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B10IS1

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Republican senators[ one's that voted for the bill ], think the AMNESTY bill will be good for them personally. They have business & agribusiness lobbyists who will profit from illegals & new immigrants low wages. Most of the 14 are willing to sell out America & their base to fatten their own political coffers AND THEY THINK THEY CAN SURVIVE THE VOTER'S WRATH.
I don't have a link to prove this, but here is my estimate of what this bill will cost us [ & this doesn't include all the "FAT " attached to it ].Over a lifetime amnesty for the former illegals will result in them receiving $9.4 trillion in Government services & benefits & pay only $3.1T in taxes. I estimate they would create a lifetime fiscal deficit of $6.3 T. I based this on where I read the average age would be 34 & they would receive $592,000 more in gov benefits with access to some 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, SS, Medicare & Medicaid.
You might say, BIG10, that's a lot of figuring with no real #s & you might be right. Imo, my estimates most likely underestimate real future costs because it probably undercounts the number of unlawful immigrants & dependents & also underestimates the growth in welfare & medical benefits.

This bill will be a crushing tax burden for America & our children/grand children.

If this bill passes the house being anywhere close to what it is in present form, I will do all I can as a single tax-paying citizen of the USA & Missouri to see all those who voted YES, are not forgotten.

Of course that is God willing that I am still around in 2014 & 16
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The immigration bill passed in the Senate, if it becomes law will permanently wipe away our country as we know it. Democrats believe it will mean a permanent voting majority for their big government welfare state. Imo, they are right on. Our country will become the republican's worst nightmare; a nanny state with a continued democrat majority that feel entitled to live off the taxpaying families.
Many of the economic hopes of the middle class & our young people will be crushed as they are forced to compete for low wage jobs. Constitutionally limited government will be something of the past as we get an unassimilated INFLUX of those that do not understand our republic & the principles for which it stands.
I will survive, not to sure about my grandkids & great-grandkids
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Yes, some of their sponsors like this bill, but I think they voted for it to try and buy some votes and try and get rid of a political issue.  What the idiots dont realize is they run away more votes than they ever pick up and the libs and immigration activists wont let the issue ever go just like the black activists and libs are screaming racism for everything.  If they think they can get an upper hand politically they will never let it go. Divide and conquer with minorities. Libs dont care as long as they buy that power.  Half of the repubs right now are just idiots, especially in the senate.  Their terms are too long and dont fear the electorate like the house.  It needs to change, just like term limits.
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Who even said that these people WANT to be citizens.  If they know they will not be harassed they can just stay here and work under the same rules and conditions they are working now.  If they know they will not be deported how would they benefit by becoming citizens?  Many are paid cash now and pay no taxes.  Why would they want to then come out of the shadows and then all of a sudden have to pay a 'fine' and then have to pay taxes?  Asinine to assume they actually want to go through all that process and lose money in the meantime.
What would the benefit be for them, if they know they won't be rounded up and deported, to become an American citizen?  I really do not think there is an answer

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The answer is close the border.  You are right about the rest.  If they dont like living the way they are, go home and do it legally.  E verify should be used by all employers.  Visa system needs to be cleaned up.  Alot are visa overstays.  With digital sytems that should be easy if they actually wanted to enforce.  
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The answer is close the border.  You are right about the rest.  If they dont like living the way they are, go home and do it legally.  E verify should be used by all employers.  Visa system needs to be cleaned up.  Alot are visa overstays.  With digital sytems that should be easy if they actually wanted to enforce.
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McCain said this morning!  Repubs need to get this issue behind them.  What a fricking idiot!  This issue will never go away for the dems, just like the black issue has never gone away, even though historically the repubs are the ones that have helped the black community.  
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McCain said this morning!  Repubs need to get this issue behind them.  What a fricking idiot!  This issue will never go away for the dems, just like the black issue has never gone away, even though historically the repubs are the ones that have helped the black community.  


McCain has lost his mind.  senile old fart, he is joisey's 'wahington way' in a nutshell.  He is a sellout...Rubio is done, he whored himself out to McCain and Schumer.  The House will not bellyflop like the idiots in the senate. 

