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JackDandy

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I think it's ok to preach to everyone else about the dangers of green house gasses while you drive a gas guzzling SUV and fly in a private jet, because if you can get everyone except you to quit burning fossil fuels, then gee, we could save a lot of fuel for the next guy that needs to drive around in an SUV preaching about the dangers of green house gasses. 

Harry Reid arrives at clean energy summit -- in fleet of SUVs!

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Let Harry enjoy himself for his final 40 days.

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JD-got a good one for you,no source,but sent to me.
" How to anger the MSM,Liberals & Form a racist hate group:
1. Gather Americans who know their rights & love their country
2. Pledge allegiance to the flag of USA[one nation UNDER GOD]
3. Affirm that the Constitution of the USA is the supreme law
4. Demand that our elected officials follow the letter of the law
5. Demand that our elected representatives honor their oath to office.
6. Demand that our elected representatives protect Americans & secure our borders.
7. Demand smaller government
8. Demand lower taxes.

Now,JD, that will hack them off to no end & get you called every thing from a radical to a racist to a nut job or I have heard worse......I guess it is because these are such awful things.

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JoiseyGuy

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old scout - I question where my political nation is headed when Jon Stewart's "March to Restore Sanity" makes the most sense to me.
PS - I say this after reading a slanted article that suggests that the Democrats, after years of hearing "Socialists" thrown at them by fanatical Republican conservatives, should prepare their own fanatical agenda after they lose the government to Republicans to include hate banners damning "Capitalist Fascists". "Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio? A grieving nation turns its eyes to you." Why is it so difficult to find a hero these days? Where is the agenda for the Moderates?

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JackDandy

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Oldscout, that is dead on!! Our country has moved so far to the left, that simply believing that we should follow the constitution makes you an extreme right winger or a hater.

Here are a couple of stats that the democrats would call progress:
Nearly half of all Americans live in a household in which someone receives government benefits, more than at any time in history. At the same time, the fraction of American households not paying federal income taxes has also grown -- to an estimated 45% in 2010, from 39% five years ago, according to the Tax Policy Center, a nonpartisan research organization. Pretty soon we will have the majority of Americans receiving govt assistance but about 25% of Americans paying for it.
Democrats believe that if they can get the majority of people out of paying income taxes yet able to receive govt assistance (they will get them paying in other ways without them knowing) then those people will always vote for them. They do this with class envy.

You know the old democrat saying: If we rob Peter to pay Paul, then Paul will always vote for us.

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JD - I assume that your first premise in your last post is either intended hyperbole or else faulty logic that established a base for a faulty conclusion. As a moderate, I find conservatives viewing me as a liberal, and liberals viewing me as a conservative. Since I have no political party, I tend to operate with individual views on specific issues, so I could never please either extreme. Where are the moderates? I do read a tremendous amount of yellow journalism and mud slinging, especially (though not exclusively) around election time. Am I wrong in perceiving (it could be just what I read or view) a political black or white mentality situation in our nation, more than usual?
PS - I agree with you about our left leaning courts, and would add law enforcement (just one of my conservative stances). By the way, have you heard the obviously slanted saying, "Republicans say, 'If we rob Peter to pay Paul, maybe we can make a profit'.?" (just reacting to your last line )

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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JD, still waiting for you to weigh in on what the Republican plan is.  Lots and lots of criticizing, complaining, sophomoric emails, and whining, but nary a word on what they would do differently. 

You are always available to let us know what the Democrats believe, or what the Democrats are doing, but tell us, specifically what the Republicans are going to do to right the ship.


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POV, wait no longer. I posted this 2 days ago in response to your/Indy request:

Well Indyruns, lets see... if elected, the Republicans promise to repeal Obamacare, defeat cap and tax, put an end to the record debt that the democrats have created, get rid of the pay czar and the dozens of other czars that Obama hired, promote business friendly legislation, and bring back the jobs that have been lost on Obama's watch.
Those are good enough reasons right there to elect Republicans this November. 
Any more questions? 

 
In addition to those things, here are a few more: Republicans will nominate judges who believe in and follow the constitution rather than legislate from the bench. They will give our troops rules of engagement that don't make them wait to be fired on before firing back. They will move us closer to energy independence by drilling for oil in Alaska and off shore where Obama has forbidden it. They will put an end to these ridiculous union paybacks that Obama disguises as stimulus.
There ya go, that should keep your mind busy for a while.


