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Thoughts on the upcoming season ?
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I think that things are tighting up in the Ivy League. All the teams have gotten better. Brown continues to improve as well as Princeton. Harvard and Dartmouth are also strong. Other teams that use to be sweeps are going to steal games in those series and even records out. It will be exciting to see how the Ivy League competes in the early season non-conference games. Some of the teams have some aggressive schedules.
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Agree with your assessment.

Last year I thought Dartmouth and Harvard were the class of the league, but Princeton had a nice weekend and upset Harvard in the playoffs to take home the NCAA berth.  

I still would favor Dartmouth and Harvard in the North, but I do think Brown will be in the mix up until the last weekend. 

In the South, I would expect Penn to rebound and battle Princeton for that division.

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I just heard about a Dartmouth verbal to a HS Freshman in another female sport.  Is this being seen in Softball as well?  I see Brown with a verbal on Goldfastpitch with a 2019 player.  

I guess that the IVY's are now having to keep up with the softball crazy practice of verbals to younger and younger players.  The Ivy and Patriot leagues were the last holdouts that I had experience with.  I guess we will just continue to see this trend continue until something is legislated by the NCAA.

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I just heard about a Dartmouth verbal to a HS Freshman in another female sport.  Is this being seen in Softball as well?  I see Brown with a verbal on Goldfastpitch with a 2019 player.  

I guess that the IVY's are now having to keep up with the softball crazy practice of verbals to younger and younger players.  The Ivy and Patriot leagues were the last holdouts that I had experience with.  I guess we will just continue to see this trend continue until something is legislated by the NCAA.


Where is the Brown 2019 recruit listed? I don't see it on the Goldfastpitch site
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Goldfastpitch may have been the 'go to' site in the past but over the last couple years not so much. Their info is not current nor does it look like anybody is even attempting to keep it current. Their current list of Verbals is old, not accurate & should have tumbleweeds scrolling across the front page. The forum is visited by 1 guy named Batman who, to his credit, tries pretty hard to generate talk/debate. I think FloSoftball has pretty much taken over & Goldfastpitch is just happy to wave the white flag. 

In short, the only think current you might find on the site is the current date & time.
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I just heard about a Dartmouth verbal to a HS Freshman in another female sport.  Is this being seen in Softball as well?  I see Brown with a verbal on Goldfastpitch with a 2019 player.  

I guess that the IVY's are now having to keep up with the softball crazy practice of verbals to younger and younger players.  The Ivy and Patriot leagues were the last holdouts that I had experience with.  I guess we will just continue to see this trend continue until something is legislated by the NCAA.


Just this past September, the Ivy League proposed NCAA changes be made to the early recruiting process. 

You can read about it here: https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2016/09/21/ivy-league-announces-proposals-curbing-early-recruitment-athletes

Although I have not heard of any outcome from this yet.
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Agree with your assessment.

Last year I thought Dartmouth and Harvard were the class of the league, but Princeton had a nice weekend and upset Harvard in the playoffs to take home the NCAA berth.  

I still would favor Dartmouth and Harvard in the North, but I do think Brown will be in the mix up until the last weekend. 

In the South, I would expect Penn to rebound and battle Princeton for that division.

Penn is young but has a few seasoned upperclassmen that will have to come through for them to challenge Princeton. Joyner, Sargent, and Allen will have to come up big.
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Just saw this on a blog:

http://just-in-justinsworld.blogspot.com/2017/01/ivy-league-conference-forecast.html

Not sure about the predictions, but nice to see some coverage on the league.


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I agree with you about the predictions, and you are right...it's good to see some coverage on the league.
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Just saw this on a blog:

http://just-in-justinsworld.blogspot.com/2017/01/ivy-league-conference-forecast.html

Not sure about the predictions, but nice to see some coverage on the league.




Thanks from a proud dad
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http://fastpitchnews.com/fastpitch-softball-article/ivy-league-softball/11183
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I agree that the Ivy league does have quite a bit of parity this year. This is especially due to the loss of key seniors at Dartmouth, Harvard and Princeton. Here is my quick analysis (for what it’s worth J) for each of the teams (in alphabetic order). I hope you enjoy!

Brown - Returning two talented pitchers, Orona (Jr)  has been the ace in her first two years keeping hitters off balanced and Chieffallo (Sr) had a good come back last year from the year before when I believe she was injured. Offensively, it appears that they lost their best in Park as she is not showing up on the Roster. This will leave much to the returning seniors Schoenewald & Andrews to carry the load. As for incoming Freshman, they appear to have a few that make an impact players. Overall, Brown continues to improve each year, but if true, the loss of Park will have a great impact to them being a contender this year.

