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AtlUmpSteve

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Just wondering, with the rule change that if ANY part of the foot is touching the ground outside the batter's box, the batter is out, is anyone seeing slap hitters in the fall games?

Has the rules committee effectively legislated slapping out of NCAA softball?  Or are teams still doing it, are the fall umpires making the call, and the coaches going ballistic, yet?  It's early, so just wondering what anyone is seeing.

I suspect that there will be an uproar once the fall season is in full swing, coaches realize what the rule says versus what is intended; and the rules committee will have to change it.  Hoping the effect of the unintended consequences is swift in coming (like the extended shoe flap ruling), and doesn't wait a full two year rule cycle (like removing then reinstating the running lane line).
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Saw several teams slap over the weekend with no calls-talked to a couple umps and both said that they will never call it because it requires giving up on the strike zone. Had another guy call and tell me it was called at the D2 level.
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Saw several teams slap over the weekend with no calls-talked to a couple umps and both said that they will never call it because it requires giving up on the strike zone. Had another guy call and tell me it was called at the D2 level.


I think many would prefer the UMPs give up on the strike zone, most don't know what it is anyway. Might as well be good at at least one thing.
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I think many would prefer the UMPs give up on the strike zone, most don't know what it is anyway. Might as well be good at at least one thing.



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This rule change also deleted the part that had barred touching the plate (at the moment of ball-bat contact).  Did that part of the old rule get moved somewhere else?  
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Most umpires tell me that they can't see the player's foot while watching the pitch at the same time. I think this rule is intended to make it less controversial if they do catch a glimpse of a kid outside what would have been a line drawn in a batter's box.
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Maybe Steve can help here. The Emanuel sisters at Georgia would repeatedly step in front of the plate, rendering the outside pitch ineffective. Why can't the field umps call this when there is nobody on base? I understand there are other duties(maybe) when bases are occupied, but this would be a simple call from the field and allow the plate ump to concentrate on the strike zone.
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That would seem like a lot of situational duty-juggling
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Saw several teams slap over the weekend with no calls-talked to a couple umps and both said that they will never call it because it requires giving up on the strike zone. Had another guy call and tell me it was called at the D2 level.


What does "give up the strike zone" mean?  To me, it is very simple.  It is easy to see follow the path of the ball and still be aware of the slapper's position in regards to the box.  Easy call if the foot is out.  I have seen replays on tv where the batters foot is touching the plate when they make contact with the ball but no call from the umpire.  How could they miss that?

The duty now (as it always should have) is for coaches to teach proper slapping technique where the slapper makes contact with her body fully in the box.   As I previous said, all is very simple.
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Body in the box, back foot on the ground, front foot in the air but past in front of the box. Illegal or not?
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This rule change also deleted the part that had barred touching the plate (at the moment of ball-bat contact).  Did that part of the old rule get moved somewhere else?  


My guess is they felt it unnecessary to be specific about touching the plate. Obviously, if you're foot is touching the plate, you have at least a portion of your foot out of the box. I always thought it odd that they even had that as a specific rule seeing as you'd be violating the rule of being out of the box if you were stepping on the plate.
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Maybe Steve can help here. The Emanuel sisters at Georgia would repeatedly step in front of the plate, rendering the outside pitch ineffective. Why can't the field umps call this when there is nobody on base? I understand there are other duties(maybe) when bases are occupied, but this would be a simple call from the field and allow the plate ump to concentrate on the strike zone.


Both sisters have been called for this several times, and yes, even a few of those were when there was no one on base. If they're not calling it then they're not seeing it, because both have definitely been caught "with their hand in the cookie jar".
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Body in the box, back foot on the ground, front foot in the air but past in front of the box. Illegal or not?

Since in your description no part of the foot is touching the ground outside the box I would say legal

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I have video(I'll try to find it) from the telecast that will dispute that. We called them out as it was obvious from the dugout. In conference with the home blue, he said, "it's hard". I don't understand a field ump with no other duties not calling an obvious infraction. 
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Kind of like ignoring an illegal pitch?
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My guess is they felt it unnecessary to be specific about touching the plate. Obviously, if you're foot is touching the plate, you have at least a portion of your foot out of the box. I always thought it odd that they even had that as a specific rule seeing as you'd be violating the rule of being out of the box if you were stepping on the plate.


That makes sense.  Duh.  Although prior to the change, a part of a foot could be touching the plate, while part could still be in the box.  So the old rule needed to specify the plate issue, since otherwise it would have been legal to make contact given that part of the foot was still in the box.
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Kind of like ignoring an illegal pitch?

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