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3leftturns

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Can I get an AMEN?
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You totally missed the point “dipstick”. And I do agree baseball is boring to watch!


I did? Not sure how....not a lot there to misinterpret.
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NO!!!! Dont move em.  MY kid likes to hit it about 217 feet 
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Each baseball and softball park has unique geometric attributes. And field rules. That's one of the things I love about the sports. But football, soccer, same everywhere.
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The women's game is about speed and reaction time. Want to fuss with the dimensions? Call me back when every batter is averaging 10 home runs a year, when every runner averages 25 stolen bases, when throws from deep center gunning down a runner from 3rd are routine, and when every pitcher averages a 75 mph rise ball.

You're looking at the top 10 teams as the norm. There are 295 Division I teams. Not all of them fit your illusions. Softball is a secondary sport at most universities. Go find the deep pocketed boosters that will finance a complete renovation on a field or brand new stadium to add 20 feet to the left and right field lines. All for the average attendance of less than a 1,000 on a good day.

"But they will have to figure out some way to make it happen - or move to a new site." That attitude is guaranteed to kill the sport.

The best solution? Leave the game alone. It has never been more popular and it is in thriving in grades 3-12 in schools across the country. The potential talent pool grows deeper each year and the quality of play has improved remarkably over the last 15 years.

Its popularity appeals to the thirst for self independence, self control and engenders personal desire for growth. The game's appeal to young players is more fulfilling than all the braying by whiny females demanding "equal rights" and "feminism." Softball prepares girls to become successful young women.

Leave it alone.


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The women's game is about speed and reaction time. Want to fuss with the dimensions? Call me back when every batter is averaging 10 home runs a year, when every runner averages 25 stolen bases, when throws from deep center gunning down a runner from 3rd are routine, and when every pitcher averages a 75 mph rise ball.

You're looking at the top 10 teams as the norm. There are 295 Division I teams. Not all of them fit your illusions. Softball is a secondary sport at most universities. Go find the deep pocketed boosters that will finance a complete renovation on a field or brand new stadium to add 20 feet to the left and right field lines. All for the average attendance of less than a 1,000 on a good day.

"But they will have to figure out some way to make it happen - or move to a new site." That attitude is guaranteed to kill the sport.

The best solution? Leave the game alone. It has never been more popular and it is in thriving in grades 3-12 in schools across the country. The potential talent pool grows deeper each year and the quality of play has improved remarkably over the last 15 years.

Its popularity appeals to the thirst for self independence, self control and engenders personal desire for growth. The game's appeal to young players is more fulfilling than all the braying by whiny females demanding "equal rights" and "feminism." Softball prepares girls to become successful young women.

Leave it alone.



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You’re no dipstick!
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Originally Posted by surfinusa

The women's game is about speed and reaction time. Want to fuss with the dimensions? Call me back when every batter is averaging 10 home runs a year, when every runner averages 25 stolen bases, when throws from deep center gunning down a runner from 3rd are routine, and when every pitcher averages a 75 mph rise ball.

You're looking at the top 10 teams as the norm. There are 295 Division I teams. Not all of them fit your illusions. Softball is a secondary sport at most universities. Go find the deep pocketed boosters that will finance a complete renovation on a field or brand new stadium to add 20 feet to the left and right field lines. All for the average attendance of less than a 1,000 on a good day.

"But they will have to figure out some way to make it happen - or move to a new site." That attitude is guaranteed to kill the sport.

The best solution? Leave the game alone. It has never been more popular and it is in thriving in grades 3-12 in schools across the country. The potential talent pool grows deeper each year and the quality of play has improved remarkably over the last 15 years.

Its popularity appeals to the thirst for self independence, self control and engenders personal desire for growth. The game's appeal to young players is more fulfilling than all the braying by whiny females demanding "equal rights" and "feminism." Softball prepares girls to become successful young women.

Leave it alone.




Especially the part about "braying" for equal rights and feminazism!!

I love it.
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I know it's been several years now, but didn't the softball gods want more scoring at one time?  Wasn't there concern that too many games were 1-0, 2-0 or 2-1, and so losing the casual fans?
3leftturns

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Yep... and the rubber was moved back 3 feet
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I like the way Coach G is trying to connect the current OSU player dots to Sandy Fischer's national powerhouse program w multiple wcws appearances to create some sort of tradition and continuity to build on.

