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ForeverInBlue

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Oops! Turns out is wasn't just some low level functionaries in Cincinatti that were targeting Conservatives. Turns out the IRS in Los Angeles and in Washington DC were also involved. Oh, what a surprise! Since Obama says he gets his information from the news, maybe someone better forward him this story:

http://m.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-denounces-reported-irs-targeting-of-conservative-groups/2013/05/13/a0185644-bbdf-11e2-97d4-a479289a31f9_story.html

Here is the funniest line from the article, a quote from Obama vowing he “will make sure that we find out exactly what happened on this,”

Hahaha! Where have we heard that before?!
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In April 2012 a St Louis reporter went to Washington and interviewed President Obama. He asked some tough questions, and the interview gained some notoriety. Shortly after the interview, the reporter, Larry Summers, was contacted by the IRS. Not only contacted, but "hammered" by the IRS.

Here is his story

http://danaloeschradio.com/reporter-claims-irs-harassment-after-tough-obama-interview/

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FIB the Obama people will blame BUSH for it anyway.
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FIB the Obama people will blame BUSH for it anyway.


Don't forget Carney was invoking Romney the other day, and then there is always the sequester. And yesterday Obama even blamed the Cold War for something something something. The excuses are piling up so fast even Nixon and Carter are gaining stature. Obama is the most hapless - and probably criminal -president in our lifetime.
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Even Pro Publica, a leading prog organization, is ratting out the IRS, as it becomes apparent that the IRS was deliberately targeting conservative groups in the lead up to the 2012 elections

http://www.propublica.org/article/irs-office-that-targeted-tea-party-also-disclosed-confidential-docs

Here is Breitbarts with some info on who funds Pro Publica

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/14/Progressive-Group-Says-IRS-Gave-Them-Confidential-Docs-On-Conservative-Groups
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As Carney warns us "not to jump to conclusions" there is a guy who shot a crappy anti-Muslim video sitting in federal prison who is probably chuckling right about now. Oh, the irony.
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FIB the Obama people will blame BUSH for it anyway.
Don't forget Carney was invoking Romney the other day, and then there is always the sequester. And yesterday Obama even blamed the Cold War for something something something. The excuses are piling up so fast even Nixon and Carter are gaining stature. Obama is the most hapless - and probably criminal -president in our lifetime.


............and you can't make this stuff up.  bill Maher was correct, there is a lot of material left. 

p.s. Wayne Brady bout to kick bill maher's sorry ass

billy keep running off at the mouth

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Obama is the most hapless - and probably criminal -president in our lifetime.


ForeverInBlue - Sorry, but I think it's just the opposite.  This President may go down as one of the most successful ever.  During a time when hundreds of thousands of workers were losing their jobs monthly, he took quick steps to stop the bleeding and his policies now add jobs each and every month.  His economic steps stabilized the markets and helped many citizens recover the wealth they lost, and then some, in the crash of 2008.  Unemployment is down and he's working tirelessly to improve family incomes which have yet to significantly recover.  These are magnificent accomplishments considering the opposition is offering zero help whatsoever. 

Most of our children are now covered by health insurance and laws have made coverage unlimited so most folks no longer fear going broke due to a serious illnesses.  Our gay citizens have been given a right to serve openly and are on their way to a right to marry.  Our young men and women are coming home from wars and, just as importantly, this President gives long and serious thought to our problems overseas; taking intelligent steps to avoid sending our kids into yet another war and improving our image throughout the world by putting an end to torture.  Despite all the constant but inconsistent nagging from the Right, we gotta do more in Syria, we're leading from behind in Libya, stop the drones, use the drones, where's the red line, apologist accusations, criticisms of weakness, etc., etc., this President's complete understanding that intervention must be a very last resort is refreshing, to say the least.

The distance we've come from 2008 to today is vast.  If we change the makeup of political power come 2016, you can likely kiss all these gains away.  I simply can't imagine an electorate looking to revert back to the problems of old.


