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Spot on FIB?

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/a-bushel-of-pinocchios-for-irss-lois-lerner/2013/05/19/771687d2-bfdd-11e2-9b09-1638acc3942e_blog.html

WaPo does a fact check on Lois Lerner, the IRS official in the middle of their illegal targeting of conservative groups.

She got 4 Pinnochios, and we know what that means. The truth lost out.

"In some ways this is just scratching the surface of Lerners misstatements and weasely wording..."

"Misstatements and weasely wording." Sounds like the Obama admin, the Weasels of Washington.

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Dem Sen Max Baucus, Obama's good buddy who practically wrote the Obamacare, wants answers on the IRS scandal. He says the "buck stops with the man at the top."


http://www.kaj18.com/news/baucus-wants-answers-to-irs-targeting-conservative-groups/#_

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Obama is in this up to his neck, but dewey will never admit.  so literaaly ten days after he took office in 2009 he meets with NTEU union boss and exec orders are done and boom they are off to the races in organizing to change things for increasing their power base and effecting elections thru any means they can, icluding but not limited to the IRS!
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Who are the real obstructionists now that we know obama sent the IRS after his opponents and any American citizen group he disagreed with?  dewey cries and cries about the obstructionists in Congress while turning a blind eye and making excuses for every crooked branch of and department of obama's government.  Yeah, and congress is the obstruction.  Now looking back, that is hilarious as hell.
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And some still question the need to bad mouth government unions!!  Dirty, dirty little secrets

Obama and the IRS: The Smoking Gun?

President met with anti-Tea Party IRS union chief the day before agency targeted Tea Party.

“For me, it’s about collaboration.” — National Treasury Employees Union President Colleen Kelley on the relationship between the anti-Tea Party IRS union and the Obama White House

 Is President Obama directly implicated in the IRS scandal?

Is the White House Visitors Log the trail to the smoking gun?

The stunning questions are raised by the following set of new facts.

March 31, 2010.

According to the White House Visitors Log, provided here in searchable form by U.S. News and World Report, the president of the anti-Tea Party National Treasury Employees Union, Colleen Kelley, visited the White House at 12:30pm that Wednesday noon time of March 31st.

The White House lists the IRS union leader’s visit this way:

Kelley, Colleen Potus 03/31/2010 12:30

In White House language, “POTUS” stands for “President of the United States.”

The very next day after her White House meeting with the President, according to the Treasury Department’s Inspector General’s Report, IRS employees — the same employees who belong to the NTEU — set to work in earnest targeting the Tea Party and conservative groups around America. The IG report wrote it up this way:

April 1-2, 2010: The new Acting Manager, Technical Unit, suggested the need for a Sensitive Case Report on the Tea Party cases. The Determinations Unit Program Manager Agreed.

In short: the very day after the president of the quite publicly anti-Tea Party labor union — the union for IRS employees — met with President Obama, the manager of the IRS “Determinations Unit Program agreed” to open a “Sensitive Case report on the Tea party cases.” As stated by the IG report.

The NTEU is the 150,000 member union that represents IRS employees along with 30 other separate government agencies. Kelley herself is a 14-year IRS veteran agent. The union’s PAC endorsed President Obama in both 2008 and 2012, and gave hundreds of thousands of dollars in the 2010 and 2012 election cycles to anti-Tea Party candidates.

Putting IRS employees in the position of actively financing anti-Tea Party candidates themselves, while in their official positions in the IRS blocking, auditing, or intimidating Tea Party and conservative groups around the country.

The IG report contained a timeline prepared by examining internal IRS e-mails. The IG report did not examine White House Visitor Logs, e-mails, or phone records relating to the relationship between the IRS union, the IRS, and the White House.

In fact, this record in the White House Visitors Log of a 12:30 Wednesday, March 31, 2010 meeting between President Obama and the IRS union’s Kelley was not unusual.

On yet another occasion, Kelley’s presence at the White House was followed shortly afterwards by the President issuing Executive Order 13522. A presidential directive that gave the anti-Tea Party NTEU — the IRS union — a greater role in the day-to-day operation of the IRS than it had already — which was considerable.

Kelley is recorded as visiting the White House over a year earlier, listed in this fashion:

Kelley, Colleen Potus/Flotus 12/03/2009 18:30

The inclusion of “FLOTUS” — First Lady Michelle Obama — and the 6:30 pm time of the December event on this entry in the Visitors Log indicates this was the White House Christmas Party held that evening and written up here in the Chicago Sun-Times. The Sun-Times focused on party guests from the President’s home state of Illinois and did not mention Kelley. Notably, the Illinois guests, who are reported to have attended the same party as Kelley, included what the paper described as four labor “activists”: Dennis Gannon of the Chicago Federation of Labor, Tom Balanoff of the Service Employees International Union, Henry Tamarin of UNITE, and Ron Powell of the United Food and Commercial Workers.

