Shemiah's journey is very inspiring. People gave Quinn a hard time and last years squad has multiple kids produce much less than her.

I am not sure what promises are made but it shouldn't be a promise of, you get to start every game no matter what type stuff.

Benching some of the kids would be a good thing, not saying the backup would be much better but there would a greater sense of urgency due to competition and a fire being ignited behind some of these kids. I think that is very needed for any program to improve. If a kid holds a position with no threat of losing the position that is a major problem IMO. This is where complacency and players become stagnant and that hurts

Serrett if I am not mistaken was a highly recruited prospect, maybe she didn''t end up as expected but can anyone explain why her average at the plate has substantially dropped off year by year? Are her mechanics different or something?

She should be much better


No clue how good Thornhill is. Springfield showed life her freshmen year but early this season she did not start out well, power numbers were also way down before the injury. I see Claire had good stats but she didn't play very much. It seems like Torina sacrificed offense for defense in multiple positions, well it seems like it. 

Of all positions on the field I still think the catcher position needs to improve a bunch, despite Schlattman's improvements at the end of the season
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Thank you

Shemiah's journey is very inspiring. People gave Quinn a hard time and last years squad has multiple kids produce much less than her.

I am not sure what promises are made but it shouldn't be a promise of, you get to start every game no matter what type stuff.

Benching some of the kids would be a good thing, not saying the backup would be much better but there would a greater sense of urgency due to competition and a fire being ignited behind some of these kids. I think that is very needed for any program to improve. If a kid holds a position with no threat of losing the position that is a major problem IMO. This is where complacency and players become stagnant and that hurts

Serrett if I am not mistaken was a highly recruited prospect, maybe she didn''t end up as expected but can anyone explain why her average at the plate has substantially dropped off year by year? Are her mechanics different or something?

She should be much better


No clue how good Thornhill is. Springfield showed life her freshmen year but early this season she did not start out well, power numbers were also way down before the injury. I see Claire had good stats but she didn't play very much. It seems like Torina sacrificed offense for defense in multiple positions, well it seems like it. 





Serret is a good shortstop and like all the others she gives it all she's got. As for her hitting, I think its simply a case of either hitting the ball in the hole between two defenders, or hitting the ball right to the defender. She can hit some screamers, but she has been robbed of so many hits. 

I think her inconsistency comes from the the way she bats, and there is such a small time window for making contact with the ball. If you watch Antoine or (excuse me) Nicky Dawson, you see how long the bat is in the strike zone. Griggs is that way, too. It makes timing much less critical. 

Serret's launch of the bat is too vertical and starts too close to her head, goes almost straight down, then comes back up, since she hangs onto the bat throughout with both hands (nothing wrong with that, just pointing it out). Watch Antoine, or Griggs, and you see the bat spends more time on the plane where the ball is going to be. I am not good with English, hope that makes sense. 
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Is Springfield gone?
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Is Springfield gone?



Yes, not sure where she is transferring too. I am guessing a Big 12 school or somewhere in Texas 
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When Bailey and Savannah left, a lot of us were looking forward to the next year (this recent season) interested in seeing how the batting was changed for those who struggled.  

There weren't many changes at all. Doyle opened her stance up, probably so she could see the ball better. That was about it. 

If you remember when Jaquish played, her father was her batting coach. I think Howard deferred to him. It may be Howard's philosophy not to strip each batter of their individuality and force them to go with a set system, like Lotief had going. All the ULL batters were the same, had the same style.... You see this with Oklahoma, they all crouch down a bit, that's their batting coach.

There is really nothing about the LSU batters that makes them the same. They all do their own thing, and maybe that is how Howard wants it. People complain about batting coaches messing up their kids. Lot of people think Howard messed up Serret. I dont think that is the case, myself. 

I know if Serret ever gets her swing fixed, she is going to be a great hitter. Springfield, too. 

Going to be interesting to see if there are changes next year. You have to have more than two hitting above .300. 
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Serret is a good shortstop and like all the others she gives it all she's got. As for her hitting, I think its simply a case of either hitting the ball in the hole between two defenders, or hitting the ball right to the defender. She can hit some screamers, but she has been robbed of so many hits. 

I think her inconsistency comes from the the way she bats, and there is such a small time window for making contact with the ball. If you watch Antoine or (excuse me) Nicky Dawson, you see how long the bat is in the strike zone. Griggs is that way, too. It makes timing much less critical. 

Serret's launch of the bat is too vertical and starts too close to her head, goes almost straight down, then comes back up, since she hangs onto the bat throughout with both hands (nothing wrong with that, just pointing it out). Watch Antoine, or Griggs, and you see the bat spends more time on the plane where the ball is going to be. I am not good with English, hope that makes sense. 



