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woody

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There are many Republicans on board in support of this immigration reform bill.  Is there one Republican inside our forum who supports this bill?


I doubt there is one Conservative that supports this Obamination, a product of Unions and Socialist agendas violating our National Sovereignty, and immigration laws. The SEIU is spending millions to enlist illegal aliens into the Dem voting ranks. No thanks Dewey.. Socialism will not work in our country. There are too many dead men that faught to secure the rights of AMERICANS, to allow your Socialist ilk to ruin our country. It will not happen, and don't cry and whine when the votes are not there in the Congress, the last hope of the PEOPLE, the LEGAL CITIZENS, of the USA. As I once heard on SNL, Suck it Trabek.


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I doubt there is one Conservative that supports this Obamination,



woody - There were 15 Senate Republicans voting for the immigration bill and probably several dozen in the House will too, assuming they get a chance.  Who are these people if not Republicans?  Anyways, I'm still curious if there are any UCS members who identify with these people and support this reform.  Peek your head up if you will.  Let these other members know you're out there.
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Illegal immigrants who commit crimes face lesser punishment than U.S. citizens

http://washingtonexaminer.com/illegal-immigrants-who-commit-crimes-face-lesser-punishment-than-u.s.-citizens/article/2532306

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"Gang of Eight’s bill would allow illegal immigrants who entered the country before Dec. 31, 2011, and committed up to three misdemeanor offenses including but not limited to assault, battery, identity or document fraud, tax evasion, to remain eligible for Registered Provisional Status. Meanwhile, U.S. citizens and persons who entered the country legally could incur up to $100,000 in fines,15 years of imprisonment, or be prohibited to reenter the country for up to 10 years."


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We have once again been driven off track by the media and talking points of the left. If I hear "comprehensive immigration reform" one more time I will puke. We do not need reform, we need enforcement. There are multitudes of laws already on the books to address every issue regarding immigration but they are being ignored for some new utopian version of immigration that will lead to nothing but millions more Democrat voters.
They are currently running a series of radio commercials in LA spewing all the buzzwords the right wants to hear. Background checks, border fence, no benefits, etc. like this new bloated bill will really address any of that. If they were serious about these items they would just enforce the laws we have.
We have INS, let them do their job. We have Everify, make employers use it. Welfare for illegals is against the law, don't give it to them. It is simple but that is not the goal of current immigration talks.
Any Republican that has jumped on the bandwagon to support this bill is a sellout and anyone that supports that person is a fool.
That's where I stand Dewey.
The gang of 8 can suck it!

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sbmom1812

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Spazdad I dont know whether you can blame this on the media when "repub" senators are  pushing  the bill and people like Rove and big business sees $ with cheap labor get in cahoots and dont care about what else comes along with it and how it will hurt the country, middle class and poor, especially.  The libs want a stream of voters and big govt repubs and libs both want cheap labor for their big corp backers.  Their opening the faucet for a flood of this not just the stream we have had previously, criminals included!

Dont forget the obamacars that are included for bernie sanders vote too!

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My question is, after we immediately grant amnesty to 11 million lawbreakers, who says we aren't doing it again in 5 years? My dog will learn corrective behavior if I give it treats. What we are doing is teaching immigrants that, if they come here illegally, then in a few years, they get the treat?

Since when is it OK to allow this type of free for all?
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Mikec the senate bill not only incentivizes as you are saying, it legally opens a wider faucet and monetarily incentivizes illegals.  They are exempted from Obamacare so it would cost companies less to hire illegals than Americans not to mention how it will drive down wages.  Predictions are around 33 million illegals over next 10 yrs which is considerably more than what we have had over the last 40 yrs.
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Therein lies the problem
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Even if all the illegals become legal, they will still work at a lower rate but be paid in cash only, thus not paying tax. as they do now. then they take the money South and spend it there. and when they retire they move back to Mexico, since everthing is cheaper than here. do not why we spend so much of our time making them legal, while nothing changes
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Yes, the Mexicans send their money back to Mexico.....That's a fact!
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The TV just happened to be on Fox News when I heard Paul Ryan explaining to Hannity the House's plan. While not a huge Hannity fan, I give him credit for pressing Ryan on not securing the border before any discussion of citizenship. Ryan just kept repeating the same bs. If anyone is confusing this guy with someone interested in protecting our country, they appear to be mistaken. These clowns are giving our country away.
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I understand there are all kinds of attachments in the Senate bill that have zero to do with immigration, designed to get certain senators to vote for it.
I hope the House is smart enough to put the country before politics & crash this over 1200 page bill [ & it is not completed yet ].
Call your congressmen.
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I doubt there is one Conservative that supports this Obamination,



woody - There were 15 Senate Republicans voting for the immigration bill and probably several dozen in the House will too, assuming they get a chance.  Who are these people if not Republicans?  Anyways, I'm still curious if there are any UCS members who identify with these people and support this reform.  Peek your head up if you will.  Let these other members know you're out there.


What do you not understand? It is evident that you did not read my post, or intentionally attempted to misrepresent my actual post for your political gain. CONSERVATIVE, does not = Republican RINO from the Northeast, and Northwest, whose states will not be absorbing 10's of millions of illegal aliens. Nice dodge, once again. It seems you are all about the dodge, and cannot debate in an intellectual fashion. Continue on, it does nothing to support your cause.

