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ForeverInBlue

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Some conservative groups have complained about being subjected to onerous IRS demands. Liberals of course derided such claims.

Except now, the IRS itself says those conservative were right. Yes folks, the IRS has admitted that they unfairly went after conservatives.

Expect to hear more about this.

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/05/10/conservatives-have-themselves-a-real-scandal-on-their-hands/
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Just another example of the thugocracy the govt has become.  Perfect example of why TEA party exists and how govt can kill peoples lives.  Less govt, less middle class killing.
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Whaaaaaa!
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I was looking forward to masare's insightful post of this topic.  thanks for coming through.
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If this were a private organization, an admission of wrongdoing would be highly unlikely, (did you see the "angel of death" interview on 60 minutes?)  Kudos to the IRS for discovering these rogue employees.
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Now let's see if they do anything about it. 
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Yes I am sure it was just a couple low level employees acting with no direction or instruction . Anybody want to buy a bridge?
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Anybody want to buy a bridge?


Yeah, me.  As many times as I've heard somebody cry "wolf", I'm hesitant to touch a foot on the ground.
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Maybe it's because the wolf is the one guarding the chicken house. Hard to get any answers when the supposed investigative journalists are in bed with those they should be investigating
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I was looking forward to masare's insightful post of this topic.  thanks for coming through.


sometimes dewey and masare remind me of Colonel Clink with his trusted com padre, John Banner as Schultz


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Oopsie, looks like another lie is unraveling already

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-irs-knew-tea-party-targeted-2011-190852283.html

Senior Internal Revenue Service officials knew agents were targeting tea party groups as early as 2011, according to a draft of an inspector general's report obtained by The Associated Press that seemingly contradicts public statements by the IRS commissioner

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---The wheels on the truck go round and round, round and round, round and round--------------
This is not isolated and has happened alot to far right and far left groups. Nothing happened to tea party before 2008 because they did not form until Obama was elected president.
I respect my tea party friends and their beliefs but government was corrupt before Obama and will be afterwards. He took a bad economy and made it worse.
He took broken government and added more cracks to it. But none of the things happening are unique. Nor is criticsm. Bush got it as much as Obama does now. Libs were riding Bush daily.

...............................Here is one below

The Internal Revenue Service apologized Friday for what it acknowledged was “inappropriate” targeting of liberal political groups during the 2004 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status.

IRS agents singled out dozens of organizations for additional reviews because they included the words “Democratic” or “freedom” or “rights” in their exemption applications, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups. In some cases, groups were asked for lists of donors, which violates IRS policy in most cases, she said.

The agency — led at the time by a Clinton administration appointee — blamed low-level employees, saying no high-level officials were aware. But that wasn’t good enough for Democrats in Congress, who are conducting several investigations and asked for more.

Lerner acknowledged it was wrong for the agency to target groups based on political affiliation.

“That was absolutely incorrect, it was insensitive and it was inappropriate. That’s not how we go about selecting cases for further review,” Lerner said at a conference sponsored by the American Bar Association.

“The IRS would like to apologize for that,” she added.

Lerner said the practice was initiated by low-level workers in Cincinnati and was not motivated by political bias. Agency officials found out about the practice last year and moved to correct it, the IRS said in a statement. The statement did not specify when officials found out.

About 75 groups were inappropriately targeted. None had their tax-exempt status revoked, Lerner said.

Many liberal groups complained during the 2004 campaign that they were being harassed by the IRS. They accused the agency of frustrating their attempts to become tax exempt by sending them lengthy, intrusive questionnaires.

The forms, which the groups have made available, sought information about group members’ political activities, including details of their postings on social networking websites and about family members.

IRS Commissioner Douglas Shulman told Congress in March 2012 that the IRS was not targeting groups based on politics.

“There’s absolutely no targeting. This is the kind of back and forth that happens to people” who apply for tax-exempt status, Shulman told a House Ways and Means subcommittee.

The IRS said senior leaders were not aware that specific groups were being targeted at the time of the hearing.