No that makes perfect sense, thank you. Yea I wasn't fond of her bat angle breaking the plane of the plate in such a vertical position. I don't remember her batting like that before but its been years. 

While mechanics do play a major role, It looks like there is a bigger issue with pitch selection. You can have amazing mechanics but continue to swing at bad pitches and get confused on everything, it won't matter unfortunately 

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Baylor's first baseman graduated I believe...they might be interested in Springfield. 
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Yes, not sure where she is transferring too. I am guessing a Big 12 school or somewhere in Texas 



Ahh, hadn't heard that.  Thanks for the info!

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Amanda Doyle was always one of the top hitters in the country coming out of HS. She hit well her freshmen year but hit a patch then swung the bat with zero confidence. Not sure how you could screw up Doyle she was always a very good player. 


Biggest difference this year was her maturity and experience IMO 

She opened up her stance yes but she did not look flustered and let mistakes get to her like her first season which killed her


Hoping she hits outside curveballs better her junior year


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Amanda Doyle was always one of the top hitters in the country coming out of HS. She hit well her freshmen year but hit a patch then swung the bat with zero confidence. Not sure how you could screw up Doyle she was always a very good player. 


Biggest difference this year was her maturity and experience IMO 

She opened up her stance yes but she did not look flustered and let mistakes get to her like her first season which killed her


Hoping she hits outside curveballs better her junior year




The dreaded "outside pitch" that so many LSU players have struggled with. And with that stupid new rule about the batter's box, it's only going to become more of a challenge.  Some are so far off the plate it is ridiculous. I can't believe they see the film later and don't realize they are not going to hit the outside pitch standing as far away from the plate as they do.
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Curious if they keep the slapper rule. Its so hard to consistently enforce. 

BHS83 what is your lineup for next season?
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Curious if they keep the slapper rule. Its so hard to consistently enforce. 

BHS83 what is your lineup for next season?



Keeping in line with playing all the ones that you can play......and counting on Amanda Sanchez to transfer.....

Andrews CF--
Sunseri 1B--Clark
Amanda S. 2B--Shemiah
Doyle 3B
Shemiah/Clark DP
Schlatmann C
Thornhill LF
Serret SS
Antoine RF--

Sometimes starters.... Weinberger (outfield), Bourg (2B, outfield), Stewart (Outfield), Tidwell (Utility) Schulte (Utility) Goff (Second Base)

I'd put Antoine in the 9 spot to roll over the lineup, which is better for her than batting second. You have to have someone who can bunt batting second, and I honestly think Sunseri is going to do very well next year.

I'd move Andrews to Centerfield, although i am not sure how that would work. Amanda Sanchez is going to be the best hitter, and she is hard on pitchers, she works them very well. Doyle is only going to get better. 

As for DP, when Shemiah is not on the field, she can DP, and Clark can do the same when Sunseri is playing first base. 

Schlatmann will improve at catching I am sure, and she finished the season in impressive fashion. 

Thornhill has patiently pinch hit... give her a chance, as a senior, to start.

Lets hope that both Serret and Schulte get an A to Z remake on their hitting. 

As for the sometime starters, defense shouldn't be a problem for any of them. Goff has a good swing, and she has a good eye for the ball. Well coached. 

I'd let Sunseri bat when she pitches, but it doesnt always have to be that way.

I am going to go out on a limb and predict LSU will finish third or four in the SEC, and wouldnt be surprised if they ended up second. The experts will disagree, but they got it all wrong last year so who cares?



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I just hope we roll everyone out there and let the kids who play the best start/see more opportunities regardless of classification 

Next years squad needs to be offensive minded when it comes to lineups

Sunseri is going to kill it next year. Imagine what her season stats would look like if she had the entire first month of cupcake games to get ready and in tune for conference play
I am expecting 10+ home runs from her and Doyle next season

Clark could easily do that to with the way she hits 

I think the two OF recruits will impress you, Stewart is legit. She has been impressive with the Georgia Impact travel ball team

I think 3rd or 4th is crazy as of now, I'll say 6th, which essentially means top 15-20 nationally. Its way too many questions to put them that high, pitchers are unproven, though I expect them to do well. Offense most importantly has not proven they can hit consistently, just too many holes overall at the moment

But if LSU adds a transfer or two it could change. 