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woody - I'd say Graham, McCain, Mike Lee, and Toomey are all Republicans who would say they are Conservative.  I suppose woody will say they aren't but I should warn you, if I told somebody they weren't what they said they were, all he// would break loose.  If you've noticed, I've been on the lookout for a Republican inside our community.  Are you telling me there are no Conservative Republicans anymore?
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That's right, there are no conservative republicans. Lol.
Is it possible you don't understand that most conservatives identify with the republican party, but this doesn't mean they agree with every republicans stance on every topic? It's not a difficult concept.

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Paul Ryan is concerned with only Paul Ryan.....The guy is a big negative for the Republican party...So is Rubio....They are opportunists trying to fill their pockets!
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They are opportunists trying to fill their pockets!

Unfortunately this is what we are left with in politics.

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ForeverInBlue

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It is now legal to forge passports, thanks to the Senate's bizarre immigration bill.


Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) informed FBI Director Robert Mueller at a Senate Judiciary hearing on June 19 that the “Gang of Eight” immigration bill does not make it a crime to produce or traffic U.S. passports unless three or more fake passports are made or sold.

“I would share with Senator Grassley deep concern that this immigration bill would say for passports — which you [Mueller] should be aware of and need to be on top of – only those who produce, issue or distribute three or more passports have committed a crime,” Sessions said.

“Under the bill only those who forge, alter, and possess three or more passports will have committed a crime, and not only those who use any official material to make 10 or more passports will have committed a crime,” Sessions said.

On page 1,557 of the Border Security, Economic Opportunity and Immigration Modernization Act, S. 744, under Section 3707, “Reform of Passport, Visa and Immigration Fraud Offenses,” the text states.

http://rare.us/story/gang-of-eight-bill-says-its-ok-to-forge-2-passports-but-not-3/


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A i have said many a time and is repeated here is that people running for politics nowdays are only to fill their pockets.
as an example what did Obama own prior to running for president and what he owns now after one term as president.
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What does he own now?  And did he acquire these additional things legally?
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Senate passes bill.
Boehner says its DOA in the House.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2013/jun/27/boehner-senate-bill-still-doa-house/

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What gets me about this bill is that it doesn't even permit enough Ag. work visas to meet the needs of growers & farmers....so will just lead to more illegals.
I think a lot of the Republicans think voting for ANY immigration bill will help the republicans with Hispanics. It is like they will flock to the party if they pass a bill. That is a total joke. If the bill isn't right, hold tight to your principles. I hope the 14 senators that caved in & voted yes, pay for it dearly.
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I keep hearing that this influx of cheap labor will be good for the economy. If that's true, why isnt Mexico booming?
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I keep hearing that this influx of cheap labor will be good for the economy. If that's true, why isnt Mexico booming?


LOL.  and I hear those 'on the path to citizenship' will be taking the jobs of those already here and working. 

They will work for less, not be mandated to receive obamacare and American businesses that are backing this bill will BOOM.  That is why 14 Republicans voted yes today on the Senate bill.

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I keep hearing that this influx of cheap labor will be good for the economy. If that's true, why isnt Mexico booming?


LOL.  and I hear those 'on the path to citizenship' will be taking the jobs of those already here and working. 

They will work for less, not be mandated to receive obamacare and American businesses that are backing this bill will BOOM.  That is why 14 Republicans voted yes today on the Senate bill.
I will give the Dems credit, they have turned 14 Republicans into Democrat wannabes......lets be sure to remember each & every one of them.
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......lets be sure to remember each & every one of them.


I already have taken their names but there isn't thing I can do about those 14.  My 2 senators ain't stupid, Cruz and Cornyn, and my HOR will vote the same way that they did.  I can hear Ted Poe and Steve Stockman already.

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Back to the title of this thread which is completely appropriate:

Can we all agree that the immigration bill passed by the Senate is a horrible piece of legislation based solely on the pork that has been added to it?  $1.5 billion for a youth jobs program.  A kickback for Las Vegas casinos.  Money for the seafood industry and for au pair agencies.

The pork was put in by Senators on both sides of the aisle.

This is why Congress has such a low approval rating.  We have a massive debt problem yet many Senators feel no shame in putting in wasteful spending into a piece of legislation completely detached from the intent of the bill.

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Yes it was horrible.  Just like Obamacare!   It will be interesting to see if the House will bring any sanity to the process.  Its pretty bad when people who have broken the law coming into this country are given so much and the hard working taxpaying citizen is screwed!  Our senators are amazing.
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Back to the title of this thread which is completely appropriate:

Can we all agree that the immigration bill passed by the Senate is a horrible piece of legislation based solely on the pork that has been added to it?  $1.5 billion for a youth jobs program.  A kickback for Las Vegas casinos.  Money for the seafood industry and for au pair agencies.

The pork was put in by Senators on both sides of the aisle.

This is why Congress has such a low approval rating.  We have a massive debt problem yet many Senators feel no shame in putting in wasteful spending into a piece of legislation completely detached from the intent of the bill.



dewey says there are 3 aisles... the tea party group did not add any pork, they just voted nay

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I stand corrected - proudly.
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