 

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POV, one thing that democrats just don't get (or refuse to admit) is that business's right now are sitting on almost 2 Trillion dollars. Do you think they are holding on to it because of greed? No, if they were greedy they would want to increase that stockpile and the only way they can do that is by hiring more workers to make them more money. They are holding it because of uncertainty. Here is the problem, business owners know that Obama's policies are bad for business. Until they are certain how much more they will have to pay in taxes, what Obamacare will cost them, and if cap and tax will be passed, they are not going to invest in hiring more employees. Not to mention, many small business owners fall into the evil rich category of grossing more than $250K, so they know their taxes are getting ready to go up.  


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the Republicans promise to repeal Obamacare, defeat cap and tax, put an end to the record debt that the democrats have created,  get rid of the pay czar and the dozens of other czars that Obama hired, promote business friendly legislation, and bring back the jobs that have been lost on Obama's watch.
Those are good enough reasons right there to elect Republicans this November. 
Any more questions? 


Yes I do, thank you.  How JD.....how.  Exactly how are the Repubicans going to end record debt?  How are the Republicans going to reduce UE?   "business friendly legislation"?  What does that mean exactly....secure the corporate welfare to Big Energy, Big Pharmaceutical and Big Insurance for many years to come? Reduce their tax load?  Oh wait many of them didn't even pay taxes last year.... not to the United States anyway.
Think Progress ยป ExxonMobil paid no federal income tax in 2009. (Updated)

Stop with the anti-Obama regurgitation and give us the details of what/how your superior leadership proposes to  accomplish these lofty tasks? Maybe you could share your links so that we all can see what material is responsible for that thought process of yours.  Go ahead and copy us those emails too.  Would love to read the higher level thinking in those.   Talk is cheap and it's absolutely worthless unless you have a viable plan.....with details. Of course it's just plain easier to criticize the other guys instead of offering up a solution.

Curious JD......jobs may have been lost on Obama's watch but are you aware of who was at the helm.....for 8 years when the UE  catalyst took place?  How do you explain that away?

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JD, still waiting for you to weigh in on what the Republican plan is.  Lots and lots of criticizing, complaining, sophomoric emails, and whining, but nary a word on what they would do differently. 

You are always available to let us know what the Democrats believe, or what the Democrats are doing, but tell us, specifically what the Republicans are going to do to right the ship.


I kind of like the ideas by 3 young Republicans...Cantor[TN.], Ryan[ WI.] & McCarthy{ CA.}.I am sure you can find much by googling them to agree with & disagree with. The Republican leadership has seen fit to even point out that their plan of attack to improving our economy is not the one they put forth. I assume that is because they believe entitlement programs like SS & medicare,etc. needed to be addressed & that is a NO NO to most people ,even though they both are going or are broke.

I think it was Ryan that recently said that his ideas could well lose him his seat,but he was elected to be honest with the people & that is what he will do.
Throw Gov Christie in with these 3 and at least we got some young guns.

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JackDandy

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POV, how do you reduce debt? You increase revenue to the federal government and at the same time cut the budget. How do we do that? By stimulating the economy and lowering unemployment. How do you do that? By lowering taxes and reducing the burden on businesses. In other words you stop punishing the achievers who hire workers.
By the way, this has worked every time it has been tried.

See my previous post.. but since you didn't read it here it is again:

POV, one thing that democrats just don't get (or refuse to admit) is that business's right now are sitting on almost 2 Trillion dollars. Do you think they are holding on to it because of greed? No, if they were greedy they would want to increase that stockpile and the only way they can do that is by hiring more workers to make them more money. They are holding it because of uncertainty. Here is the problem, business owners know that Obama's policies are bad for business. Until they are certain how much more they will have to pay in taxes, what Obamacare will cost them, and if cap and tax will be passed, they are not going to invest in hiring more employees. Not to mention, many small business owners fall into the evil rich category of grossing more than $250K, so they know their taxes are getting ready to go up.  