The Cowgirls are back and only gonna get better.


Do u recall when the Cowgirls spanked Arizona in the WCWS?
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The women's game is about speed and reaction time. Want to fuss with the dimensions? Call me back when every batter is averaging 10 home runs a year, when every runner averages 25 stolen bases, when throws from deep center gunning down a runner from 3rd are routine, and when every pitcher averages a 75 mph rise ball.

You're looking at the top 10 teams as the norm. There are 295 Division I teams. Not all of them fit your illusions. Softball is a secondary sport at most universities. Go find the deep pocketed boosters that will finance a complete renovation on a field or brand new stadium to add 20 feet to the left and right field lines. All for the average attendance of less than a 1,000 on a good day.

"But they will have to figure out some way to make it happen - or move to a new site." That attitude is guaranteed to kill the sport.

The best solution? Leave the game alone. It has never been more popular and it is in thriving in grades 3-12 in schools across the country. The potential talent pool grows deeper each year and the quality of play has improved remarkably over the last 15 years.

Its popularity appeals to the thirst for self independence, self control and engenders personal desire for growth. The game's appeal to young players is more fulfilling than all the braying by whiny females demanding "equal rights" and "feminism." Softball prepares girls to become successful young women.

Leave it alone.



Sorry I'm a little behind on this discussion, but I just had to compliment you on what I believe is an absolutely great post.

By the way: Your user name implies you are a fan of America's Band.  Please tell me I'm right and make my day a second time.
3leftturns

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Fantastic post, surfin
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Well, I have seen 12U players hit it out so yeah, it might be a little short and of course triples are more fun than home runs. Not too worried either way. But IF, you want to move the fences back, the fields lacking room to do that can just compensate with very tall outfield fences. It's an easy work around IF you guys decide you want longer fences
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There's really no need to move the fences back.  What needs to be done is to ensure the bat performance standards mirror those of baseball.  By doing this there will be decrease in exit velocities resulting in fewer home runs, providing a "somewhat" safer environment for pitchers due to more reaction time and ensuring those that can truly hit will be recognized for their true abilities.  

True story:  14 years ago I watched UCLA use the same bat for every player in their lineup for an entire series.  Hitter in the on-deck circle would warm up and either leave their bat there and grab the one at the plate if the preceding hitter got on, or, just exchange bats with the hitter if the hitter struck out.  Now I'm not a rocket scientist to know that UCLA is a fully funded program and each kid had their own bat.  Why they all decided to use just one?  Well, if you saw the exit velocities coming off the teams' "only" bat, you might figure out why.  Pretty "decent" athletes at UCLA back then by the way!  Doubt they needed any assistance.........

For the record, I was one of the coaches in the other dugout.
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<< The best solution? Leave the game alone. It has never been more popular and it is in thriving in grades 3-12 in schools across the country. The potential talent pool grows deeper each year and the quality of play has improved remarkably over the last 15 years.

Its popularity appeals to the thirst for self independence, self control and engenders personal desire for growth. The game's appeal to young players is more fulfilling than all the braying by whiny females demanding "equal rights" and "feminism." Softball prepares girls to become successful young women. >> (surfinusa)

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I agree with all you had to say about the popularity of the game, quality of play, and how the game prepares girls to become successful young women...
BUT - I do not believe that any of that would change one bit if the fences were moved back. I believe the game would actually become even better if all the fields could be 220 down the lines and 245 to CF. I simply see too many batted balls flying WAY beyond the current outfield fence distances.

However, I also understand how moving the fences would be a very difficult task for many sites (and impossible for some). So I believe what CAAggieFan wrote in his post #22 is the best solution for the college fast pitch game of today. I will re-print his post below:

<< It is easier and cheaper to lessen the compression on the softball than to adjust fields.  I think the college ball has a higher compression than the high school ball.

The next way is to decrease the maximum compression or exit speed on the bats.  Move the exit speed from 98 to 95 mph. >> (CAAggieFan)

I think a combination of making both the bats and the balls LESS HOT... 
would make this great game - an even better game.