“While we acknowledged centralization of these applications last year, the IRS did not acknowledge the use of names as part of the process earlier because the details were not initially known to senior leadership and (the inspector general) has been reviewing the situation,” the IRS said in a statement. “Their work is now far enough along that it was appropriate to address the issue when it came up during (Friday’s) tax conference.”


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It would be nice if you would note the source of the articles you post.
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Nor is criticism. Bush got it as much as Obama does now. Libs were riding Bush daily.



Not with regards to this softball forum is this statement true.  With one minor exception, President Bush never got it here at UCS when he was leading this Country.  In my personal experience, never did the number of anti-Bush emails, floating around in those days, come anywhere close to the number of anti-Obama emails I received in the first four plus years.  I don't remember any emails wailing against George Bush but that was long ago and I may have forgotten some.

There are members in this forum who write negatively regarding this President and Democrats.  There are members in this forum who write negatively regarding Republicans and our former President.  Is it close to being equal?  Not at all.  SBmom likes to say both sides do it but Democrats take it to an extreme.  I would beg to differ and will use this forum and my inbox as evidence the Right has taken this to a much higher level, particularly with this President.  Just my opinion disputing the above assumption.

Happy Mother's Day to all the wonderful moms here in UCS.

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The difference is with Bush it was the media 24/7 criticizing him. Remember the daily body counts that led every newscast? How about complaining about how Bush's friends in the oil industry were getting rich when gas was $2/gallon? Or how bad the economy was with 5% UE and continuous economic growth? Maybe you just didn't notice it since you agreed with them.
With Obama it is the individual's doing the criticizing.

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During president Bush's 8 years economy sucked and the left complained of government spending and too much government control. Everything continued to get worse.
Bush was attacked around the clock. In films, tv, songs, media, news, etc...and every tragedy was blamed on how poorly he ran things. Media was relentless. Far right was defending daily and justifying government spending etc. Far left groups were created and most disappeared after Obama was elected.

Now with president Obama the economy continues to suck and right complains of government spending and too much government control. Everything continued to get worse.
The only change was the party in control of the white house, Nothing else changed. Things continued to spiral out of control.
Tea party was created after Obama was elected and before he was in office. Wil lthey disappear after a republican is in office and if not will they continue to attack the republican present and admin the same way they did Obama. If Hispanic will they ask 101 times for birth certificate and when shown will they doubt it and donald trump doubt it too? Will his/her religion be discussed 101 times and will people say "we want out country back". And will we have 101 conspiracy theories about them being born in cuba or mexico and their dad was friends with castro or their great great grandfather fought against the Texans at the Alamo.

But back on point---the left was just as vicious as the right. The only difference is our current social media and communications allows us to hear and see more of the trash politics and anyone with a smartphone or pc can make make their displeasure public and repost what others have said. Just like sports we think of everything happening now as the greatest....but Bush was shredded around the clock. No more or less than now. Both sides will take a topic of attack and keep it going, microwave it, serve it again and again. It will get worse. Wait until the next republican is elected and see how the left attacks them non-stop and new groupswill be formed to attack that administration and say they represent "the people". Sorry...but the left is just as vicious as the right and has and will be relentless on a republican president.


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The IRS targeted groups to help Obama win the election.  This directly effects grass roots efforts and money.  Nothing like this went on with Bush.  Fhoenix your constant saying of both sides do it is very inaccurate.  Trust me, if anything like this went on when Bush was in office it would have been headlines forever.  Needless to say he never would have won reelection.  Interesting how cinncinati is an epicenter when ohio was a very pivital state in election.
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The curious case of Frank Vandersloot, a Romney backer attacked by the Obama campaign, who was subsequently audited by the IRS, and also investigated by the Labor Department.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/13/flashback-romney-donor-vilified-by-obama-campaign-then-subjected-to-2-audits/

How far-reaching is the abuse under the Obama administration?
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The Hillary administration will be just as bad...I was gonna say worse, but, it may not get any worse than Obama....
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Let's not forget Gibson Guitars have been singled out.

