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B10IS1, I have no idea if Obama said that...I do know he does it, though!
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Lois Lerner, who refused to answer questions before Congress yesterday, today was placed on "administrative leave" by the IRS.

How much you want to bet they will continue paying her? since she is doing such an outstanding job.

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Lois Lerner, who refused to answer questions before Congress yesterday, today was placed on "administrative leave" by the IRS.

How much you want to bet they will continue paying her? since she is doing such an outstanding job.


ADD: Lerner said she was not involved in the targeting of Conservtive groups.

Except that now, surprise surprise, there are a stack of letters she sent out that say otherwise.

Another administration lie uncovered. Who is in charge around here, anyway?

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/349212

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How widespread is the administrations abuse of power?

Read this about the raid on Gibson Guitar in 2011.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/052313-657569-gibson-guitar-raid-like-tea-party-intimidation.htm

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How widespread is the administrations abuse of power? Read this about the raid on Gibson Guitar in 2011. http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/052313-657569-gibson-guitar-raid-like-tea-party-intimidation.htm

piece by piece the truth comes out and the roaches run from the bright light
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The unmentioned fact about the IRS targeting scandal is in itself. As a government agency, the IRS holds ALL it's records. If a request was made to investigate a particular group, or an individual, there is an electronic paper trail. Going after a Tea Party group? There was an authorization, and a go ahead order issued. This just didn't happen out of the blue during an election year, and being it is a Federal agency, their is a direct "paper trail", emails giving absolute directives on how to proceed with the investigation. Orders WERE given to attack conservative groups. The only question, is who gave those orders. Care to wager where the orders came from?  I will state again and in BOLD PRINT. This is the government, and the Obama administration,  and there is an electronic paper trail being eliminated as we post.
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woody - The directive was to find political groups, not Conservative groups.  Tea Party was just an easy catch and included in the directive.  In any event, thousands and thousands work at the IRS.  Where's the guy/gal to support your accusations who's willing to come forward and hang this Administration out to dry?  Maybe I'm wrong and they're almost here.  We'll see.  Who knows, maybe you guys are wrong.  What are the chances?
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If you were in charge, and a scandal was unraveling, and had numerous meetings with the White house Chief of Staff, maybe you would be taking the 5th as well. Care to defend? Was it all just a big misunderstanding? I am sure this is nothing, and should just be ignored as Republican attacks. Please Dewey, your folks pants are down around their anlkes in front of the alter boy. Please deny the obvious.
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The unmentioned fact about the IRS targeting scandal is in itself. As a government agency, the IRS holds ALL it's records. If a request was made to investigate a particular group, or an individual, there is an electronic paper trail. Going after a Tea Party group? There was an authorization, and a go ahead order issued. This just didn't happen out of the blue during an election year, and being it is a Federal agency, their is a direct "paper trail", emails giving absolute directives on how to proceed with the investigation. Orders WERE given to attack conservative groups. The only question, is who gave those orders. Care to wager where the orders came from?  I will state again and in BOLD PRINT. This is the government, and the Obama administration,  and there is an electronic paper trail being eliminated as we post.


The investigation is just getting started. It went from 2 rogues in Cincinatti to the White House in the blink of an eye.

Tick tock
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Many of these groups have now asked for clarification as to why they were audited and if there is a political link to those audits. 

Dewey, I once thought you took a sip of the Kool-Aid.  I didn't realize you drank gallons. 


CoachB25 - Good to hear from you.  No, I don't drink the koolaid but we'll share another drink someday.  I tend to leave the koolaid to those who follow pundits/talk radio hosts/etc.,  and accuse others of wrong-doing without evidence.  Hope you aren't one of them.   To answer your question, yes, there was a political link to the audits.  Political organizations were supposed to be reviewed to determine if they were deserving of non-profit status.  It appears somebody took a shortcut.
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More proof Obama is up to his neck in it and has been using these tactis since before his election to anyone that gets in his way.

http://www.bit.ly/14H4c9E


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Great article susan. Flames are building like one of those California wildfires
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"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Susan's quoting Brietbart is like a liberal quoting Michael Moore and calling the material "facts".  
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Susan's quoting Brietbart is like a liberal quoting Michael Moore and calling the material "facts".  
JG- You might be right if quoting an opinion article by Brietbart, but in this case they were linking a WSJ article.
Problem is that us conservatives have only a few options [FNC, Brietbart, WSJ ] to go to for some reporting. If I left it up to the other's I'd pretty much be uninformed.
Of course, now that the press finds out that they are being watched.....well they don't like it.
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Susan's quoting Brietbart is like a liberal quoting Michael Moore and calling the material "facts".  
yeah and like dewey quoting vanity fair this week

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"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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The reason the Obama gangsters think these intimidating attacks are okay is that's how they've always done things. While it may be normal in the cesspool of Chicago, attacking the Constitution on a national scale is a different animal altogether. As they are learning the hard way.
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http://cfif.org/v/index.php/commentary?c=1459

Cartoon might not be so funny. To date the IRS which is charged with implementing a good part of Obamacare has so far opened 8 offices & hired 2137 agents for the job.
Hope you are treated fairly if an invasive exam of your records are done.

