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Softball98mom

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No, they’re not. Multiple programs have surprisingly tough fitness tests that have to be passed before they’ll allow the player to compete.


Which isn’t always adhered to, or a ‘passing’ grade changes with each player and what they are capabale of.
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Which isn’t always adhered to,


Are you talking about when a coach says that anyone who doesn't pass their fitness goals doesn't get to start...but is in the starting lineup the next week???
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No, they’re not. Multiple programs have surprisingly tough fitness tests that have to be passed before they’ll allow the player to compete.



mmmmmhmmmmm.

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No offense to us softball players but we picked softball because we are not the fittest people on the planet and we hit home runs as a result.

At MD, fitness test has no bearing on actual softball skills, used to haze the freshmen (what softball player needs to run miles and clean and jerk weights like a lineman). Plus haze those who are in their eyes, overweight (but aren't really), and perhaps if the roster needs to be weeded for more scholly money for a transfer, well.....


Now I know why you hate men so much.

Don't speak for me when you say we picked softball because we are not in shape.

Btw, nobody hits home runs as a result of not being in the best shape. What a stupid thing to say.
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Now I know why you hate men so much.

Don't speak for me when you say we picked softball because we are not in shape.

Btw, nobody hits home runs as a result of not being in the best shape. What a stupid thing to say.


That is Softball from 15 - 20 years ago. With 60 foot bases it is a combination speed and power game today but everything is done quicker. While HRs are still important you better be able to defend the whole field and put pressure on the defense when on base.

If you ask any long time college coach what has changed they will tell you the quality of athletes and speed of the game.
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That is Softball from 15 - 20 years ago. With 60 foot bases it is a combination speed and power game today but everything is done quicker. While HRs are still important you better be able to defend the whole field and put pressure on the defense when on base.

If you ask any long time college coach what has changed they will tell you the quality of athletes and speed of the game.


Agreed.
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No offense to us softball players but we picked softball because we are not the fittest people on the planet and we hit home runs as a result.

At MD, fitness test has no bearing on actual softball skills, used to haze the freshmen (what softball player needs to run miles and clean and jerk weights like a lineman). Plus haze those who are in their eyes, overweight (but aren't really), and perhaps if the roster needs to be weeded for more scholly money for a transfer, well.....


Speak for yourself.
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That is Softball from 15 - 20 years ago. With 60 foot bases it is a combination speed and power game today but everything is done quicker. While HRs are still important you better be able to defend the whole field and put pressure on the defense when on base.

If you ask any long time college coach what has changed they will tell you the quality of athletes and speed of the game.

So, all positions should be held to the same cardio and speed standards??? Some of the top softball players in the country would not be able to pass the fitness test that some coaches impose. The players know whether or not their teammates can actually pass the test and lose respect for the coaching staff when some players allegedly “pass” while others have to keep trying and trying before they can _________. Funny how the coach is the only one keeping and seeing the stopwatch. Call it whatever you want to call it, but it is what it is and happens at many schools.
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In truth, I am very small and fast, but my team at UMD would not have been what it was without those girls rejected by others for not being fit, mostly pitchers, catchers and third basemen. You don't need much of whatever grand fitness of today's athletes you are spouting to play those positions, plus I would put them up against today's players, based on knowing the game and taking ownership.

We were not some old school band of whatever you think history was. (Good grief, when I played is now the old days?) I was there. We had weight rooms and cardio sessions, and in fact, there was more attention to tailoring weighlifting to softball than there is now, in the age of big time.

Our team was better than the one now, that I can say. I would not turn down Babe Ruth, after all.
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Lamar is an attractive job for the right coach. 
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It is always women coaches who do this.  