If the lineup remains unchanged we very well could be bottom of the conference
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I just hope we roll everyone out there and let the kids who play the best start/see more opportunities regardless of classification 

Next years squad needs to be offensive minded when it comes to lineups

Sunseri is going to kill it next year. Imagine what her season stats would look like if she had the entire first month of cupcake games to get ready and in tune for conference play
I am expecting 10+ home runs from her and Doyle next season

Clark could easily do that to with the way she hits 

I think the two OF recruits will impress you, Stewart is legit. She has been impressive with the Georgia Impact travel ball team

I think 3rd or 4th is crazy as of now, I'll say 6th, which essentially means top 15-20 nationally. Its way too many questions to put them that high, pitchers are unproven, though I expect them to do well. Offense most importantly has not proven they can hit consistently, just too many holes overall at the moment

But if LSU adds a transfer or two it could change. 

If the lineup remains unchanged we very well could be bottom of the conference


If LSU is sixth, what five teams do you think will be ahead of them?
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Florida, Kentucky, South Carolina, Tennessee, Arkansas, maybe Georgia too, 

Kentucky and South Carolina return a lot of people and add some key recruits, both will be very improved.

Arkansas will be improved, they return a lot as well, and Half is a year older. 

Tennessee is Tennessee, but they do have some big time recruits a head, they have a star catcher and pitcher coming in too

I just think "as of now" its crazy to say we will finish better in the SEC standings next season than we did this season with Hoover and Walljasper

Alabama remains a mystery but they add Fouts, and get a really good transfer pitcher. 


Point being, no doubt there is a lot of potential but so much is completely unproven. Until this team proves that they can improve on their hitting I will expect the worst which is sad to say. 

How LSU does next season largely depends on how the offense performs and as an LSU fan, that is scary to say as of now 


How many games would we have lost this season if we didn't have Walljasper and Hoover holding down the fort? Helluva lot more thats for sure


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LSU 2018 OFFENSIVE STATS

LSU ranked #188 nationally in batting average

LSU ranked #166 nationally in scoring

LSU ranked #157 nationally in slugging percentage 


Also ranked outside the top 100 in OB percentage as well, if it weren't for the pitchers the season would have been a lot worse.


The offense needs to be dramatically better next season, and do it with much more consistency to have a chance


But we all continue to say the same thing after every season and nothing is done
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If LSU is sixth, what five teams do you think will be ahead of them?


Florida will always be close to the top with Walton and Barnhill.

Kentucky is bringing back almost every player from last season.

South Carolina ^^

Georgia can be a powerhouse if they find good pitching.

Arkansas has two good, experienced pitchers in the circle along with a good lineup and incoming freshman.

Tennessee will be in the mix up there too. If their pitchers can get better, they should be at least 4th.

I would place LSU 7th.
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Who knows about Bama as well, they return Tow, Hemphill, Brown, Callaway all who batted over .300 and put up many extra base hits


They then add Fouts and Wallace who are immediate impact players. It will come down to how the pitchers do but the offense returns its best players and add some powerful bats
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But good news LSU fans, Torina has some big time players committed for the next two to three classes

Just not sure how that helps for this season lol

 
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The chance of Amanda Sanchez coming to LSU is about less than 1% She has been gone from mizzu even earlier than when we played them. She will be heading out west.....stop dreaming!
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The chance of Amanda Sanchez coming to LSU is about less than 1% She has been gone from mizzu even earlier than when we played them. She will be heading out west.....stop dreaming!


TB357 posted earlier that she is at Oregon, is that where she's headed?
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If LSU can’t pick up a transfer with a big bat we are screwed
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LSU 2018 OFFENSIVE STATS

LSU ranked #188 nationally in batting average

LSU ranked #166 nationally in scoring

LSU ranked #157 nationally in slugging percentage 


Also ranked outside the top 100 in OB percentage as well, if it weren't for the pitchers the season would have been a lot worse.


The offense needs to be dramatically better next season, and do it with much more consistency to have a chance


But we all continue to say the same thing after every season and nothing is done


This is a real possibility for the 2019 season. Pitching kept this from happening this last year.

Some are pipe dreaming to think LSU will end up in the top of the SEC in 2019 with the same bats and unproven pitching.

Several SEC teams will be much improved for the 2019 season.
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This is a real possibility for the 2019 season. Pitching kept this from happening this last year.

Some are pipe dreaming to think LSU will end up in the top of the SEC in 2019 with the same bats and unproven pitching.

Several SEC teams will be much improved for the 2019 season.


I honestly don’t know how Torina is going to fix it at this point
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LSUs offensive problems are not because of Howard Dobson. He does the best with what he works with!

It’s all on Torina
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LSUs offensive problems are not because of Howard Dobson. He does the best with what he works with!

It’s all on Torina


Hey Grindz, you have someone to talk to about Dobson, well unless this is one of your other nicknames.
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