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HenryLouisAaron

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Kelly Kretschman just wrote an article on the rift between team USA and the NPF... if any of you are interested... 

http://www.flosoftball.com/article/60016-kelly-kretschman-healing-the-rift-between-usa-softball-and-the-npf#.WYnYW1GGPyQ
smileyface

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From what I understand they are just exhibition games and no medals will be awarded. So why the fuss?
TheNarrator

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Why wouldn't medals be awarded.  Golf was a new event in 2016 and they received them.

Link?
jayrot

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Medals is the furthest thing from the issue.  As Americans and softball fans we want to see the sport back in the Olympics and see our team winning, but there is no way this is sustainable as an Olympic event in the long-term until there can be other countries that can at least put up competitive teams.  In other words, for it to stay in the Olympics, we need other non-USA/Japan teams to pick it up.  I doubt it'll happen, but at least we will get to see the sport in the Olympics at least one or two more times.

It's kinda like SEC softball.  I need Arkansas, Ole Miss and MSU to field competitive teams, but I don't want them to be competitive enough to take a series from my team.
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The article was ridiculous. Would Major League Baseball allow it's players to play in the Olympics in the middle of the season and would an Olympic baseball team expect them to do so? You either are pro, or you can play in the Olympics.
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Not anymore. Didn't it all come to a screeching halt when our basketball team lost many years back? Shoot, we were the ONLY country NOT sending our pro athletes till then. I to like the idea of only amateurs competing.
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I to like the idea of only amateurs competing.


Why?  Why should it be the only sport where only amateurs are competing?
TruDat

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Outofzone, basketball is played in the Winter. MLB is in the summer along with the Olympics. See the difference?
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The article was ridiculous. Would Major League Baseball allow it's players to play in the Olympics in the middle of the season and would an Olympic baseball team expect them to do so? You either are pro, or you can play in the Olympics.


Tell that to hockey players.
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MLS works its schedule around the World Cup, as does every soccer league on the planet, I'm pretty sure.

NPF will happily adjust its schedule for a couple of weeks to get Olympic exposure for its stars.
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Outofzone, basketball is played in the Winter. MLB is in the summer along with the Olympics. See the difference?


Come on man. Point was, until we got our feelings hurt, we were only sending our amateurs to the Olympics. Not sure who the Bonehead was that decided we should send our pros but, there was no need to pee on the street corner just to prove we were better athletes.
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Olympics have gotten out of control...period.
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Come on man. Point was, until we got our feelings hurt, we were only sending our amateurs to the Olympics. Not sure who the Bonehead was that decided we should send our pros but, there was no need to pee on the street corner just to prove we were better athletes.


I think the "Dream Team" in the 1992 Barcelona Olympics was the first time the US used professional athletes.
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At least softball players have a domestic professional league. Volleyball players have to go overseas to play professionally, but 12 do get a chance to play in the Olympics every four years. USA Volleyball does have different teams going to different level tournaments, but all of the participating players are in the national team gym.

The Olympics are a while away - having NPF players on the National Team for 2018 is not a high priority. 2019 and, especially, 2020 will be a different story. The NHL releases their best players, mid-season, to play in the Olympics, because ultimately it helps, rather than hurts, its bottom line.
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I heard the NHL will no longer go dark for the Olympics.

Softball is only in the Olympics because Japan is hosting and host countries get to add a couple events.
And it really is a hard sell as a sport. Most countries are not competitive, or even field a team and for the host city you need a purpose built, one sport use facility.
The games are corrupt enough and expensive enough. Who would want the extra expense after all the bribes they had to pay just to host
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In the first place, the idea that only amateurs participated in the Olympics was a hoax made possible only by some rather absurd definitions of amateur.  I won't even get into the European ski advertising contracts.  I'll just deal a little with what we were sending as "amateurs."

When OU's Lester Lane went to the Olympics, I think you will probably find that he was actually employed by Phillips 66.  Most of our "Amateur USA basketball team" was employed by Phillips 66.  Their job responsibilities were to play basketball.  It didn't pay as much as the pros.  But, it wasn't that much less.  The pros hadn't reached the zeniths yet.

If you examine a lot of our amateur boxers, track stars, wrestlers, shooters, etc., you will find that a good number were officers in the Army.  A few would be in the Navy, Marines, or Coast Guard.  I'm not sure I ever saw one in the Air Force.  Their job was to train to run, box, wrestle, hit the rifle range, or any other of a number of sports at which they needed financial support to keep going.  I don't know that the athletes were  subsidized as much as they are now, but very few of them only participated because they were independently wealthy.  Most had "jobs" in private industry or the Army.  Some were coaches at highschools, colleges, and track clubs.  When you see how much the Amateurs were paid, it brings out the absurdity of the outright theft of Jim Thorpe's medals by a bigoted committee. He probably got paid less than the total "amateurs" of the team on which he competed.

All we did was to reject the absurdity that the players participating who were earning over a $1 million per year on advertising were amateurs, and simply say everyone could compete.  The definitions of amateur would have frosted any fruitcake that tried to make sense of them.