PS:  Each time somebody feels a need to once again call this President the worst ever, I feel it's appropriate to let the readers know many millions disagree.
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Obama will go down as the most successful president ever when Tiger woods goes down as the most loyal husband, Shaq goes down as the best free thrower in NBA, and Charlie sheen and Lindsay Lohan go down as role models.
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In an attempt to manage a deluge of tax-exempt applications, an IRS unit in Cincinnati first starts to search out applications from groups with political-sounding names, including those with "Tea Party" in their name, according to the Treasury Inspector General for Tax Administration. Those applications would be forwarded to specialists for additional scrutiny.

"Additional Scrutiny"
Of the 300 groups with "Tea Party" or "Patriots" in their name only 75 of them were actual tea party or right wing groups and the other 225 were not. I want to hear what happened to all of them...including the other 225.

We have many groups right, left, and middle that claim to be "social welfare" organization in order to get tax exempt status while their main purpose is political.
They spend 49% of their money supporting their political beliefs (supposed to spend a minimal amount on politics so  most interpret this as less than half to skate the rules).
Now the question....did any of the 75 groups targeted for additional scrutiny get turned down for tax exempt status? If so did they gripe to fox and other right media and make it public that they were required to show their web pages, facebook etc. and those sources could not show the group's primary function as political?
Were any of the other 225 that were not tea party or conservative aligned denied tax exempt status? They jumped thru same hoops so at least 1 of them would have complained it seems.

I have read that these groups were targeted for additional scrutiny based on their politics but I did not read or see anywhere that any of these groups (the 75 of the other 225) was turned down for tax exempt status. Can someone post the groups who were turned down by this.

It was a dick move for the IRS but unless a legitimate social welfare group was turned down nothing will occur based on the additional scrutiny except to make sure no buzz words are used to target groups in future. At the very least this is a distraction for the IRS and they get a handslap. At the most Congress with not pass the pending legislature to give the IRS more power over advocacy or political groups. Personally I do not think any "political" based group should get tax exempt status. Wait until 2014 when candidates are announced and a zillion groups will pop up right, left, and middle as social welfare groups to get tax exempt status while they fund their politics. The mainstream media is liberal...that is never changing nomatter how many times people complain about it because it is not governed...so see how many liberal groups pop up with tax exempt status and occupy type groups also applying and the media embraces them. The left will flood us with social welfare groups and wacky groups for every single liberal cause. Get ready for the pre-2016 circus.


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LMUfan - I hope your daughter's case is the exception and not the rule.  I'm seeing no major increases in my company's costs or my wife's charges.  In any case, another person I know will soon see preventive care made available to his family which is potentially much more critical than some premium costs facing your daughter.  You're a decision maker and certainly know decisions are not generally accepted favorably by all those involved.
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LMUfan - Methinks you're accountable to someone for the decisions you make at work but no need for me to belabor the point.  I simply noted all choices in life may effect some people in a negative way.
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There's a ton of pressure on IRS to investigate non profits for being too political.  This is how Sen. Hatch said it...

Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah—the top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, which oversees the IRS—said Wednesday: "Politics should never play a role in the IRS's decision-making process. Unfortunately, this agency has come under increased pressure to do just that. That should not be allowed to happen. It undermines the agency and its mission."

Here's a GOP group in NC asking the IRS to investigate a non-profit.

Senator Schumer has his opinion.

Republicans express their opinion.


There is a lot of pressure on the IRS workers to determine who is properly operating as a non profit.  Not an excuse...just pointing out difficult their job can be.  We also ask that Supreme Court decisions not be made on a political basis and many of us will disagree on how much success we've had there.  In any event, for the IRS to come out publicly with an admission of wrongdoing, these folks must have set their guidelines a bit too extreme politically.
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Shorter Obama from 6pm: "I'm angry and this isn't right and we will figure it out. And oh yeah, we fired that interim director guy."

Pretty much the standard Obama response to crisis.

Shorter Holder:

"It wasn't me. That wasn't me either. Nope, not me."

and then this winner

"I recused myself. I have no idea when. But I did it. Honest."
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Our President who should be impeached, IMO, said this:

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Americans are right to be angry about it and I am angry about it


  
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That guy Obama canned for the IRS lawbreaking?