Six days following Kelley’s attendance at the White House Christmas party with labor activists like herself, the President issued Executive Order 13522 (text found here, with an explanation here). The Executive Order, titled: “Creating Labor-Management Forums To Improve Delivery of Government Services” applied across the federal government and included the IRS. The directive was designed to:

Allow employees and unions to have pre-decisional involvement in all workplace matters….

However else this December 2009 Executive Order can be described, the directive was a serious grant of authority within the IRS to the powerful anti-Tea Party union. A union that by this time already had the clout to determine the rules for IRS employees, right down to who would be allowed a Blackberry or what size office the employee was entitled to. The same union that would shortly be doling out serious 2010 (and later 2012) campaign contributions to anti-Tea Party candidates with money supplied from IRS employees. The union, as noted last week here in this space, already has the authority to decide all manner of IRS matters, right down to who does and does not get a Blackberry.

It is the same union whose IRS employee-members were being urged in 2012 by Senate Democrats (Chuck Schumer, Al Franken, Max Baucus, and others) to target Tea Party and other conservative groups.

Which, as the IG records, they did.

Both Mr. Obama and the NTEU’s Kelley have been by turns evasive and tight-lipped about their roles in the blossoming IRS scandal.

Kelley refused to open up to the Washington Post. In an article titled ”IRS, union mum on employees held accountable in ‘sin’ of political targeting,” the Post quoted the following:

“NTEU is working to get the facts but does not have any specifics at this time. Moreover, IRS employees are not permitted to discuss taxpayer cases. We cannot comment further at this time,” NTEU President Colleen M. Kelley said via e-mail.

A call to the NTEU office in Cincinnati resulted in a similar response: “We’ve been directed by national office. We have no comment.”

The President approached things in a more evasive manner.

In fact, this record in the White House Visitors Log of a 12:30 Wednesday, March 31, 2010 meeting between President Obama and the IRS union’s Kelley was not unusual.

On yet another occasion, Kelley’s presence at the White House was followed shortly afterwards by the President issuing Executive Order 13522. A presidential directive that gave the anti-Tea Party NTEU — the IRS union — a greater role in the day-to-day operation of the IRS than it had already — which was considerable.

Kelley is recorded as visiting the White House over a year earlier, listed in this fashion:

Kelley, Colleen Potus/Flotus 12/03/2009 18:30

The inclusion of “FLOTUS” — First Lady Michelle Obama — and the 6:30 pm time of the December event on this entry in the Visitors Log indicates this was the White House Christmas Party held that evening and written up here in the Chicago Sun-Times. The Sun-Times focused on party guests from the President’s home state of Illinois and did not mention Kelley. Notably, the Illinois guests, who are reported to have attended the same party as Kelley, included what the paper described as four labor “activists”: Dennis Gannon of the Chicago Federation of Labor, Tom Balanoff of the Service Employees International Union, Henry Tamarin of UNITE, and Ron Powell of the United Food and Commercial Workers.

Six days following Kelley’s attendance at the White House Christmas party with labor activists like herself, the President issued Executive Order 13522 (text found here, with an explanation here). The Executive Order, titled: “Creating Labor-Management Forums To Improve Delivery of Government Services” applied across the federal government and included the IRS. The directive was designed to:

Allow employees and unions to have pre-decisional involvement in all workplace matters….

However else this December 2009 Executive Order can be described, the directive was a serious grant of authority within the IRS to the powerful anti-Tea Party union. A union that by this time already had the clout to determine the rules for IRS employees, right down to who would be allowed a Blackberry or what size office the employee was entitled to. The same union that would shortly be doling out serious 2010 (and later 2012) campaign contributions to anti-Tea Party candidates with money supplied from IRS employees. The union, as noted last week here in this space, already has the authority to decide all manner of IRS matters, right down to who does and does not get a Blackberry.

It is the same union whose IRS employee-members were being urged in 2012 by Senate Democrats (Chuck Schumer, Al Franken, Max Baucus, and others) to target Tea Party and other conservative groups.

Which, as the IG records, they did.

Both Mr. Obama and the NTEU’s Kelley have been by turns evasive and tight-lipped about their roles in the blossoming IRS scandal.

