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ForeverInBlue

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It is, according to former Senator Jim DeMint, who says if people take the time to read the current proposal it will be blocked.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/347413/demint-immigration-reform-if-people-read-bill-it-will-be-blocked

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Pat Buchanan says it will erase the southern border.
(I thought Obama already did that by not enforcing existing laws. Why do we need a bill?)

http://newsbusters.org//blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/05/04/pat-buchanan-amnesty-and-path-citizenship-lead-erasure-southern-borde

And here's a report that amnestied illegals will get $9.4 Triilion in benefits, and increase the debt $6.3 Trillion. Mind you the debt now is only around $17 Trillion, so that's a pretty big jump.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/heritage-amnestied-illegals-will-get-94t-benefits-increase-debt-63t

I haven't read the bill so can't comment, but first appearances seem a bit shaky. Some think it does to much, others not enough. Look for things to heat up soon.




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Well since according to the President all of Mexico's problems are caused by the US we should just open up the border and allow them all in so we can atone for our wrongs and help them out.
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ForeverInBlue - Look, this thread is in the form of a question.  Go figure.  You know, for the sake of discussion, it would be interesting to know if you were leaning towards Sen. Rubio or towards former Sen. Demint with regards to this current immigration proposal?  I'd ask directly but I'm afraid you'd simply walk away from me and leave me hanging.  Sometimes I'm not sure if these threads are real or fake invitations to hear a response from the Democrats inside here.  By the way, the study mentioned was done by Sen. Demint's biased group and was some kind of wild estimate as to a potential cost over the next 80 years or so.  I wouldn't put too much stock into it.  
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I would...

Illegal immigrants broke America's laws.....Plain and simple....Deport them....
ForeverInBlue

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Yeah, I noticed the question mark. Funny thing is, I also put it there. Lol.

Last I heard Rubio is saying it needs changes, and since he's an author he might know, certainly more than I would, since, as I said, I haven't read it.

Idk what you mean walk away from you. I post when I can. I miss a lot if threads get really active because I usually don't have the time to read over every post in every thread, and frequently skip over bits that appear repetitive. And yes, I'm aware that Heritage is conservative, and they would have concerns regarding this legislation. The way government works these days, all Americans should have concerns about the legislation.

As for Dems contributing to the thread, I suppose that's optional, as always.

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Thanks.  When you decide which way you're leaning, I'll be interested in your answer.  Until then, I'm leaning towards the Rubio bill and it seems bluedog is leaning towards the DeMint position that the bill should be blocked.  With that in mind, I'd wager the GOP will vote no on the bill as written.  The GOP vote no?  I suppose I could make a living off those wagers.
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I wager this president will be shot down again.  He didn't handle his business in 1st term, now nothing but a figurehead.  Government will have to run without him like it did from 2008-2012, lameduck in full swing.  Fore!!
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I don't know about you but to me Rubio is the best to go to get mexican food.
i didn't know that we had a politician with the same name.
wonder if he is the owner?????
in my opinion if you let people that have broken our law become legal, then why do we put others that break other laws go to prison.
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Immigration reform bill from what i have read seems like a joke.  If Rubio wants to not get a rhino rep he better be careful.  The company he is keeping in the "gang of 8 " is not good and he will kill himself with his "tea partiers" and true conservatives pretty quickly.  IMO, a majority of voters want the border secure.  They understand certain things are inevitable with who is here in spite of the fact that they are criminals that no one wants to describe accurately.  They just dont want millions more like we got after the previous amnesty and what the libs want for that nice voting block to keep enslaved just like the blacks.  
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Knee jerk reaction time. Part of me says...Well we should have closed our borders to immigrants all together. Yet this is the very thing that this country was founded on. Providing safe haven and a place for others in all Countries to come start a new life. I honestly believe the whole immigration issue is way out of hand and I am not completely sure any side of the ball/political parties have a viable answer for solving these issues.
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There are other problems with this amnesty bill:

  • According to the Heritage Foundation, the average illegal alien who would be legalized under this bill will consume $592,000 more in welfare benefits than he will pay in taxes over the course of his lifetime.
  • The total cost to American taxpayers would be a staggering $6.3 trillion, a bill to be paid by our children and grandchildren since it will have to be borrowed or printed.
  • According to Sen. Jeff Sessions, this bill, through chain migration and other provisions, will result in an immigration flood of 57 million people over the next ten years.
  • The bill, as Sen. Chuck Schumer has often stated, legalizes 11 to 12 million illegal aliens immediately, long before any actual improvements in border security are made. Sound immigration policy dictates that the border be secured before any other immigration issues are addressed.

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According to the Heritage Foundation, the average illegal alien who would be legalized under this bill will consume $592,000 more in welfare benefits than he will pay in taxes over the course of his lifetime.


