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I would agree that Jerusalem is the Israeli capital. That being said, there are also legitimate claims from Muslims and Christians to parts of the city. I see the action of moving our embassy to Jerusalem as inflammatory to the reconciliation process and giving up a negotiational piece when acting as a neutral negotiator in the peace process. It appears to me that the 2 state option is the only one that makes sense for the long run and some guarantees should be made that if this solution was enacted, there would be no desecration of religious artifacts or symbols by the ruling factions. 
The actual act is proper, the timing is in question. Whether this impedes or hastens the process to a final conclusion will be seen over the ensuing months. All hell is currently breaking out. 
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There is no and never will be any "reconciliation process". These people have been at war for thousands of years and yet the arrogance of these politicians makes every President come along with a plan to stop the fighting in the ME.
Ain't gonna happen

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There is no and never will be any "reconciliation process". These people have been at war for thousands of years and yet the arrogance of these politicians makes every President come along with a plan to stop the fighting in the ME. Ain't gonna happen


Hope you are wrong. Are you suggesting trump has given up on any hope for a peaceful accord?
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I have no idea what Trump is planning. My statement was a generalization about the "peace process" and how it has been an exercise in futility
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Of course Trump has not given up.  He is trying like all the past presidents tried.

60 years, 60 promises.  We don't, and won't give up on the push for peace because the alternative is all out war between the Arab countries and Isreal. 

67-73 Yom Kippur war almost became exactly this.  There was little reason for Isreal not to go in an annihilate and occupy Egypt after the they defeated Egypts attacking army on the field of battle.  A rare moment of cooperation between the US and Russia was the only thing that stalled things.

Not completely clear who would win, but right now Israel seems to have the upper hand.  But you would be talking millions and millions of refugees.

So we hold out working different duct tape and wiring peace processes glued together.   Cause that is what we have.  But you have to be realistic.  They have been at war in this region for 1000s of years, and don't seem interested in ever actually stopping.




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The Zionist Jews don't want peace............If they did, there wouldn't be an Israel.........

Before Israel was formed, the Jews and Arabs were living together in the region in peace............
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Interesting read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_conflict

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Ole Blueballs finally made the jump to "the Jews". Wondered how long that would take.

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hehe was thinking the same thing. Triggered.
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Them there Jews killed Jesus.
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Woody, that's not true..........
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So you are saying that he Priests who brought Jesus before Pontius Pilot and charged him with Blasphemy and demanded his death weren't Jewish? You are saying that the crowds that demanded his death weren't Jewish?
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What difference does it make? What if they were republicans? It was 2000 years ago. Geesh.
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Fresh, you don't understand the different personalities on this board, and some of the "points of view" they have.
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So you are saying that he Priests who brought Jesus before Pontius Pilot and charged him with Blasphemy and demanded his death weren't Jewish? You are saying that the crowds that demanded his death weren't Jewish?


Jewish priests couldn't make any demands to the Roman Government............

Jesus came to earth to be crucified............ 
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Well yes, that was prophesy.
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Thanks woody - I was beginning to think Blue was the only one who had figured that out.
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Jewish priests couldn't make any demands to the Roman Government............

Jesus came to earth to be crucified............ 


Now I can truly say I have seen it all.
Someone who believes in the bible verbatim but obviously hasn't read it regarding the crucifixion ?
As Arte Johnson put so eloquently.......Very interesting.
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During my service time that region was the only place where I felt danger every single second. I feel for those stationed in embassies around the world and especially those going to Jerusalem.

In 1995 this bill went thru. Clinton didn't sign it because it would hamper peace. Every republican and democrat president thereafter did not sign it until now.
Having America recognize Jerusalem as capital of Israel while the EU, Canada, Britain, china, Russia, india and the rest of the world do not is like mexico saying capital of USA is San Antonio. They can move their embassy there, call it what they want, make Texans and Mexicans happy but in reality nothing changes.