Now, whether the professional organizations would reject letting players play.  If you were the director of National Pro Fastpitch, the publicity of having Olympic players on your team would have been too demanding to resist.  Thus, the dispute is about power, not scheduling.  Who gets control of softball in the US?  I think they are both trying to kill the baby.
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<< Now, whether the professional organizations would reject letting players play.  If you were the director of National Pro Fastpitch, the publicity of having Olympic players on your team would have been too demanding to resist.  Thus, the dispute is about power, not scheduling.  Who gets control of softball in the US?  I think they are both trying to kill the baby. >> (LandLottery)

My hope is that the NPF teams will let the few pro players (this would only be about 10 or 12 players or so) who are deserving to be on the Olympic USA team... simply leave to play for team USA whenever they have tournaments. Yes, the NPF teams will miss these star players while they are off playing for team USA - but the publicity of them playing for team USA, especially in the Olympics, will be well worth it for the game of softball at all levels (including for the NPF).

The NPF stars that do make it on to team USA should be able to play in the NPF games that do not conflict with the team USA tournaments. Playing in the NPF between team USA tournaments would probably be better for them than any team USA practices anyway. 

The number of NPF players that would be gone from the league during team USA tournaments is a very small percentage of the NPF players. The league should be able to continue running along fine without those few stars (during the team USA tournaments)... once every four years. 

If these two softball bodies cannot work together for the good of the game... then shame on them.
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<< Now, whether the professional organizations would reject letting players play.  If you were the director of National Pro Fastpitch, the publicity of having Olympic players on your team would have been too demanding to resist.  Thus, the dispute is about power, not scheduling.  Who gets control of softball in the US?  I think they are both trying to kill the baby. >> (LandLottery)

My hope is that the NPF teams will let the few pro players (this would only be about 10 or 12 players or so) who are deserving to be on the Olympic USA team... simply leave to play for team USA whenever they have tournaments. Yes, the NPF teams will miss these star players while they are off playing for team USA - but the publicity of them playing for team USA, especially in the Olympics, will be well worth it for the game of softball at all levels (including for the NPF).

The NPF stars that do make it on to team USA should be able to play in the NPF games that do not conflict with the team USA tournaments. Playing in the NPF between team USA tournaments would probably be better for them than any team USA practices anyway. 

The number of NPF players that would be gone from the league during team USA tournaments is a very small percentage of the NPF players. The league should be able to continue running along fine without those few stars (during the team USA tournaments)... once every four years. 

If these two softball bodies cannot work together for the good of the game... then shame on them.


Some (or one) NPF team(s) would likely be impacted more than others.
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I would think it would be more about the money they receive from playing in the NPF. Why should the NPF pay them for the games they miss to go play for USA?
LandLottery

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The NPF  doesn't even play during the college season, and it only plays about 45 games.  Easy to schedule around.
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I would think it would be more about the money they receive from playing in the NPF. Why should the NPF pay them for the games they miss to go play for USA?


Gold medals could add to the NPF's bottom line: attendance, media contracts.
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I wouldn't want to leave my paid NPF game to go play the Sacramento allstars for free.
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The NPF  doesn't even play during the college season, and it only plays about 45 games.  Easy to schedule around.


I don't believe that, or similar statements from others, is accurate.  Are you forgetting the debacle created when the championship rained out and couldn't be finished because players had commitments in Japan (that paid one whole hell of a lot more than NPF)?

They are limited when they can start; quite a few players are college coaches.  They are limited when they must end; the best are committed in Japan.  Not saying it couldn't be done, but if you think it is easily done, and that the NPF would bend over to make it happen, while giving them reasonable rest from travel, I think you are mistaken.
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I don't believe that, or similar statements from others, is accurate.  Are you forgetting the debacle created when the championship rained out and couldn't be finished because players had commitments in Japan (that paid one whole hell of a lot more than NPF)?

They are limited when they can start; quite a few players are college coaches.  They are limited when they must end; the best are committed in Japan.  Not saying it couldn't be done, but if you think it is easily done, and that the NPF would bend over to make it happen, while giving them reasonable rest from travel, I think you are mistaken.



Steve has it right.

It is going to be interesting to see how it all shakes out.

Is USA Softball going to stick with the players that have decided not to play in NPF and been loyal to them or are they going to reach out to the best players regardless of whether they are in NPF or not to tryout/join the team.

The article makes it seem like they are going to reach out. But how is it all going to be handled?

I think the NPF will have zero leverage in the situation. It will be interesting to see if there are any clauses in Monica Abbott's big contract that would prevent her from joining USA Softball. Will NPF end up blackballing the players that leave to chase their dream of a gold medal?

Realistically the best team USA could bring to the Olympics would be mostly NPF players with a select handful of those currently on the team.
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Ok, so I was worried and thought Chiddy might get cut for NPF-ers.  At this point, I hope she doesn't.  She has more than proved herself through this summer.
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are we talking about when the team is picked down the road for the Olympics? I see Team USA rostered players that are playing in the NPF.
Kurosawa

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Well, one option is for USA Softball to pay the NPF for its players to participate in the Olympics.
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Well, one option is for USA Softball to pay the NPF for its players to participate in the Olympics.


I don't see that happening, what leverage does the NPF have? Every player not named Monica Abbott is getting paid next to nothing.
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I think a lot of the girls are making more money than most think they are. The Pride girls get paid from the NPF and from USSSA. In addition to that many of them get money from the equipment they choose. Rawlings, Easton etc.
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I think a lot of the girls are making more money than most think they are. The Pride girls get paid from the NPF and from USSSA. In addition to that many of them get money from the equipment they choose. Rawlings, Easton etc.


The equipment sponsorships are separate from NPF and are personal endorsements. I don't think any of the players could afford to not work the rest of the year. Most of them are playing because they love the game.
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