Columbia – Pitching is a great concern with only Wu returning with any great experience. One of the two incoming Freshman Pitchers will need to step up and fill in as a reliable second. Offensively, they return Troutt (Jr) who hit 10 HR’s last year and Cook (Sr). Several others will need to step up. From a Freshman standpoint, they have added 7 to fill in the roster that has been somewhat small the last few years.

Cornell – Another team with big Pitching concerns as they only return Orcutt (Jr) who has struggled at times. They recruited 3 incoming freshman Pitchers with the hope that they can make an immediate impact. One of them will need to step up big time to help Cornell be competitive. Cornell lost many on the offensive side but the best news for the Big Red is the return of McGivney (Sr) who sat out last year. They will again need to score many runs to win games as their pitching will be their Achilles heal.

Dartmouth – The loss of McCalmon will be felt on both sides of the ball for the Big Green machine. Ethridge (Sr) will be required to pick up the 134 innings that McCalmon pitched last year which will be a big increase from the 84 innings she threw last year. The 12 HR’s hit by McCalmon cannot be replaced, but Dartmouth returns some talents players in seniors Chaw and Damore as well as Lara (Jr) and Martinelli (So). Big Green’s Freshman class has a total of 8 players with the hope to restock the team that was expected to win it all last year but came up short. So the question comes down can the pitching step up to give Dartmouth the ability to win back the North, although consensus suggests that will be a tall order.

Harvard – The Crimson had a big loss with Groom as well, but return Cabe (Sr) to the circle along with Smith (So). These two will give Harvard two strong pitchers, a tough tandem to going against in a 2 or 4 game series. On the offensive side of the ball, Harvard returns a number of impact players. Panariello (Sr), Kaplan (Jr), Rich (So) and Lantz (So). The Crimson’s freshman class looks to be one of the stronger ones as well, with a number of impact players expected to emerge. It appears that Harvard will be the team to beat in the north as well as the cream of the crop in the Ivy Leagues.

Penn – Returning one of the top pitchers in the Ivy’s this year in Sargent (Sr) will make Penn a tough first game. The question will be can Penn run up a second pitcher in Spichiger (Jr) or the incoming freshman to make them a tough series. Offensively, Penn returns a number of weapons in Allen (Sr), Pederson (So) and Cwiertnia (So). Not sure the incoming Freshman will make a huge impact this year, so Penn will hope that they can get everything out of their returning players. They will complete for the South division but don’t appear to have enough to complete against the North.

Princeton – Losing Christian on the mound will be big loss for the Tigers as they look to Klausner (Sr) and LaGuardia (Jr) to step up and fill her shoes. They will be the key to whether or not they can repeat as South champs. They also lost two impact players in Jerpak and Bose, but return Grant (So) their best offensive weapon along with Reynolds (Sr) and Dockx (Jr). The incoming Freshman class appears to be a normal ivy league class with a number of players that could emerge as impact, but probably not immediately. The South will be a two horse race between Penn and Princeton, but I will give the edge to Penn to take it all.

Yale – Returns two pitchers that have each had dominating years along with disappointing ones in the past. For them, everything will rely on whether or not Efflandt (Sr) and Casalino (Jr) can reproduce their best years. If they can, then Yale will be a team to watch as they will surprise many. On the offensive side of the ball, Yale has been challenged over the past few years. They lost their leadoff in Labbadia but return seniors Weisenbach and Do along with Skinner (Jr). They will need to find additional offense if they want to complete with the rest in the North. The incoming Freshman class has some potential to make an impact and we will see who steps up to do exactly that. 

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Very nice analysis! One little correction: The 12 home runs for Dartmouth were hit by Katie McEachern who they will really miss. I enjoyed reading this.
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Yeah on Katie. Martinelli isn't Katie Mc. The Ivy may never see another Katie Mc, but I won't be surprised if Martinelli raises her game this year from last.
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Thanks for the correction on McEachern. Got my Mc's mixed up there but you knew what I meant. [smile]

Agreed, losing her bat and glove is probably impossible to replace.  But that's the great thing about all college sports, each year provides others with an opportunity to shine as they move up the class latter and become more confident in what they can achieve.  
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We all know pitching wins. Brown has the deepest staff,, if they can score enough runs, look for them to challenge in the North
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The Ivy is no longer won by "the usual suspects". There is increasing parity. Seven years ago it was a different story. Now everyone is busting it on the recruiting trail. Good stuff.
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So true, it is definitely obvious that all the Ivy's are recruiting real hard. The coaches have stepped up their game with this regard hence why more parity. I believe this is partially true because now all the Ivy league school administrations are embracing athletics as a priority and not just a necessary evil. The change is clearly evident with the investments in new facilities and fields that all the Ivy's have or plan on building.   
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So true, it is definitely obvious that all the Ivy's are recruiting real hard. The coaches have stepped up their game with this regard hence why more parity. I believe this is partially true because now all the Ivy league school administrations are embracing athletics as a priority and not just a necessary evil. The change is clearly evident with the investments in new facilities and fields that all the Ivy's have or plan on building.   