Kelley refused to open up to the Washington Post. In an article titled ”IRS, union mum on employees held accountable in ‘sin’ of political targeting,” the Post quoted the following:

“NTEU is working to get the facts but does not have any specifics at this time. Moreover, IRS employees are not permitted to discuss taxpayer cases. We cannot comment further at this time,” NTEU President Colleen M. Kelley said via e-mail.

A call to the NTEU office in Cincinnati resulted in a similar response: “We’ve been directed by national office. We have no comment.”

The President approached things in a more evasive manner.

Read the rest of the cover-up here

 


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Last Thursday at the President’s press conference with the Turkish prime minister, Julianna Goldman of Bloomberg News asked the following question, bold print for emphasis: 

“Mr. President, I want to ask you about the IRS. Can you assure the American people that nobody in the White House knew about the agency’s actions before your Counsel’s Office found out on April 22nd? And when they did find out, do you think that you should have learned about it before you learned about it from news reports as you said last Friday? And also, are you opposed to there being a special counsel appointed to lead the Justice Department investigation?”

The President’s response? (Again bold print emphasis.)

“But let me make sure that I answer your specific question. I can assure you that I certainly did not know anything about the IG report before the IG report had been leaked through the press.”

Take note: Goldman’s question was:

“Can you assure the American people that nobody in the White House knew about the agency’s actions before your Counsel’s Office found out on April 22nd?”

The President evaded by answering:

“I can assure you that I certainly did not know anything about the IG report…..”

The question was not whether he knew about the IG report ahead of time. The question was whether he could “assure the American people that nobody in the White House knew about the agency’s actions.”

In response, the President ducked.

right on dewey, it's done on both sides but the clown has mastered the diversion

Pimp with a limp style

"It's a play on words to try and convince people the intentions of another."


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Here is a day by day account of how the IRS story keeps shifting in the White House. It's clear that obfuscation is their goal here, more of the "he said she said" dementia that is permeating the WH excuse-making machine these days.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/the-white-houses-shifting-irs-account-91638.html

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On March 30, 2010, Obama met personally with Colleen Kelley, the head of the union that represents IRS employees implicated in targeting conservative groups.

The next day, April 1, the IRS began targeting Tea Party organizations.

Is this a remarkable coincidence, or what? Lol

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/05/20/Obama-Met-With-IRS-Union-Boss-Day-Before-Tea-Party-Targeting-Began

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Valerie Jarret put everyone on notice during the run up to the election:

“After We Win This Election, It’s Our Turn. Payback Time. Everyone not with us is against us and they better be ready because we don’t forget. The ones who helped us will be rewarded, the ones who opposed us will get what they deserve.  There is going to be hell to pay.  Congress won’t be a problem for us this time.”

Nice to know people like her are advising Obama. Shines a light on some of the malfeasance he's involved in.


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It is entirely possible that these are all coincidences, as some folks contend.  If true, the timing is bad, and Obama is awfully unlucky.

Sure looks bad though.

It will be interesting to watch this all unfold.

FIB - is that a real quote from Jarret?  If so, then wow, just wow.

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Mikec - yes, and I missed the last line, perhaps the most frightening considering Obma's assault on the Bill of Rights:

"No election to worry about after this is over and we have two judges ready to go."

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FIB - is that a real quote from Jarret?  If so, then wow, just wow.



mikec - Ask for a link.  I understand it's speculative hearsay.  No way of knowing if it's true or not.  Of course, that makes the accusation easier.

Let's get this straight: an anonymous source supposedly within the Obama campaign supposedly overheard a representative from Jarrett's office make this statement and attributed it to Jarrett herself; it was then passed along to some pseudonymous source named "Wall Street Insider" who then forwarded it to The Ulsterman Report ... and it eventually ended up on Glenn Beck's radio program where the quote was treated as entirely legitimate and a sign that America deserves to be destroyed.
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Three people heArd the same thing from the same person at the same place at the same time. You can believe that, or you can believe the White House with their semantics, ever changing stories and endless excuses and finger pointing. Actually I can't find anywhere the WH has denied this.

The fact that Snopes *hasn't* debunked this anti-American rant by Valerie Jarrett speaks volumes as well, as you know they would if they could.

Bottom line is it fits neatly into Obama's multi-pronged, second term assault on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. And you know the liberals would love to see a Supreme Court Justice or two die so they could rewrite the fundamental laws that have guided America to greatness through so many generations prior to this treasonous administration.

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Actually I can't find anywhere the WH has denied this. The fact that Snopes *hasn't* debunked this anti-American rant by Valerie Jarrett speaks volumes as well, as you know they would if they could. 