Sent out an email that his job was over next month anyway.

In other news...

the corrupt IRS is responsible for enforcing Obamacare. Umm, no. NO!
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Why is it that illegal immigrants and the Obama administration don't have to follow the laws of America and we do?

I really do believe the impeachment of Obama has a chance of happening.....
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So, do any of these agency heads get charged with perjury for blatantly lying to Congress?  Do any mid-level people actually get charged with any crimes?

Is there any real accountability?

And, I know this set off some folks here, but does anyone buy the President's faux-outrage?
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President Obama should have banged his shoe on the podium, before stating how outraged He was over political opponents being targeted by the IRS. Really, this guy is no longer a real President, he is just a mouth piece. What a blatant and embarrassing President, and administration we have on display for all the world to not only see, but openly mock. Our nation's clout is gone. We are just a nation of moochers, with no backbone, and a dysfunctional Banana Republic style government. I expect better of my country's leadership. Why has it come to this? Embarrassing. Eric Holder should resign, and a special council be placed in charge of an investigation that would seek an Impeachment of President Obama. It has sadly come to this. I would have only hoped that the Obama administration could have just served out it's lame duck term with little fan fare, and little impact on our nation, but they have set themselves far apart from previous administrations.
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I really do believe the impeachment of Obama has a chance of happening.....
 
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So, do any of these agency heads get charged with perjury for blatantly lying to Congress?  Do any mid-level people actually get charged with any crimes?

Is there any real accountability?



I think there is hope here also, if he escapes all the scrapes he is in now then he will take over title of all time Teflon President.  I think obama will eventually be just as glad as us when his 2nd term is over.  I believe congress goes home for break in a couple of weeks, I called my congressman today and thanked him for his support of H.B. 36 to assign a special committee on Benghazi.  If any of you haven't, call them tomorrow and encourage them or thank them for supporting the bill.  A super majority is needed to pass the bill on a Benghazi special investigation. 

I also called Ted Poe's office today and asked him to please consider supporting H.B. 36, he is on the House foreign affairs committee and he thinks he will find answers through his committee.  I made sure to remind him to nail Hillary and don't let her get, irrational, hormonal or overall mouthy when she gets to them.  Handle your business and let's drive the nail in the coffin

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Mr. Poe, a former judge from Harris County Texas, does not take lip from those deposed, and standing before him. I cannot imagine he would entertain a charade, or kangaroo proceedings the Administration is supoened to attend, nor any willful impedance of facts from the AG's office. It would be terminal for Eric Holder, and likely set off a domino effect, with the last domino slamming into the oval office. Dems would  be well advised to avoid this path at all cost. Even if it means knocking off not just low level people out of their jobs, but even appointees of the administration. Believe me, it is the better option, with 3 years left in the administrations "reign". 2014 is going to be absolutely brutal for the Dem machine, and hopefully the RNC as well.
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And, I know this set off some folks here, but does anyone buy the President's faux-outrage?


I do.  In fact, I think he's ten times more furious than he's showing.  Probably wants to know what fool instructed these IRS workers to profile non-profit applications, using these various terms, thus giving the Right this ammunition.

What I did find as totally fake and hyped up outrage was the talk radio folks today.  Really really out there.  Listened to Medved and Hewitt and you would have sworn Obama said "you didn't build that" again.  They've gone bonkers.  But they still have nothing, imo.

We've got two inter-agencies putting together talking points for Congress and they can't come together on the use of the terms "Al Quada" or "demonstrations due to a video" in their preliminary analysis of the Benghazi attack.  You would have thought all he// broke loose when the Right read them, because there wasn't 100% agreement, and it was simply talking points to share information with Congress and the American people.  Once all the facts were in a few days later, new talking clarifications were released.  It was still September and, as many have said, there is no there there.

Next we get some IRS workers, who are being pressured to make certain non-profits aren't being dished out to political operations, taking inappropriate steps to do their job.  On top of this, we have some numb-skull, heading up the IRS and appointed by President Bush, totally ignorant of what is going on in his agency.  More ammo for the talk radio hosts to run wild with despite Obama having nothing to do with any of this.