Even if this figure is half this amount, can we afford it????  Can someone from the left claim that these moochers will pay their fair share at least and break even?  Let's see some homework assignments disputing this projection

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A labor union representing 12,000 federal officers who issue immigration documents will join forces on Monday with the union representing deportation agents to publicly oppose a bill overhauling the immigration system that is making its way through the Senate, arguing that the legislation would weaken public safety.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/us/politics/larger-union-enforcing-immigration-opposes-overhaul.html?pagewanted=all&_r=2&

What's this? Federal union employees concerned the immigration bill will weaken public safety? Oh my.

Is this Obama's immigration bill? Does Obama even have an immigration bill?

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Further proof that illegals have been getting benefits for yrs!  I love how libs say americans nor illegals can do that when they have been doing it ever since the programs started.

http://www.fiscalconservatives.com/videos/jBpEysmJ62Q.html


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Illegals should be deported along with their minor children unless the children were born in the US, and can stay with a sponsor family. It isn't cruel, it isn't a terrible thing. It is an economic fact, that we cannot support a large percentage of Mexico's population, and also provide education, medical services, housing, utility subsidies, food stamps, retirement and medicare benefits to Mexico's citizens, and our own LEGAL population at the same time. Who's welfare am I paying taxes for, my own countrymen, or whomever skips the border? This isn't a freebie nation forever, and eventually Socialist will run out of other people's money to spend buying votes.
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An immigration union leader warns about the dangers of the Senate bill, claims DHS lies to the public about enforcement issues.

From the liberal NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/02/us/for-chris-crane-a-quest-to-block-an-immigration-bill.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=1&

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All immigrant lawbreakers should be deported.....Any other solution is wrong...There country needs them...
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if their country needed them why would they want to come illegaly to the US????????
their country wants them to come to the US work and bring the money back home, wjthout having to pay taxes in the US.
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if their country needed them why would they want to come illegaly to the US????????
their country wants them to come to the US work and bring the money back home, wjthout having to pay taxes in the US.


typical raping of our economy that libtards endorse.  paying for the vote

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Hammer, if America was taken over by drug gangs, I wouldn't run to Mexico...I'd stay and fight to take back my country from the drug dealers.......Illegals are dishonorable humans on more than one count....
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bluedog tell that the farmers and manufacturers that keep hiring them because they pay them less than minimum wage and don't give them heath insurance.
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FROM dewey, a month ago:
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Thanks.  When you decide which way you're leaning, I'll be interested in your answer.  Until then, I'm leaning towards the Rubio bill


Hope you still feel that way
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In a video to constituents, Sen. Marco Rubio has raised the possibility that he could abandon the immigration reform bill he’s been pushing if political “horse trading” waters down his priorities in the bill.

Though he defended the idea of comprehensive immigration reform, Rubio warned that if the individual components (such as E-Verify and border security) aren’t treated “as separate issues even though they are dealt with in one bill, then I won’t be able to support that anymore.”


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Saturday Obama said that anyone standing in the way of immigration was only trying to, " stoke fear & create division ". Hearing this from the master of fear & divide, I about feel out of my chair.
Maybe it is some of those 7.6% UE people not in favor, just saying.
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Senator Ayotte has now signed on to the bill.  Good news.
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Sure hope one of these illegals doesn't get the welding job my grandson wants before he grads from welding school.
They already get more breaks than him & his wife, trying to raise 2 kids, while working  & going to school, not getting a dime from Mr Obama, they even had to get their own cell phones.
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Senator Ayotte has now signed on to the bill.  Good news.
Glad to see she isn't stoking fear & divide.
Dewey, in the bill, it includes those here to pay back taxes on what they made. Think they got pretty good records on just what they owe? The Republicans supporting the bill as is are going to get dupped, just like Reagan did.
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Illigal immigrants come to and stay in America these past 100+ years because there is always someone willing to pay them slave-wages under the table.
Companies outsource jobs to india and china to get workers who get no benefits, can't sue, and are glad to get 10% of what an American citizen would want to do the same job.....and in America they hire illegals for landscaping, field work, housekeeping, pool cleaning, and other labor for pennies on the dollar of hiring an American citizen and without paperwork, benefits, liability, etc.
There are people that gripe about illegals yet pay their landscaper to do their lawn under the table or get day laborers to do jobs for them for chump change.

Stop hiring them. Stop teaching in Spanish and English. Stop benefits to non-citizens. And if you are born on us soil to both non-usa citizen parents you are not a us citizen. Technically a woman could sit at the border before giving birth and step into America as the baby is born and the baby is a us citizen. wtf? If America is not so accomidating then the flow will slow down. As it is now many in mexico have a harsh life there and anything in America, including living in poverty, is a dream compared to the nightmare they live in mexico. And if they can work under the table for crap wages it is better than no wages in mexico.

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http://ace.mu.nu/archives/340768.php

Rubio is saying one thing to Conservatives in English and another thing to Univision in Spanish.

Losing his cred, fast.

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Rubio never had any!
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