Heard a great statistic on Huckabee, of the 8 great senators on the 'Gang of 8', not one of them had ever owned a business, very telling.  How can a libtard defend that?

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I see that Bush Jr. has speechified in about immigration. I wonder what he has to say about Iraq and Afghanistan, minus the corporate profit motive that is.  Mission Accomplished !!!!!    
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real - Gee, if McCain is a Repubtard and every Democrat is a Libtard, we as a nation are understandably running down a negative road. Guess that you, Susan, and I are the only nontards left.     
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Three's a charm!!!
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This little play has become all too familiar in Washington - the Dems pass a bill that has no chance in the house, the Reps block the bill, both sides claim political victories, and nothing gets done.
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The dems know things are established well from the two years they had total control.  So, if they dont get pretty much exactly what they want they would just a soon not have anything pass and blame obstructionist repubs, white repubs, etc for the next election.  Sad, but look at blacks.  Are they any better off?  Not saying repubs are much better, but right now they are the least of the evils and you have to start somewhere.
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JOINT STATEMENT BY HOUSE GOP LEADERS ON IMMIGRATION REFORM

July 10, 2013

House Speaker John Boehner, Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy, Conference Chair Cathy McMorris Rodgers, Homeland Security Committee Chairman Michael McCaul and Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte issued the following statement following a special meeting of the House Republican Conference to discuss the issue of immigration reform:

“Today House Republicans affirmed that rather than take up the flawed legislation rushed through the Senate, House committees will continue their work on a step-by-step, common-sense approach to fixing what has long been a broken system. The American people want our border secured, our laws enforced, and the problems in our immigration system fixed to strengthen our economy. But they don’t trust a Democratic-controlled Washington, and they’re alarmed by the president’s ongoing insistence on enacting a single, massive, Obamacare-like bill rather than pursuing a step-by-step, common-sense approach to actually fix the problem. The president has also demonstrated he is willing to unilaterally delay or ignore significant portions of laws he himself has signed, raising concerns among Americans that this administration cannot be trusted to deliver on its promises to secure the border and enforce laws as part of a single, massive bill like the one passed by the Senate.”

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dewey needs to add this excerpt from your post FIB when he adds up the unimpressive accomplishments of the obama legacy

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The president has also demonstrated he is willing to unilaterally delay or ignore significant portions of laws he himself has signed, raising concerns among Americans that this administration cannot be trusted to deliver on its promises to secure the border and enforce laws as part of a single, massive bill like the one passed by the Senate.

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Yup. With immigration DOA and ACA unimplementable, it looks like Obama's signature achievement could be gays in the military.
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Greta has an immigration plan, luckily it isn't 1200 pages, but only one page, simple and reasonable.

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2013/06/23/how-about-a-simple-solution-not-perfect-but-simple-my-immigration-bill-is-one-page-while-senates-is-1200-pages/

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Yup. With immigration DOA and ACA unimplementable, it looks like Obama's signature achievement could be gays in the military.


Gays in military would be #1 yes. 
#2 is Lily Ledbetter
#3 he helped to double the student loan rate to 6.8%, oh wait he only had 2 accomplishments

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Senate bill not even constitutional cause it raises revenues.  So, Reid has not even sent it to Boehner as he doesnt want it to be blue slipped for being unconstitutional.  Tels you how much all those that voted for the bill cared.
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Just watching the POTUS talk, again, about "putting politics aside, and getting this done".

That made me wonder, in a very honest way - what's in it for him?  What's in it for any American?  Why are some people so anxious to grant amnesty for people who have been breaking our laws?

I know the "they'll be Democrats" argument - is that really all there is to this? 

Are we only talking about Mexican illegals, or do illegals from Europe qualify as well?  Is there a difference?

Would there be justification to granting amnesty for other crimes?
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Are we only talking about Mexican illegals,.......


