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AustinSoftball

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Hanson's recruiting of Rumley, MacEachern, McCalmon and some solid position players is the drive behind those NCAA appearances.  Those players were true D1 talent who could, if on their game, compete with most teams (Auburn, for example).  Anyone would be hard pressed to repeat that recruiting every year.  Hanson was an excellent recruiter beating out Ivys and solid programs for those players.  The current staff is very good, but at Ivy League Schools, most money is need based so you can quit the team and continue to get the scholarship.  Coach D had some excellent D1 talent decide not to play.  Why?  Dartmouth is difficult academically and to be at the top of your game, you have to treat softball as another job.  That school offers so much academically that will replace the sport with some incredible learning opportunities.  Dartmouth has always started slow because of the practice in a very poor indoor facility.  They are building a new one for softball and baseball.  If the pitching holds up, they will finish higher than people predict.  Now, Harvard this year looks as if they are loaded with solid players.  
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So far they're 0-1 against other Smart Schools. Duke

They they looked pretty solid in win over UNC the other day.
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Ironically, Harvard and Yale's loss to Duke is huge in the recruiting department as that Duke team in its first season can handle other schools it competes with for top grade SAT ACT students.
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Ironically, Harvard and Yale's loss to Duke is huge in the recruiting department as that Duke team in its first season can handle other schools it competes with for top grade SAT ACT students.


True!

Also Harvard’s win over cross town rival UNC this past weekend, after losing to Duke 5-0, will make for a fun UNC-Duke matchup!

Gotta love this game.
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Columbia had a nice weekend

Dartmouth?  we will see

Yale still looking for first win

Brown, split on the weekend

Princeton swept, missing something this year

Penn, swept, not impressed

Cornell, got a couple of wins

Harvard, looks solid,, class of the league ??

 
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It looked like a fairly good weekend League wise. Looking at the results it looked like Harvard played very well. Columbia continues to play well. Dartmouth probably lost a game they should have won against Northern Colorado but played Arkansas tough. The first game they did loose big I think I saw 12-3 or something like that but I noticed that they matched 8-8 in hits. The second game it came down to a bottom of the 7th 1 run win. Arkansas pitched their #1.
Conference play will be here sooner than we thing.
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Teams are a little nervous about weather, what with moving conference play up a week, particularly in view of today's snow in New England.  I think we're likely to see weather a bigger scheduling disruptor this year than in the recent past.
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The old schedule matchup gave teams flexibility the first two weekends to go play two games at the better weather site and return on Monday to the site with weather issues.  At least for Dartmouth and Harvard, the last weekend was a 2 and 2 home away weekend that also gave flexibility in case of weather.  I bet the new schedule is impacted and teams will have to make up games.  
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Does anyone have any comments on this weeks Ivy League early travel games?
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What’s up with Princeton? Are some players hurt? They seem to be out to a slower than normal start.
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Brown heads to Washington, DC.  If the pitching holds up, I see them at worst splitting those games.  

3 words for Princeton's slow start,,, pitching, pitching, pitching.  You need to keep the other team off of the board to have a shot.  I still think they can regroup and have a nice Ivy league season.

Going to be tough to beat Harvard this year,,, you will need an offense to score against some tough pitching. 

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So what flavor of koolaid do you want BigTen Softball. I see that Dartmouth beat Eastern Kentucky and University of Houston today.
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Dartmouth was 11-28-1 last year and 4-8 so far this year........
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This new schedule affects Dartmouth, a quarter system school, because they just had finals a week ago and could not take the long trip they usually took to California or Florida, or both.  I saw the Houston game.  Their pitching is better than last year.  They have a few dangerous hitters.  They will need some help from the bottom of the order, but they may peak when they begin Ivy play.  Practicing inside in a sub par indoor facility creates a lot of problems when you get outdoors.  Ivy pitching is a notch below what they have seen, so I think they will be top 3 this year.
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This new schedule affects Dartmouth, a quarter system school, because they just had finals a week ago and could not take the long trip they usually took to California or Florida, or both.  I saw the Houston game.  Their pitching is better than last year.  They have a few dangerous hitters.  They will need some help from the bottom of the order, but they may peak when they begin Ivy play.  Practicing inside in a sub par indoor facility creates a lot of problems when you get outdoors.  Ivy pitching is a notch below what they have seen, so I think they will be top 3 this year.