I told my docs, dentist & hospital that I was a Democrat.
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T -  I can find plenty of conservative writers.  My favorite is George Will.  My problem is when I begin to run into reactionary writers with far right ideas.  I have the same problem, easily finding liberal writers but being turned off by radical writers.                    

I once had a brilliant prof who explained that reactionaries and radicals are much like each other because their tactics and mentalities are very much the same.  He also insisted that an illustration of political relationships should not be a straight line illustration showing far right and far left as being extremes separated from one another, but rather a circle with moderate at the top and extending both  to left and right until they converge at the bottom where the ideas of radicals and reactionaries reside.   Interesting !!  Media, especially editorial sensationalist media today has become the sounding board of extremists though - it's what sells !!!    Frank

PS - I think it unfortunate that so many people are still adhering to the "straight line" illustration of politics (thus creation of "hated libs" and " right wing whackos" - and little in between -  on far extremes of the straight line illustration).   This creates a view of wide differences, rather than a perspective of samenesses and differences but with potential of various degrees of understanding of both.  I think that the Pope's statement that even atheists who live a good life will be saved is the type of compromise that we need.

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T -  I can find plenty of conservative writers.  My favorite is George Will.  My problem is when I begin to run into reactionary writers with far right ideas.  I have the same problem, easily finding liberal writers but being turned off by radical writers.                    

I once had a brilliant prof who explained that reactionaries and radicals are much like each other because their tactics and mentalities are very much the same.  He also insisted that an illustration of political relationships should not be a straight line showing far right and far left as being extremes separated from one another, but rather a circle with moderate at the top and extending both  to left and right until they converge at the bottom where the ideas of radicals and reactionaries reside.   Interesting !!  Media, especially editorial sensationalist media today has become the sounding board of extremists though - it's what sells !!!    Frank

PS - I think it unfortunate that so many people are still adhering to the "straight line" illustration of politics (thus creation of "hated libs" and " right wing whackos" on far extremes of the straight line illustration).   This creates a view of wide differences, rather than a perspective of samenesses and differences but with potential of various degrees of understanding of both.     
Well said
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Susan's quoting Brietbart is like a liberal quoting Michael Moore and calling the material "facts".  
JG- You might be right if quoting an opinion article by Brietbart, but in this case they were linking a WSJ article.
Problem is that us conservatives have only a few options [FNC, Brietbart, WSJ ] to go to for some reporting. If I left it up to the other's I'd pretty much be uninformed.
Of course, now that the press finds out that they are being watched.....well they don't like it.


One would have to actually read the piece to know it originated in the WSJ. Easier to denigrate it on the surface for some, doesn't require thinking.

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Anyone interested in the form of IRS targeting, and when and how it changed, should take a look at his memo prepared by Cleta Mitchell, an attorney who works on tax exempt filings in Washington DC. It's a real eye opener.

http://www.actrightlegal.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/IRS-Targeting-of-Conservative-Groups-A-History-Overview-and-Status-Report.pdf


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Yahoo News - Somewhat lost in the furor over the disclosure is that very few liberal organizations appear to have been approved either. There is no evidence that groups with words like "progressive" or "Democratic" were targeted. But the numbers do suggest that the universe of nonprofit political organizations is small, and that liberal groups were not approved in droves while conservative ones were subject to endless bureaucratic rigmarole.

The IRS publishes a master database of all tax-exempt organizations, so it's possible to see how many groups with these words in their names were approved each month. As the Washington Post demonstrated on Wednesday, there was not a single organization with "tea party" in the name approved in 2011. In 2012, 26 groups were approved.

According to the IRS database, there were 1,017 "social welfare organizations" approved for tax-exempt status in 2012. In IRS-speak, that's a 501c(4) organization of classification type 3. Donations to such groups are not tax-deductable, and they are often not required to disclose donors.