Or Kenya....
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To answer the question presented in the title of this thread.......Yes.
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....and there is absolutely no reason why illegals immigrants should get any benefits or be instantly granted citizenship.
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From the Pres today:

“It does not make sense to me if we're going to make this once-in-a-generation effort to finally fix the system to leave the status of 11 million people or so unresolved,” he said. “And certainly for us to have two classes of people in this country, full citizens and people who are permanently resigned to a lower status, I think that's not who we are as Americans. That's never been our tradition.”

I ask again - what's in it for him, or the country at large?  Are other crimes being considered for amnesty?
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Saw these on TV today - Some great anti-immigration rhetoric from the right -

Ted Cruz Attends Immigration Rally Hosted By Proud Racist

by: Ben Sherman

Sun Jul 21, 2013 at 02:59 PM CDT

Last Monday at a rally on Capitol Hill, Ted Cruz railed against what he called the "indefensible" immigration bill that has already passed the Senate.

Speaking of "indefensible," guess who organized the rally? White nationalist John Tanton. He has called black Americans a "retrograde species of humanity," and promotes racist pseudoscience that he uses to argue for eugenics.

Tanton doesn't beat around the bush of his utopian vision. He once said: "I've come to the point of view that for European-American society and culture to persist requires a European-American majority, and a clear one at that."

 
The rally, of course, reflected its organizer's views. Ken Crow, head of the Tea Party Community group, spoke and made this case about "breeding":
CROW: From those incredible blood lines of Thomas Jefferson and George Washington and John Smith. And all these great Americans, Martin Luther King. These great Americans who built this country. You came from them. And the unique thing about being from that part of the world, when you learn about breeding, you learn that you cannot breed Secretariat to a donkey and expect to win the Kentucky Derby. You guys have incredible DNA and don't forget it.



Steve King Compares Immigrants to Dogs, Says it was a Compliment

He also claimed that the majority of undocumented immigrants are “130-pound” drug runners with “calves the size of cantaloupes.”
 
In a Univision interview, leading Hispanic reporter Jorge Ramos  confronted Rep. Steve King (R-IA) over remarks in 2012 where the congressman likened immigrants to dogs. King refused to apologize, even as Ramos told him “many people would find that offensive and racist.”

Video of King’s 2012 town hall shows him saying America has the “pick of the litter,” and should pick the “friskier” immigrants, “not the one that’s over there sleeping on the corner.”

But King denies that he ever made the comparison. Interrupting Ramos throughout the interview to make that point, King said, “I told you if you watch that video you would know that was a speech celebrating legal immigrants.”


Steve King: Comparing Immigrants To Dogs Was 'A Compliment'

WASHINGTON -- Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) on Sunday stood by eyebrow-raising comments he made in May, insisting that he was praising immigrants when he compared selecting visa recipients to choosing a "good bird dog."

"It was a compliment ... They knew it was a compliment, they turned it into an insult because they're professional hyperventilators," the immigration hardliner said in an interview on Des Moines NBC affiliate WHO-TV, posted by a site run by the campaign of his Democratic opponent, Christie Vilsack.

King said at a town hall earlier this year that when picking a good bird dog, it is important to avoid choosing "the one that's sleeping in the corner." He then added that immigrants to the United States should be looked at in the same way.

"You get the pick of the litter and you got yourself a pretty good bird dog. Well, we’ve got the pick of every donor civilization on the planet," King said at the time. "We’ve got the vigor from the planet to come to America."





Ummmmmm............  Wow...........


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Obama launched his presidential campaign in the living room of an unrepentant terrorist - what's your point?
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Saw these on TV today - Some great anti-ILLEGAL-immigration rhetoric from the right

Ther, fixed it for you. You libs always like to leave that key word out of your rhetoric.
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Thanks for the chiding spazsdad.  As for the Ayers comment, mikec, maybe you should read what snopes has quoted Ayers saying about that "living room" meeting -


The week after the 2008 presidential election, Ayers himself acknowledged in an interview that he hadn't known Barack Obama all that well:
Vietnam-era radical Bill Ayers said he doesn't know President-elect Barack Obama any better than "thousands of other Chicagoans" and the two never talked about Ayers' anti-war activities. In a television interview on ABC's "Good Morning America," the college professor disputed the contention that in the new afterword of a paperback edition of his 2001 memoir "Fugitive Days" he describes himself and Obama as "family friends."