What are the other schools’ indoor facilities? I know Harvard has the football field (under a pressurized covering), what do others have?
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Harvard/ Yale: Harvard takes 2/3

Penn/ Columbia, Columbia takes 2/3

Anyone see those games?

Good for rest of League that no one is off to a 3-0 start
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Dartmouth beat University of Houston again today.
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Dartmouth's indoor facility is a turf covered oval track around the edge but the ceiling is a elongated hanger arch style with the tallest height in the middle and both sides much lower with the roof much lower on the left and right sides.  The halogen round lights illuminate the field, but a webbing covers most of the parts of the ceiling so that balls hit never go very high.  I was there once when a hitter put a ball into the sprinkler system and caused the sprinker head to be knocked off by a ball and it required evacuation of the entire place. The lighting is very bad with no natural light.  It takes a weekend to get the outfielders ready for fly balls and infielders ready for ground balls.  They were planning to build a new complex for baseball and softball in the near future.  
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I had not heard the sprinkler story. Funny. Who hit the ball?

I agree with Austin and would add, Dartmouth is most assuredly NOT a one pitcher team anymore. If you dig into the weekend stats you may be as surprised as I was. Coach has done a bang up recruiting job. On the hitting, yeah, it takes hitters longer to knock the rust off than it does pitchers. That goes double for northern schools and triple for Ivy schools. EK shut them down one game which I didn't get to watch but I did watch them hit a pitcher throwing 64 with spin so I'm feeling pretty good about them hitting Ivy pitching.

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What’s your point BigTen?
There is big disparity between a Power 5 conference and The Ivy League. The Ivy League has stricter guidelines than probably any other conference in the country. They are limited when they can practice. The hours of practice. When they can start playing games in the early spring. When the rest of the country has 12 to 20 games under their belt all the Ivy teams are just seeing dirt for the first time wonder what it really is. The Ivy League puts education first and sports second. Some big time program have the coaches pick your major so that it doesn’t get in the way of softball. You point out Darthmouth’s Record. Granted no one wants a loosing record but sports are a numbers game. So let’s look at the numbers. Since the NCAA D1 softball’s RPI rankings don’t come out until late spring let’s look at the Hero Sports power rankings that seem to be fairly analytical. Five Big Ten schools have a lower ranking than Dartmouth. Dartmouth had losses to Texas State (31). Two losses to Florida Atlantic (75). Two losses to Arkansas (21).
The other Ivy League schools played some highly ranked teams but I’m only pointing out Dartmouth since you want to pick on them. I pulled up Iowa since they are one of the teams close in the rankings to Dartmouth. Iowa has currently #82. Dartmouth is at #106. The rankings based on schedule. Half of the Big Ten teams are in the higher rankings no question. Iowa has a impressive win over Baylor but have beefed up the W column with Butler and Georgetown? Harvard beats UNC. Dartmouth beats University of Houston twice. The Ivy League may never win another National Championship but while the Power 5 and other Big time softball programs relive the “good old college softball days” watching Johnny try to color in the lines the Ivy League players will do the same thing running Wall Street, in their law practices,and curing cancer.
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Yeah I didn't take it as a criticism but just as information but maybe you are right. In any case, in the Ivy, with zero athletic money, it's all about winning the Ivy. If you win a game at regionals that's icing on the cake. If an Ivy ever wins a regional the earth will wobble on it's axis.
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It's a fantastic, unique setup.
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My point is, they've gotten worse the past 2 years after a number of Hanson's players graduated. Yet people act like they are this powerhouse team based upon what they did 5 years ago. I just don't see it. Nothing personal against the school or Ivy League.
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This new schedule affects Dartmouth, a quarter system school, because they just had finals a week ago and could not take the long trip they usually took to California or Florida, or both.  I saw the Houston game.  Their pitching is better than last year.  They have a few dangerous hitters.  They will need some help from the bottom of the order, but they may peak when they begin Ivy play.  Practicing inside in a sub par indoor facility creates a lot of problems when you get outdoors.  Ivy pitching is a notch below what they have seen, so I think they will be top 3 this year.


Dartmouth is on its “long” trip now. Its pre-conference schedule has at least as many games in warm weather locations as any of the other Ivies. And some of the others were only as warm as Maryland or Virginia offer in March.