Of those, 28 have the words "tea party" or "patriots" in their name. Only seven have the word "progress": Louisiana Progress Action Fund Inc., Progress Missouri, Progress Texas, Progressive Leadership Alliance of Nevada Action Fund, Progressive USA, Progressives United Inc., Progressnow. There are no matches for "liberal" or "Democrat." The complete list is at the end of this post.

Limiting the search to social welfare organizations is not the only way to compare liberal and conservative organizations. The Washington Post found that there were 30 groups with "progressive" in their name approved in 2012 by filtering all IRS records by the National Taxonomy of Exempt Entities code, which classifies nonprofits into sectors like "civil rights, social action, advocacy" and "community improvement, capacity building," among many others. This is arguably a more comprehensive approach than limiting the data to 501(c)4(3) organizations, but it also is more likely to include groups that are not explicitly politically oriented.

Even by this more permissive metric, progressive organizations did not appear to receive special treatment compared to conservative ones, judging only by the numbers of organizations that were approved. That does not absolve the IRS from clearly inappropriate behavior. Nor does it suggest that the other side of the aisle had a massive advantage due to the violation.

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I feel bad for Dewey, being trapped inside that dark cave of liberal talking points and propaganda put out by media matters types. Like a little Doughboy in the trenches filled with poisonous gases, fighting the hopeless fight even after the generals have conceded the battle. Poor guy.

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Fib read an article this morning about the people who started True the vote and how they personally and business wise have not only been harassed by IRS, but the FBI, and ATF since I think 2009 when they filed for tax exempt status for True the vote which is non partisan and just trying to clean up voter rolls (dems dont want those dead people to disappear so they cant vote for them).  So they not only screw the organization and its abilities to function, they tie up personal and business monies and increase costs to the people, business and organization as well.  Obama and his cronies are using every level of govt to empower themselves.  Nice little tyranical admin here.
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FIB - Don't feel too bad.  The facts are important enough to put out there.  Here are more facts:

Fact - IRS was targeting political groups to determine tax exempt worthiness.
Opinion - IRS was targeting groups because they were Conservative.

Fact - No organization was denied tax exempt status but many remain pending.
Opinion - The fact 26 organizations with the term "Tea Party" were given tax exempt status in 2012 is no proof Conservative was not part of the targeting policy.

Fact - Organizations being formed for political purposes are supposed to be reviewed and potentially denied tax exempt status if they are primarily political in nature.  IG report says targets were not ideological in nature.
Opinion - IG report is wrong and contrary to our story suggesting this process was ideological.

Fact - Investigation notes White House Counsel and Chief of Staff learned of pending IG report on April 24 and kept the information from the President.
Opinion - The President was told of report on April 24th but we have no idea, or motive, as to why he would deny having such knowledge.

Fact - Not one IRS employee among the tens or hundreds of thousands has come forward to blow the whistle on higher ups for putting this profile policy into place.
Opinion - There must me no Conservatives among this large Government department and it is not our obligation to use logic to explain this fact away.

Fact - This President remains an ongoing target by his political opposition.
Opinion - This President must have been involved in some deliberate wrongdoing, somewhere, sometime, and we must keep digging to find it.



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Only digging that will be done will be digging through the rubble of the coverup(s) for the truth. The truth will prevail, it always does. The washington way just takes time to surface
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"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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The Washington Examiner reported on Monday that Mark Everson, Commissioner of Internal Revenue from 2003 to 2007, during the Bush administration, visited the White House exactly 'once' while in office.
But Douglas Shulman, Commissioner from 2008 to 2012, during the Obama administration, visited the White House '118 times' just in 2010 and 2011."

118 visits in 2 years?

There is a very practical reason for these 'visits'--to avoid any documentation (subpoenaed e-mails, surreptitious recording of phone calls) of any 'sensitive' discussions. It's quite like the method the Mafia adopted--when 'classified' matters needed to be resolved they would meet outdoors or in cars to evade surveillance--it's as simple as that.


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I feel bad for Dewey, being trapped inside that dark cave of liberal talking points and propaganda put out by media matters types. Like a little Doughboy in the trenches filled with poisonous gases, fighting the hopeless fight even after the generals have conceded the battle. Poor guy.


FIB OMG that is just how I feel when I read the stuff written by you and your friends here on MISC....hmmm!
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Masare - giving credit where it's due - that was a good one.
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It is going to be really interesting to see where Jay Sekulow's lawsuit goes.  He was just on TV claiming that he has letters that go all the way to Washington on it.  Also, it's clear now that it was not contained to one office in Ohio - it was widespread.  Further, he claims that he has documentation of staff checking with supervisors to make sure they signed off on the investigations.

I don't know if all of his claims are true - we'll have to see how it plays out.  If so, however........
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