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<< Well, I have seen 12U players hit it out so yeah, it might be a little short and of course triples are more fun than home runs. Not too worried either way. But IF, you want to move the fences back, the fields lacking room to do that can just compensate with very tall outfield fences. It's an easy work around IF you guys decide you want longer fences >> (Mark H)

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Mark's point about 12U players helps bring the point home. The fences are too easy to conquer. 
It's a bit like having the basketball three point line for the NBA at the same distance as it is for high school... 
It is just not as difficult as it should be - for the talent level of the NCAA D1 hitters.
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There are several reasons for the increase in HR's recently...

1) better players...2) better coaches...These 2 things will not change only get better...

3) ball material and compression...3) bat material and technology....These are 2 things we can control that will have the desired effect on the way the ball fly....

So why not control what we can control without making major changes to the field dimensions. This is how the MLB controls there game (wood bats and how the balls are made). Since going to wood bats is not an option (just imagine) then controlling the balls is the obvious solution.

So since this is the easiest and most cost effective way to control the game then my suggestion would be to use a lower compression ball and maybe bring back the cork core balls (similar to older Mizuno balls)...This will reduce those long fly ball home runs to outs like they should be and only the balls that are squared up properly will leave the field for HR's...This will also give the infielder a chance to get to balls they don't normally get to.

A big thing that I have not seen in this post yet is the concern for safety of the infielders and mainly the pitchers. A human only has so much reaction time and I know for fact that the current balls that leave the current bats do infringe upon that reaction time for pitchers who are at approx. 38' at the time of release. This does leave pitchers defenseless in many cases...how many times have you seen pitchers get hit and how many close calls have we had...Safety should be the main reason we dummy the balls down and this would also better fit with the dimensions of the game.

I could go on and on about the reasons to dummy the balls down but if you want to experience it first hand go out and throw BP to some of the games top level batters any you will understand when I say the pitchers is a "sitting duck"...

Just my 2 cents worth...

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The games are entertaining. Let the fields stay like they are.
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At least 220-240 feet fences. Some places are below 200 in spots.
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Well-pitched games are still 1-0 (there were two in Puerto Vallarta alone that went 16 innings), 2-1, 3-1..... I agree with lovsoftball
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The softball field is fine "as is"...It gives the runner a fighting chance to get to 1st base and puts a lot of pressure on the defense...Which translates to excitement in the infield........You want a bigger field?, go watch baseball, which is god awful boring.......
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The sport of "Curling" is more exciting than baseball....
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I will say, you have to be pretty brave as a softball pitcher, with some of the power hitters out there.....

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I agree with the kid
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Sorry I'm a little behind on this discussion, but I just had to compliment you on what I believe is an absolutely great post.

By the way: Your user name implies you are a fan of America's Band.  Please tell me I'm right and make my day a second time.


thanks, I usually stir up a lot of negativity towards me that tempers what I will write.  But, this posting was from the gut.  

Yep, America's band had me California dreamin' in the 60's.  I ultimately lived in So Cal for 30 years and have been to every beach in the song.  I lived in America's Finest City, San Diego/La Jolla and was up and down I-5 from there to Zuma Beach in Malibu.   I didn't surf (bad knee) but soaked up the sun and enjoyed my favorite adult beverages with a beach babe of the moment. [smile]

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thanks, I usually stir up a lot of negativity towards me that tempers what I will write.  But, this posting was from the gut.  

Yep, America's band had me California dreamin' in the 60's.  I ultimately lived in So Cal for 30 years and have been to every beach in the song.  I lived in America's Finest City, San Diego/La Jolla and was up and down I-5 from there to Zuma Beach in Malibu.   I didn't surf (bad knee) but soaked up the sun and enjoyed my favorite adult beverages with a beach babe of the moment. [smile]


Yeah, well there's no surfing in Oklahoma, bad knees or no, so I never learned. But I became a huge fan of the Beach Boys when I was 13 years old and their early hits were playing on the radio (giving away my age).

The Boys brought the California lifestyle and culture to life for those of his who were landlocked. And the Oklahoma honeys had hair as soft and long as the California girls, so it wasn't hard to imagine we were lying on the beach at Malibu while we listened to the Beach Boys on the radio.

Anyway, it's a softball board, so I guess I'll carry on. Just wanted to say hello to a fellow fan of my favorite band.
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