As for pitching, what’s up with Ebow? Seems like they’re giving up on her, unless she’s hurt. It was painful to see how last year’s staff wrecked her mechanics and self confidence.
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Harvard/ Yale: Harvard takes 2/3

Penn/ Columbia, Columbia takes 2/3

Anyone see those games?

Good for rest of League that no one is off to a 3-0 start


I never imagined softball in the cold that Yale and Harvard experienced. Game 1 temp on Sat was 39. Game temp on Sunday was 32. Without the new turf, those games would not have been played because of the week’s snow and likely resultant poor field conditions.
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My point is, they've gotten worse the past 2 years after a number of Hanson's players graduated. Yet people act like they are this powerhouse team based upon what they did 5 years ago. I just don't see it. Nothing personal against the school or Ivy League.


Winning a championship, or not, often turns on the smallest random details which usually concern pitchers doing something unexpected. I could go on at length. In any case, I like what I saw of the Big Green this weekend. I haven't seen Harvard but I like what I see. I'm sure if Hanson had stayed there she would not have won the conference EVERY year. 😉

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I am huge supporter of Ivy Women's Athletics and Duke.  I know too many elite players who chose power conferences to later (1) graduate with degrees that would not let them teach PE at a high school, (2) be told you cannot take lab classes or certain majors, (3) be told that their scholarships are taken away after the first year, (4) suffer low grades because coaches press them to work in groups after hours in violation of the rules, or (5) worse yet drop out and go to a community college.  If you have the grades and test scores, elite players ought to consider this route.

 I am a little disappointed that only one Ivy team has an RPI in the top 200 and that is Dartmouth at 103.  Harvard is at 210 and Columbia 228 and lower for the others.  That is a major disparity and disappointing.  First, let these players go against good softball teams and you will be surprised what can happen.  Second, it leads to the low ranking of the Ivy team in the NCAA tourney where you have to face one of the top teams.  Maybe the expanded schedule in terms of 7 weeks leads to a compressed preseason schedule.  But if you don't play those elite teams, the elite players will not want to come and play Ivy.  Playing Auburn, Stanford, Texas, Penn. State, ASU, FSU and the solid California teams were some of the most exciting times for my dd and her teammates.  I hope the Ivy teams shoot for RPIs in the mid 100s and lower in future years.  

When it comes down to the final 2-3 teams, the winning of a championship requires everything falling into place.  Those of us looking from the outside do not know about injuries, umpire calls, errors by a player, or external events that affect a teams ability to play when under pressure.  Personally, I think the calling strikes and balls when compared to what the pitchers throw has a major effect on this game.  i have seen Harvard pitches called balls all game long when in the following year they were called strikes all day long.  Is that fair -- I say the team must adjust, but it is the reality of the win vs the loss.  Momentum is a blessing or a curse in this game.  One dropped ball, one misplayed throw, or failed bunt can make the difference between winning and losing.  My dd team was 2-2 and we could have just as easily been 4-0 or 0-4 in winning the Ivy titles.  In the last season, second to the last game our number one player collides with a starting outfielder who has to be taken the a hospital unconscious and the number one player ends up being able to bat but not run or play in the field.  We win that game on a home run by the batting player and lose the following one as the team energy wanes and the team falls one game short of playing Princeton.  The records show wins and losses but only those at the game saw that collision.
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Yep. Championships rise and fall on the smallest random chance events. One pitcher gets hurt, another chooses to focus on academics to the exclusion of softball, another has a career ending injury just before she gets out of hs, two position players have the above mentioned collision and a championship team becomes an also ran. On the other hand, someone who knows someone happens to see a pitcher who is about to commit elsewhere but wants to go Ivy and a good program becomes a repeat champion program.

A new coach at an elite academic institution generally needs four years to mold the program in their image and even then, one of the above random events can undo everything. This may change by a year or two if recruiting/committing goes back to somewhere around their junior year.

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Well so far, the Ivy is looking like a free for all.
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Really fun year so far.

No one running away with it.

Harvard not playing as well as initially thought?

Princeton has come back to the pack

Cornell surprisingly has been competitive early on

Dartmouth/ Penn treading water

Columbia, can they keep their main pitcher fresh and avoid last years late season free fall

Brown, need to keep everyone healthy

Yale, up and down

I would not be surprised that the league winner will have 5+ league losses

Just need the weather to ease up to allow these amazing student athletes the chance to perform
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