America is not king of the world. This was not done to help bring peace to the region..this was done by the president because it poses no risk to him, energizes his base, and is a middle finger from him to muslims.
This is not him getting the USFL to go head to head with NFL and getting crushed. This is not the apprentice reality show where he can tell Palestine they are fired. This is not one of his pageants that are now run by Melania. This isn't the art of the deal....no deal was made. 
Is president so self important that everything he says is right? Even many republicans disagreed. This is not "sticking it to liberal"...this is the world not a race in Alabama or florida.

Anyone thinking it is great "just because" feel free to move to that region or have your kids serve in that area. 
I am not going to harp on how bad a decision it is because it does nothing but separate us further from rest of the world and stirred the nest there for more violence....just asking why non-Jewish people think it is "great". Calling it great means it will do great for everyone involved not just a personal preference. That is like saying slavery was great....it was for white plantation owners but not those that were slaves or the poor whites that were indentured servants.

Many young women and men are about to get shipped to that region and some will die. Yes people die there all the time but what purpose now? So we can say that the usa and Israel say the capital is Jerusalem while rest of world does not and Palestine and every other makes life hell there. What is gained? We look good to Israel and have their back. But diplomacy is not doing what you want.....there is a reason we have diplomats and don't just have businessmen or world leaders do it. Keeping fingers crossed for best ....which is the world looks at it as a cosmetic change that changes nothing and Palestine and the rest shrug and move on like they did before announcement



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But the Czech Republic agrees with him. How could you possibly question this? The rest of the world, however, sees his folly. The man is truly interested only in how things affect himself. Drain the swamp so a new King of the murky ooze can climb out and be ordained. 
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Hey why stop there. Time to get started building new facilities on the Temple Mount.
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Former Obama Ambassador to Israel Mocks ‘Heavy Breathing’ About Jerusalem Decision: ‘I Don’t Think It’s That Big of a Deal’


"I assume you don't think this was a smart move. Why not? This is a promise that every presidential candidate makes," Tapper said. "What's the big deal?"

"In fact, I don't think it's that big of a deal," Shapiro said.

"Oh, you don't," Tapper said in apparent surprise.

"There's a lot of heavy breathing about it, but it's neither the end of all efforts to achieve all Middle East peace, nor is it the second coming of Harry Truman recognizing Israel when it was established in 1948," he said. "Essentially, the president did recognize a reality."

Shapiro said as ambassador, he got in his car every day and drove from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem to conduct state business there, and he said it was appropriate to have the U.S. embassy there. Shapiro was critical of elements of Trump's handling and timing of the decision.


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Seems to be the consensus. Timing is the problem.
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Never too late to do the right thing. 
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Libtards would rather Trump pass it to next POTUS and then hang it over Trumps head and say he failed to deliver on a campaign promise. Can't satisfy libtards is the moral of the story so just do your job Donnie Trump and ignore them naysayers.
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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Libtards would rather Trump pass it to next POTUS and then hang it over Trumps head and say he failed to deliver on a campaign promise. Can't satisfy libtards is the moral of the story so just do your job Donnie Trump and ignore them naysayers.

Nah, don't ignore them.  Sh*t post them in a Twitter tweet and watch them lose there flippin minds.

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That works too.

Are you happy that Fresh changed his plans for this evening and will be spending it with us?  =======>>  Double DRINK.  No more beer for a few months, high octane stuff

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Is this like " Hi Bob " from Newhart glory drinking days past ? Does Fresh have to post a certain word ?
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Is this like " Hi Bob " from Newhart glory drinking days past ? Does Fresh have to post a certain word ?


No certain word but the saltier the post the better.  We haven't had a full quorum for a while so hopefully uwa can find the full set of rules.  There is a thread we can provide, stay tuned, the rules are there and need updated for freshy

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Is this like " Hi Bob " from Newhart glory drinking days past ? Does Fresh have to post a certain word ?

No specific words.  Just the saltier the better.  Use your own judgement. 

Basically, if we all get tatered, then we were going to fast with awarding the salt, and we will have to recover in the morning and tone it down a bit next time.

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