"I'm describing there how the blogosphere characterized the relationship," Ayers said. "I would really say that we knew each other in a professional way, again on the same level as say thousands of other people."

In fact, Ayers said he didn't even know Obama when he hosted a coffee early in Obama's political career at Ayers' home in the Chicago neighborhood where the two live. Ayers added that he agreed to have the meet-the-candidate event after a state senator asked him to.

"I think he was probably in 20 homes that day as far as I know," he said. "But that was the first time I really met him."


Now that that's out of the way, do you have any comments on what I posted about Steve King and/or Ken Crow?  Do you support their comments?  Are they helping the Republican Party gain support?

Here's some more from Steve King - why don't you address his comments instead of attacking me? -


July 23, 2013, 4:22 pm

G.O.P. Congressman’s Remarks Undermine Party’s Immigration Efforts

Representative Steve King before a House committee hearing on immigration on Tuesday.Christopher Gregory/The New York Times Representative Steve King before a House committee hearing on immigration on Tuesday.

An attempt on Tuesday by House Republicans to show that they were at least somewhat open to an overhaul of immigration laws was overshadowed by comments from Representative Steve King of Iowa, who said that some undocumented immigrants had “calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert.”

In an interview with Newsmax, a conservative Web site, last week, Mr. King expressed skepticism about proposals to provide a path to citizenship for people, often called “Dreamers,” who were brought to the United States illegally as young children.

He acknowledged that some Dreamers were valedictorians, then added: “But they aren’t all valedictorians. They weren’t all brought in by their parents.

“For every one who’s a valedictorian, there’s another 100 out there that they weigh 130 pounds, and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert,” Mr. King, an outspoken foe of an immigration overhaul, told Newsmax. “Those people would be legalized with the same act.”

Mr. King’s comments became an issue on Tuesday as the House Judiciary Committee held a hearing to discuss a possible path to citizenship for the Dreamers. Though many immigration advocates considered the hearing a first step by House Republicans toward reform involving at least some of the 11 million immigrants who are here illegally, the remarks by Mr. King again gave voice to the vocal contingent of conservatives who oppose any attempt at an overhaul.

In an e-mail on Tuesday, Brad Woodhouse, president of Americans United for Change, a left-leaning advocacy group, called the comments “disgusting” and “deplorable.”

And Representative Joe Garcia, Democrat of Florida, used his opening remarks at the committee hearing to call Mr. King’s language “offensive.”




 
   

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First  - I wasn't attacking you.  I was stating that Obama hangs out with very unsavory characters, some of whom are as racist as any of the people you reference above.  That Professor, who I think is named Henry Gates, come to mind.

As for Cruz - no problem with his remarks.  As for the guy hosting it - may be a bad choice, but I haven't researched him enough to know.

I think Mr. King shouldn't refer to anyone as dogs.

Now - you wanna say something about Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and your friend Masare making racial comments over the past week and a half, or is that OK?

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Eight members of Congress arrested, including Rep. John Lewis at immigration protest

October 8, 2013
By Anomaly

U.S. Rep. John Lewis was arrested Tuesday in front of the Capitol during a protest advocating for immigration reform, and he wasn’t alone. Other members of Congress were arrested as well.

The Atlanta Democrat and civil rights activist was one of several members of Congress arrested along with other protesters at the National Mall, as they locked arms and refused to move from the street.

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The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports that Lewis was arrested at 4:15 p.m. in front of the Capitol.

This is the 45th time Lewis has been arrested for civil disobedience.

PBS reports, “Now This News compiled a video of all eight members of Congress who were arrested. The group also includes Reps. Joe Crowley, Raul Grijalva, Luis Gutierrez, Jan Schakowsky and Al Green.”


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