Not it is not.  I know of one male top25 coach who at one point (can't speak to if he still does) kept his players on a strict diet and had them record everything they ate.  Not only a female coach thing.
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So, all positions should be held to the same cardio and speed standards??? Some of the top softball players in the country would not be able to pass the fitness test that some coaches impose. The players know whether or not their teammates can actually pass the test and lose respect for the coaching staff when some players allegedly “pass” while others have to keep trying and trying before they can _________. Funny how the coach is the only one keeping and seeing the stopwatch. Call it whatever you want to call it, but it is what it is and happens at many schools.


Is there any situation where better fitness would not help a players perdormance. Could a “bigger pitcher” not benefit from better endurance to go deeper into a game.

Obviously you don’t need to expect a power hitting first baseman to be held to the same standards as a slapper with speed and agility. But does it hurt to make sure every player meets a basic fitness standard. I don’t think so.
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Is there any situation where better fitness would not help a players perdormance. Could a “bigger pitcher” not benefit from better endurance to go deeper into a game.

Obviously you don’t need to expect a power hitting first baseman to be held to the same standards as a slapper with speed and agility. But does it hurt to make sure every player meets a basic fitness standard. I don’t think so.

I completely agree with your comments, but obviously this isn’t obvious to the coaches that hold the power hitters and pitchers to the same speed and cardio test requirements as their slappers. The slappers with a reasonable fitness level have no problems passing the tests. However, After completing many other timed sprints with little rest in between, the very last thing in the fitness test is that the power hitters and pitchers have to run two home to home times and meet the same times as the speedsters. The players know which girls can’t possibly pass, but some of them “somehow” pass early in the process while others take the entire fall to be awarded a passing time. Therefore, it just becomes another tool to run players off.
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God you are a lunatic.. You were never “pretty darn good” at anything other than man hating and MD bashing
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spazsdad -- that was a little out of left field.   Is there an accumulation of posts that led to that comment?  And god is not a lunatic [biggrin]
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spazsdad -- that was a little out of left field.   Is there an accumulation of posts that led to that comment?  And god is not a lunatic [biggrin]


Dunnin...terpalum is an absolute manhating woman who insists men who never played softball cannot coach, among other wacked out stuff.
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Is this really the Lamar thread? Seems to be a different topic.
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Dunnin...terpalum is an absolute manhating woman who insists men who never played softball cannot coach, among other wacked out stuff.
ah, well, hating men is almost understandable, given the way we behave half the time.   But hate is such a waste of energy.

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And god is not a lunatic [biggrin]

Hence the lack of a comma

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Is there any situation where better fitness would not help a players perdormance. Could a “bigger pitcher” not benefit from better endurance to go deeper into a game.

Obviously you don’t need to expect a power hitting first baseman to be held to the same standards as a slapper with speed and agility. But does it hurt to make sure every player meets a basic fitness standard. I don’t think so.


Yes, there are situations where better physical fitness, or more precisely, weight reduction, even to a "healthier" weight, can affect performance. A pitcher that loses weight, especially during the season, can become much less effective. Pitchers that gain weight can be more effective. Obviously there is a balance. If someone is so unfit they can't finish a game, that's a problem.
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The problem with fitness test for softball (or baseball players for that matter) is that there is almost no research supporting the relationship between most fitness measures and performance. Common sense tells us that distance running has no relationship to batting average or fielding prowess.  If fact, there's virtually no case to be made for cardiovascular fitness in softball except for pitchers and maybe catchers. Spend any weekend watching some of the best teams in country and you'll see many stars are technically obese (BMI > 30).  The whole 'training cycle" in many programs is just silly.  Players need to pass fitness tests to practice in the fall.  Through Sept/Oct and early Nov they work hard. Then fall ball ends they work less head home for the holidays and many don't workout (lets' be honest) losing much of the gains they've made in the early fall. The other down side of fitness training is the number of injuries that occur in the weight room.  Again, there's little research here but my observation suggests that more than 50% of all injuries occur during some type of conditioning as opposed to actual practice. Don't even get me started on the programs who bring in outside 'boot camp' trainers to instill toughness. I appreciate the fact that slimmer, fitter women will ultimately have better, healthier lives but they do not necessarily make better softball players.  I think many coaches fall victim to 'me to' thinking about conditioning wanting their players to 'work as hard' as the basketball or soccer athletes with little regard to whether it actually improves performance on the field.
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I’m a strong believer that weight training and speed and agility work produce better hitters, fielders that can cover more ground and provide more speed on the bases. I will agree that boot camps cause injuries and coaches use fitness tests to their advantage to punish and get rid of players while out of shape players they like magically always seem to pass.
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ah, well, hating men is almost understandable, given the way we behave half the time.   But hate is such a waste of energy.
Is it?