Oh and yes I can explain "again" how the economy started its decline when Bush was in office. It started with the housing market and the mass forclosures thanks to the democrats. Frank, Dodd, and the rest of the bunch who insisted that Fannie and Freddy were just fine. Not to mention the community re-investment act which basically forced banks to loan to unqualified home buyers. With the democrats in control of congress the last 2 years of Bush's presidency, Republicans could do nothing to stop the Fannie Freddy train wreck with the democrats standing in their way.
 

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         A Short Spelling Lesson
 
         The last four letters in American.........I Can 
         
         The last four letters in Republican.......I Can 
         
          The last four letters in Democrats........Rats 
         
         
       End of Lesson! 

        No need to thank me, I  am just helping you expand your education.

JoiseyGuy

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blue dog - Cmon !!!!! Childish name calling.
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
Dewey

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Good spot for a couple of columns by a Liberal:

Democrats Need to Turn Off Fox News

Be glad the tea party wasn't running the government when the recession hit
indyrun

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Thanks, Dewey - what a great way to start off my day. Going to be a great one!

JoiseyGuy

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Is it my imagination, or do posts or comments from the right contain more vitriol and outright nastiness than those from the left? Of course that could come from plain old dislike or avid disagreement with the Party in power, and resentment that they are in power. The elected, when elected, become easy targets for the snipers with opposing views. Perhaps the tables will be turned in the next two elections, and then the left can have its opportunity to be nasty and divisive. So it goes unfortunately.
PS - Have our elections become a matter of whom we vote against instead of whom we vote for, and have our times between elections become a time for demonizing the opposing Party in power while readying for the next election?

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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These posts by JD sound an awful lot like Wannabe...  I wonder how many posts one person can post under various names but still sound like the same person?  HMMMM?
bluedog, you lost any credibility you previously demonstrated by your last post...what a shame!
indyrun

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JG - just an observation. 

When basically your entire "politic" seems to tend toward being against/antagonistic about virtually everything that most on the other side support and believe in - such as freedom of choice, health care for all, immigrants from Mexico, Obama everything (from citizenship, religion, getting up in the morning), gay marriage, gays in military, gays in general, Muslims, any non-Christian leanings, govt services, and on and on, that can tend to be viewed as vitriol, nastiness, negativism, and just plain meanness. 

Pretty much, in MY view, what that party has become, more and more, to represent. Look at their primary spokespersons - Savage, Coulter, Limbaugh, Beck - do the terms nasty, vitriol, mean, racist, jump into your mind? 
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indy - I try to remember that "A cynic is an idealist who has seen too much". I know that I have become cynical in my old age. I keep telling myself that I still have my freedoms, and that means a lot, but I've seen too much corruption of the election process, as well as a corrupted form of government especially within the Congress of our USA. Still, what I see is what I see. In my eyes, the conservative Republican (very effective politically) nastiness and demonizing began just after Obama took the first sentence of the oath of office and has remained as negative or worse than that, leading in many cases to emotional frenzy.

Maybe they learned from the anti-Bush campaign that Obama's people ran successfully during the last Presidential election. At least they didn't start in depth until the campaign began, and were not as personally nasty, though they feasted on Bush's negative press results and general lack of popularity at the end of his second term. Today I see a Party out of office that hasn't wasted any time at all in persuading voters through negative media and on line negative material, often hidden in pseudo humor, and it's constant. I could be wrong, but I think I've seen politically based movements in Congress designed to torpedo Obama's agenda. It is way too much Party oriented instead of nation oriented for me. I much prefer an administration whose concerns are for all its citizenry and not just for its Party members.

I guess that I'll just have to sit back and figure out what Presidential candidate to vote against.


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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Good links Dewey and good advice.

Personnally I've decided not to respond to the retreads, hypocrites and such. I'm disappointed that I've let myself get sucked in and vow not to let that happen again.  Life's too short.  Anyway, that's my plan.

Good day for football and wife required yardwork.


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bluedog, you lost any credibility you previously demonstrated by your last post...what a shame!
 


Masare, how many times are you gonna tell me this?

Ah, nevermind, if you like saying it, go ahead and say it every now and then....
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Look at their primary spokespersons - Savage, Coulter, Limbaugh, Beck - do the terms nasty, vitriol, mean, racist, jump into your mind? 