Lastly, you have the Justice Department investigating one of the greatest National Security leaks in recent years.  After a leak involving a serious event in Yemen, outraged Republicans take to the microphone and basically ask if the President has the guts to get to the bottom of this serious leak or if his promise to fully investigate is just talk?  Next thing you know, a US attorney is given the case and may or may not have overstepped his bounds getting to the bottom of the leak.  Again, the Right takes this opportunity to suggest the President must be blamed, despite the fact an independent arm of Government is fully behind, and responsible for, the investigation.

In the end, what the Right has is three non-events, as it relates to wrongdoing by the President, and one lucky coincidence to have three news stories placed in their lap simultaneously.  Impeach, impeach, impeach?  Give me a break.  One day the Right mocks what they call low information voters and the next day they do all they can to exploit them into believing fantasy.  The truth is President Obama has done nothing wrong and I have to believe, despite the unfortunate news cycle timing, trying to make something of nothing will ultimately fail.


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Shorter Dewey - Obama did nothing wrong
Shorter America - lulz
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There has been only 1 time in modern history that I can recall an American president publically showing anger at something----

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman"

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Conservative Republican political types are making political propaganda hay while the sun shines, but we must remember what Harry Truman said, "The Buck Stops Here".  I would imagine that any President would be furious at his underlings and agencies that screw things up during his administration.      Frank


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Phoenix - Nice try with a heavy political bias trying to connect these two Democrats and leaving out every Republican scandal.  Actually, if you were POTUS Clinton and in his boots, the reaction naturally would be fear, not anger.  Mr. Clinton was simply taking the lawyer's way out (if you can't dazzle em with data, baffle em with BS) and quibbling about the definition of sex.  It backfired big time.  However, let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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In fact, I think he's ten times more furious than he's showing.  Probably wants to know what fool instructed these IRS workers to profile non-profit applications, using these various terms, thus giving the Right this ammunition.

Maybe he needs to look in the mirror. The only reason he would be mad is that he got caught. All these recent events must have his Teflon coated head shaking in disbelief.

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I was going to ask yesterday, what happens after all the mud is thrown and, in the end, nothing sticks because nothing is there?  What happens then?  Well, that's when the Right moves to the next phase of critiques and brings out the word "teflon".  Spazsdad just beat me to it.

By the way, I just heard there were some murders in Chicago today.  Probably Obama's fault again.

You know, this reminds me of when I first became very political.  It was shortly after I voted for Clinton and he won.  The Right threw everything at him during the election, bad land deals, womanizing, and other accusations I have long since forgotten.  But, rightly or wrongly, I understood this was to be expected.  However, once he won, the attacks didn't stop.  All through his Administration, everything was done to drive him out of office, including an accusation of murder, not unlike some of what we see these days.  I grew very weary of this ongoing attempt to negate my vote.  By the end of his term, President Clinton could probably have done anything short of murder and I would have come to his side in support and against the GOP impeaching him.  I was that angry and, as you can tell, I've never completely forgotten.  When someone falsely accuses a family member, a friend, or your Representative dozens of times, you can't help but be enraged and defend this person with everything you have.  What's very hard to do, and something I could never do, is once the opposition finally hits on some accusation that may have some truth to it, is to give them kudos for finally getting one right and leaving the one you've supported out to dry.  In my opinion, the GOP hasn't got one right yet but soon, it wouldn't even matter.  Now watch your step, I see more mud on the floor.
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Which two democrats did I try to connect?
I simply stated that the only time in modern history I remember a president showing anger in public was Clinton vs the Monica allegations.
It was pointing out that presidents represent their country at all times and keep their tempers under control nomatter how they feel inside. It is normal for a president to not show anger publically.
Still no respect for president Clinton over that issue.

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Phoenix - Now you sound like Clinton. " I did not try to connect those two men except in that they each were angry".  Are you also a lawyer by chance??      Frank
PS - Admire your posts generally.   

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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