 

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Is this really the Lamar thread? Seems to be a different topic.


Seems to have got way off track

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http://kfdm.com/news/local/bruder

Bruder and her assistant are filing grievances against the school.
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http://kfdm.com/news/local/bruder

Bruder and her assistant are filing grievances against the school.


I have no first hand knowledge of what is going on at Lamar, but I happen to know really well the staff member that was involved in the sandwich thing that got this all started.  I would bet all the money I could that it didn't go down like this player is saying.  This staff member is as good as a person as I have been around in the game of softball.
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Terp - You realize the coaches are female right?
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And sometimes...SOMETIMES...bad people lie or twist the truth about good people.  Not shocking you are against the coach on this, but a quick and immediate response by an AD on a coach over a story as odd as this indicates an AD with no backbone.  We live in a society were the knee jerk reacion most the time is to suspend someone.  The old adage of "do something" is now interpreted to mean you have to react...then figure it out.  

To me the coach fighting this is fantastic.  If this didn't go down how the player and her dad (because we all know softball dads are saints) then she has every right to have her story heard as well.  

And if you say this will hurt the coach at the end of this more than if she would just start looking for another job because a player/dad got the best of her, then you clearly don't appreciate what it takes to be a coach.  Her name is mud right now and good for her to stand up and fight back against this.  

There is an initial write on the same website announcing the "investigation".  It ends with dad just wanting his kid released so she can go play someplace else...that's one of the best lines in this.  What...you have a player who possibly fabricated a story about civil rights violations...well heck yeah, sign her up here for sure. [thumb][thumb]
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Good people do bad things. There really are not coaching "degrees" or leadership training for that matter for coaches, and today as a result, they get caught up in all kinds of power moves and drama, based on what they think coaching is.As a former player who is still close to a few college teams, it really is not hard to believe the story happened, and I believe the player, especially because the school took immediate and harsh action. It is a simple story.


Think about it, there are too many coaches today. Beyond that, they determine their own schedules/approaches/sytes, albeit around grueling traveling, and really go unaccountable for most of the time. They lash out through the things and people (below them, players) they can control.

Tons of turnover in the assistant coaching ranks, not paid well, etc. For the coaches' sake, I hope they spend more time finding new jobs, as this will just prolong their agony and make it difficult to get a new job.


Sure coaches get caught up in power moves and drama, so do most bosses in work places, government officials and just about every person with a job little.  Reading over this the little I have my guess everyone in D1 could get fired for something similar or worse they have done.  

Again I have no personal info on this, I just know the staff member involved in the sandwich deal and it's so far fetched for the person she is, I just have a hard time believing it.

If the player was truly mistreated and just not being a little whinny brat, I hope she gets what she deserves as far as release/schooly etc.  If not I hope the coaches can clear their name.
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Terpalum....are you that dense? If you read the story it's right in front of you. The AD didn't like the "culture" of the program. The coaches and the lawyer word play that statement. 

The head coach and asst coach are lesbian partners! They have a 2nd kid on they way. They do not hide their relationship. Hello?!?!? The AD saw an opportunity to get rid of the "culture" he did not like. Hutch will not have any say in the new hire here, but maybe she should. 

Fact is, the players loved their coaches and wanted to fight for them. The AD would not listen to them or take their statements. He enforced a gag order on them but allowed the dad to ramble on. 

This may not end well for the AD. 
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