Indy, are you judging people again?
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bd - you are SO easy - you, the ultimate master of judging virtually everyone.  You do it every time you open your Bible and your mouth.

And, as an aside, how would YOU describe these bottom feeders I named? Nice folk?  Snap shot of the "best we have"?  You are some piece of work...
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Personnally I've decided not to respond to the........ hypocrites and such. 


Mr. self-righteous, well then,  you will be a lonely, lonely person.....


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 .........such as freedom of choice, health care for all, immigrants from Mexico,........ gay marriage, gays in military, gays in general, Muslims, any non-Christian leanings, govt services,


Immigrants from Mexico?....Are you that lost?.....Or, just that deceitful?....Ahhh.....

Gay marriage, gays in military, gay anything, many Government services and illegal aliens from anywhere, I'm not in favor of.....Muslims are on the wrong path and need to convert to Bible teaching.... 

I don't support any campaign party.....Unlike you, Indy....

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I'm actually sorry for you - you are so isolated from reality. 

JackDandy

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 You libs ask for substance and real ideas and answers so I post the following:
POV, how do you reduce debt? You increase revenue to the federal government and at the same time cut the budget. How do we do that? By stimulating the economy and lowering unemployment. How do you do that? By lowering taxes and reducing the burden on businesses. In other words you stop punishing the achievers who hire workers.
By the way, this has worked every time it has been tried.

See my previous post.. but since you didn't read it here it is again:

POV, one thing that democrats just don't get (or refuse to admit) is that business's right now are sitting on almost 2 Trillion dollars. Do you think they are holding on to it because of greed? No, if they were greedy they would want to increase that stockpile and the only way they can do that is by hiring more workers to make them more money. They are holding it because of uncertainty. Here is the problem, business owners know that Obama's policies are bad for business. Until they are certain how much more they will have to pay in taxes, what Obamacare will cost them, and if cap and tax will be passed, they are not going to invest in hiring more employees. Not to mention, many small business owners fall into the evil rich category of grossing more than $250K, so they know their taxes are getting ready to go up.  

Oh and yes I can explain "again" how the economy started its decline when Bush was in office. It started with the housing market and the mass foreclosures thanks to the democrats. Frank, Dodd, and the rest of the bunch who insisted that Fannie and Freddy were just fine. Not to mention the community re-investment act which basically forced banks to loan to unqualified home buyers. With the democrats in control of congress the last 2 years of Bush's presidency, Republicans could do nothing to stop the Fannie Freddy train wreck with the democrats standing in their way.

Then instead of actually responding with intellectual debate, you libs spend the next dozen posts calling Republicans nasty vitriolic, gay Muslim hating, cynical racist.
Oh well, my fault for expecting intellectual debate from mental midgets.  


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JD - Ah yes, of course you are one of the great minds of our time, and the rest of the posters here are "mental midgets". Then you wonder why posters accuse you of being nasty and overbearing and do not engage you in discourse? Try looking in the mirror for a definition or arrogance.

Everything to you is personal and an attempt to prove how much "smarter" you are than others. This appears to be extremely important to you. Your messages, if delivered differently, might be palatable. They get lost in your personal attacks and condescending attitude. Your intellectual gifts are lost in your attitude and lack of humility. Here in UCS you are not a very likable man. I truly hope that you are different elsewhere.

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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Originally Posted by indyrun
JG - just an observation. 

When basically your entire "politic" seems to tend toward being against/antagonistic about virtually everything that most on the other side support and believe in - such as freedom of choice, health care for all, immigrants from Mexico, Obama everything (from citizenship, religion, getting up in the morning), gay marriage, gays in military, gays in general, Muslims, any non-Christian leanings, govt services, and on and on, that can tend to be viewed as vitriol, nastiness, negativism, and just plain meanness. 

Pretty much, in MY view, what that party has become, more and more, to represent. Look at their primary spokespersons - Savage, Coulter, Limbaugh, Beck - do the terms nasty, vitriol, mean, racist, jump into your mind? 
Schultz[Ed show],Keith Olhberman{?],MAHER,Matthews,, I'd say it's a push.Have you ever watched the Maher show or Ed show?....Just saying

By the way,none of those people speak for me & I am a Conservative.

Indy-If you got tickets to the game AZ/IA. I envy you. 

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