fhoenix, I saw a request for your source and saw a reply but did not see one.  Please cite your source.  Thanks in advance. 
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The head of the IRS at the time of the mischief was a Bush appointee.  Maybe he was trying to embarrass this Administration.  How else do you explain this behavior? 
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The difference is with Bush it was the media 24/7 criticizing him. With Obama it is the individual's doing the criticizing.


spazsdad - You do have a point here.  Radio, Cable TV, TV, and print will always do their thing but it does seem to be more of an individual thing with regards to this President.  It's odd, particularly when you realize 2/3 of individuals did not approve of President Bush while over 50% of individuals approve of President Obama.  I would think the former President would have been butchered in forums like ours, emails, and the like far more than President Obama.  One has to wonder why this President and why beginning with week one?
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"He has through his subordinates and agents endeavored to cause in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner." Section 1, Article 2, the Impeachment Articles of Richard Nixon.
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The head of the IRS at the time of the mischief was a Bush appointee.  Maybe he was trying to embarrass this Administration.  How else do you explain this behavior? 


And Bush went the other direction - looking out for his friends.....

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/23/business/23tax.html?_r=0

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LMUfan - Thanks for the correction.  However, the point remains.  Why would a President, with generally higher approval ratings, be a greater target for criticism from everyday citizens than our last President with his lower ratings?  How did this President so anger a softball community, or so enrage individuals into sending out many anti-Obama emails, when compared to Presidents of past?  I agree with spazsdad's conclusion about the emphasis on "individuals" taking a greater role in the bashing and I'm curious as to why anyone might feel this isn't unusual? 
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He enraged us because he is nothing like us, he does not represent the people, he separates people.  We speak up because we have a much stronger hatred for him than your side did for Bush.  We speak up because we have the balls that the libtards don't have.  People that hate him on this forum have the balls to criticize him because he is doing such a poor job.  I speak out just as loudly  against him in my daily life as I do on this forum, so I am not a keyboard bully; I walk the walk and I walk the talk as they say.  I hate the man for what he represents.  Did I say I despise the man and not afraid to tell the world?  I can't stomach liars and that's what he is and anyone that defends him is a POS also.

The low information voters were too stupid to know what was happening during the Bush presidency.  Why do you keep asking why the left loons were too stupid to speak up against that which they opposed?  Why not ask the lefty loons why they didn't speak up?  How in the hell do we know why they didn't speak up?  Why did you wait until he was out of office to speak out against Bush?  We are not spokespeople for the left.

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LMUfan - Thanks for the reply.  Sounds like you disagree with spazsdad saying more individual criticism is taking place and that you believe I only sense more because of my keen ears.  Interesting observation.  In any event, I tend to think we might have sensed a whole lot of people right out of this forum.  Secondly, I'd advise you to turn on your radio and find a totally different perspective.  Finally, if I could share some of the denigrating emails I've been forwarded through the years, you might think differently.  Admittedly, I didn't get as many as most people because I nipped it in the bud when folks sent me unsolicited political opinions.  I despise the practice of sending, or posting on social media, negative, denigrating, and uninvited political opinions.
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LMUfan - Thanks.  Knowing your limited experiences, politically speaking and as they compare to mine, I doubt you'd ever fully understand my thought process as it relates to my desire to share an alternative perspective to these many comments made by my friends of a more Conservative nature.  But your experiences likely do illustrate that if I turned off the radio and stopped reading inside here, the desire to express my perspective would likely dissipate.
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The head of the IRS at the time of the mischief was a Bush appointee.  Maybe he was trying to embarrass this Administration.  How else do you explain this behavior? 


You know how I know libtards are libtards?  They blame GW for the IRS mission of targeting conservative, limited government, tea party and patriot groups. 

That's how I know a libtard is a libtard, supreme libtard, DEWEY.

Next, he will be blaming GW for the murdered 4 Americans in Benghazi and then he will spin how GW is responsible for killing 1,600 unborn babies a day in this country.  Keep kissing the libtards ass and someday we will be a nation of libtards

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"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Dewey your limitless excuses for this administrationare laughable.  I think even if you got slapped in the face by this admin you would still kiss their @$$.  Truly laughable.
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