I wouldn't use the word "priority", especially as they restrict activity and contest well beyond NCAA requirements.  I think it's more appropriate to say they now see it as a valuable piece of the students' overall experience. Also, expanded facilities are the result of a variety of factors, mostly having nothing to do with the level of play.
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Fair enough. It is a known fact that many employers like to hire kids that played athletics in college b/c of the valuable life lessons they learn that are easily ported to the working world. This is highlighted even more so in the high academic schools such as the Ivy's b/c of the strenuous workload these kids are placed under while balancing out their athletic requirements.
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2/1,,, first "official" practice day for the Ivy's ,,,, several weeks behind everyone else, good luck to all the student athletes as they prepare for the upcoming season !!!! 
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Has anyone complied a list of the Ivy League's early season high profile games? It would be interesting to see who is playing whom before the conference battle starts.
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Weekend of March 9th, Brown plays LIU-Brooklyn, Florida Atlantic, and Fordham.  All made the postseason last year.

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I looked at the schedule for Harvard and they play Longwood and San Diego State.
Dartmouth plays the ragin Cajuns and UCLA.
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Penn plays USF at home, and Boston College and Syracuse all in Florida during early March. I don't consider these glamour games but the competition should be good.

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Here is a quick breakdown of each team's early season schedule. In parenthesis is that teams final ranking from last year. Obviously this is a new year, but this will give you an indication of the strength of schedule for each.

Brown
- 2/24 – Loyola (115)
- 2/26 – Army (112)
- 3/11 - LIU Brooklyn (132) & Fordham (62)
- 3/12 – Rutgers (116)

Columbia
- 2/24 – Army (112)
- 2/25 – Kent St (60)
- 3/14 – North Florida (145)
- 3/18 – Jacksonville (101)

Cornell
- 3/3 – LIU Brooklyn (132)
- 3/4 – Stetson (129)
- 3/18 – Delaware (69)

Dartmouth
- 2/24 – UL Lafayette (12)
- 3/3 – UAB (64)
- 3/17 - DePaul (75)
- 3/17 & 3/19 - Cal Poly (80)
- 3/19 – Loyola Marymount (115)
- 3/24 – BYU (50)
- 3/25 – UC Riverside (118)
- 3/26 – UCLA (13)

Harvard
- 3/10 & 3/12 – San Diego St (63)
- 3/10 – Cal State Fullerton (25)
- 3/11 – Long Beach St (37)
- 3/12 – Longwood (59)
- 3/16 & 3/17 – Perdue (86)

Penn
- 3/4 – Syracuse (88)
- 3/5 – Towson (66)
- 3/7 – Southern Illinois (106)
- 3/8 – USF (22)

Princeton
- 3/3 – Houston (89)
- 3/4 & 3/5 – Wisconsin (87)
- 3/12 – Towson (66)
- 3/23 – San Jose St (65)

Yale
- 2/24 – James Madison (7)
- 2/25 – Auburn (3)
- 3/12 – Villanova (114)
- 3/15 - Jacksonville (101)
- 3/15 - USF (22)
- 3/17 - Rutgers (116)
- 3/22 – Army (112)

Based on last years Rankings, I think it a close call for Dartmouth and Yale who has the toughest early season schedule. Dartmouth plays against 6 teams in the top 100, 2 in the top 25 but Yale is playing against 2 in the top 10 and a third in the top 25. Harvard is next with 5 teams in the top 100 followed by an almost dead heat between Penn (1 in the top 25) and Princeton (4 in the top 100). Bringing up the rear is Brown, Columbia and Cornell all with 1 in the top 100.  

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FPJ- nice work again!
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Wow FPJunkie I agree with LakeTrout. You really came up with awesome information. Thank you. I can see that Ivy League 2017 is not going to be a slouch this year. FP you certainly are setting the bar pretty high right off the bat. No pun intended.
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Well Dartmouth started 0-2 taking Drake to extras before losing 3-2 then taking the Cajuns to 7. Kept that one close till the 7th. Ebow and Etheridge impressed me even though UL finally got to Ebow. I like their chances in the Ivy this year.
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