I went to Snopes also and found nothing on their site, so I emailed them, waiting on a reply.  Found several links on the internet where the story had found some footing, this sounds like something the Iranian born rat would have said, I don't doubt it a bit.

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Lois Lerner, a central figure in the IRS targeting of conservative groups has invoked the 5th Amendment against self-incriminating testimony today before Congress.

Looks like the administration has found a part of the Constitution that they like.

So either no one knows anything, or they aren't talking.

Seems legit.

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This was posted in the corruption thread, but belongs here as well since its about the IRS.

Obama and Holder have both condemned the actions by the IRS, using words like intolerable and inexcusable (Obama) and Outrageous and unacceptable (Holder) so there's no question the targeting did happen.

While no applications have been denied technically, of those targeted roughly half have not been approved, and the average delay is 594 days. Thats right - 594 days! One could make a legitimate case that delaying applications for nearly two years is tantamount to denial, and could harm or even shut down operations because it would adversely impact donations.

As usual these days, defenders resort to semantics and he said she said, (or in at least one case today she didn't say lol) to support their denial. But investigations are just getting started, and will continue.

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Looks like the EPA has an IRS problem:

The agency has rubber-stamped fee-waiver requests from environmentalist groups seeking information, but it denied similar requests from conservative groups, an extensive examination of EPA correspondence suggests. It’s the latest instance in which federal agencies have used their executive authority against perceived political opponents.

http://www.nationalreview.com/node/349009

Coincidence? Lol

Yet another investigation.

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Finally, someone tells it like it is.  This isn't about legitimate scandals.  This is about interrupting the governing process.  This is about embarrassing and weakening the opposition.  This is about power and how to increase yours while minimizing your opponents.  This is about putting your opponent on defense.  It won't matter if it turns out nothing is there.  Like the citizenship claims, there will be no apology if it turns out the accusations are wrong.  Making your opponent invest capital into the defense is what's important.  Then, if nothing becomes of it in 2016, the serendipity turns back to anger and we start the cycle all over again.
 
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With the investigations just getting started, the public can not yet know with certainty the degree of wrong-doing involved. These queries are part of the checks and balances built into the Constitution to constrain abuse of power, and are part and parcel of our governing system regardless of which party controls which branch. They reflect that the system of government designed by America's founders is working, even if the government at any given time has overreached their boundaries.
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The public can't even know if "any" intentional wrong-doing has occurred, let alone determine the level.
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The public can't even know if "any" intentional wrong-doing has occurred, let alone determine the level.


They could if the Obama administration was TRANSPARENT.

Yeah, that campaign lie again.

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The public can't even know if "any" intentional wrong-doing has occurred, let alone determine the level.


They could if the Obama administration was TRANSPARENT.

Yeah, that campaign lie again.


yep, he is correct fib, if all those that broke the law plead the 5th then we cannot know if wrong-doing occurred. we do know that obstruction has occurred, deception has occurred, coverups have occurred, scandals have occurred, murders at the hands of the obama clan have occurred.
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LMUfan - Maybe you believe Obama is a foreigner and a Muslim.  Maybe you believe people are criminals without convictions or admissions.  I don't.  As I have shown the best I know how, you can't convince these people otherwise.  Could I be proven wrong?  Of course.  But I'm above calling people crooks without the necessary proof and I recognize politics when I see it.  We'll see what happens.

Edit:  If I asked you to name the top three crimes Obama has committed, would you respond?
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Dewey Obama is a Moslem as his father was one. in the moslem religion the childrem of a moslem father will always be a moslem even if they change religion. secondly his birth location has not been proven 100%.
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LMUfan - Not sure I got any of that.  You don't believe Obama is or isn't a Muslim?  You don't believe he is or isn't a citizen?  You believe Obama broke the law but you won't name when and where?  As for Nixon, between resignation and pardon, there's no chance for conviction.  I'll accept a resignation, to avoid an impeachment trial of your peers, as an admission he broke the law.
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BD-Did he really say this, because if he did I applaud him for being honest.
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I had not renewed my membership or been to a tea Party event for 2+ years. I joined back up this week & going to picnic coming up.
Local head guy here says membership revived & should have more members 2010, if keeps going....maybe, " Wanted to let a sleeping dog lie"'
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I had not renewed my membership or been to a tea Party event for 2+ years. I joined back up this week & going to picnic coming up.
Local head guy here says membership revived & should have more members 2010, if keeps going....maybe, " Wanted to let a sleeping dog lie"'


Good for you B!!
Congratulations!!

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