Ultimate College Softball
Register Calendar Latest Topics
 
 
 


Reply
  Author   Comment   Page 3 of 4      Prev   1   2   3   4   Next
bluedog

Registered:
Posts: 9,725
Reply with quote  #61 
Quote:
Then what was it about the development process in the past that made them better players?


More actual practice time and less time traveling..........

And, there were far fewer people like 3leftturns running around with their unqualified thinking............
3leftturns

Registered:
Posts: 11,255
Reply with quote  #62 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedog


More actual practice time and less time traveling..........

And, there were far fewer people like 3leftturns running around with their unqualified thinking............
I know more in my pinkie finger than your entirety. You need to actually watch games. Game of 12-15 years ago was the minor leagues compared with now. And, I don't mean in comparing the top handful of teams... I mean the depth beneath those squads in the firmament
3leftturns

Registered:
Posts: 11,255
Reply with quote  #63 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedog


More actual practice time and less time traveling..........

And, there were far fewer people like 3leftturns running around with their unqualified thinking............
only thing you are more qualified than anyone else on this board in is the 10-period ellipsis
bluedog

Registered:
Posts: 9,725
Reply with quote  #64 
3leftturns, I understand your need to feel qualified.........There's a lot of folk like you in softball............I'll leave you to fulfill your need............


Just on defense alone, players make more mistakes............Then, there's the rest of the game............

There's private instructors all over with a fancy website waiting to separate some money from a parent...........Send 'em a video, get some advice, pay your bill and you're on your way...........Or, there's message boards that give advice to parents for free..........Twitter's full of 'em........ 


TheNarrator

Registered:
Posts: 3,557
Reply with quote  #65 
Don't you give private lessons and disseminate unasked for advice?
3leftturns

Registered:
Posts: 11,255
Reply with quote  #66 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedog

Just on defense alone, players make more mistakes............Then, there's the rest of the game............

Nope and nope
bluedog

Registered:
Posts: 9,725
Reply with quote  #67 
Quote:
Don't you give private lessons and disseminate unasked for advice?


Sure do - all the time..........Buyer beware........
howzat

Registered:
Posts: 31
Reply with quote  #68 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedog


Just on defense alone, players make more mistakes............Then, there's the rest of the game............



Everyone's got an opinion.  The ones that carry weight are those that are supported by data.

Guess which category this one belongs to?
bluedog

Registered:
Posts: 9,725
Reply with quote  #69 
Spoken like a good parent stat-keeper..........

You know, the stats that record errors as hits.........


Yeah, I know - you're not a parent or a stat-keeper and softball isn't known to record errors as hits.........[smile]
outofzone

Registered:
Posts: 877
Reply with quote  #70 
The one glaring atrocity which has come out of the current travel ball phenom is the "Showcase". That said, we have all benefited from it. It has become a necessity.

The ultra competitive, innate nature of winning has gotten lost over the years. Maybe this is what Bluedog is referring to??

These kids are still around & they always seem to rise to the top.
bluedog

Registered:
Posts: 9,725
Reply with quote  #71 
Outofzone, can you explain further what you mean?
howzat

Registered:
Posts: 31
Reply with quote  #72 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedog
Spoken like a good parent stat-keeper..........

You know, the stats that record errors as hits.........


Yeah, I know - you're not a parent or a stat-keeper and softball isn't known to record errors as hits.........[smile]



Wow, what compelling data.  You've totally convinced us.

[crazy]
3leftturns

Registered:
Posts: 11,255
Reply with quote  #73 
Quote:
Originally Posted by outofzone
The one glaring atrocity which has come out of the current travel ball phenom is the "Showcase". That said, we have all benefited from it. It has become a necessity.

The ultra competitive, innate nature of winning has gotten lost over the years. Maybe this is what Bluedog is referring to??

These kids are still around & they always seem to rise to the top.
The kids going to schools recruited from showcases are still better than the players those schools used to get; there is much more depth as the sport is more and more televised/streamed. And, for elite P5, if a kid isn't able to handle PGF/Boulder bracketed tournament competition, it likely will be a rough time in college
bluedog

Registered:
Posts: 9,725
Reply with quote  #74 
I brought this up before...........I'll do it again...........

These young 7th and 8th grade verbals befriend the college players and talk to them frequently - visits, clinics and texting...........After all, they're part of the softball family, now............

Don't under-estimate this potential conflict............
Fresh

Registered:
Posts: 2,144
Reply with quote  #75 
Boulder isn't the problem with a single elimination at the end. Win or go home is a good motivational aspect. Too many showcases with a flat 5 game guarantee, everybody plays, pitchers get 2 innings apiece, free substitution on defense, no winners, no losers. Except the kids. These have a place...a small place. 7 inning games that mean something is what we need more of. Too much 1:15 get em in, run em to another field. Doesn't help prepare the kids for competition. 
outofzone

Registered:
Posts: 877
Reply with quote  #76 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresh
Boulder isn't the problem with a single elimination at the end. Win or go home is a good motivational aspect. Too many showcases with a flat 5 game guarantee, everybody plays, pitchers get 2 innings apiece, free substitution on defense, no winners, no losers. Except the kids. These have a place...a small place. 7 inning games that mean something is what we need more of. Too much 1:15 get em in, run em to another field. Doesn't help prepare the kids for competition. 


This is it pretty much. 


KYBandit

Registered:
Posts: 372
Reply with quote  #77 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresh
Boulder isn't the problem with a single elimination at the end. Win or go home is a good motivational aspect. Too many showcases with a flat 5 game guarantee, everybody plays, pitchers get 2 innings apiece, free substitution on defense, no winners, no losers. Except the kids. These have a place...a small place. 7 inning games that mean something is what we need more of. Too much 1:15 get em in, run em to another field. Doesn't help prepare the kids for competition. 


Which tourney's are you talking about?

Most all of the upper level summer tournaments have elimination right?

Boulder
Demarini
Thunderbolts
Legacy
All the surf city's tourney's
All the different nationals and qualifiers of course 
Tn Fury's

I understand there are tourneys out there exp in the fall that do not but most the tourney's in the fall are going in that direction as well.  But it's kinda hard, remember coaches voted not to recruit on Friday's to deter kids from missing school.  It's hard to have elimination on Sundays with out kids getting home very late.

It will be interesting to see if the change in the recruiting calendar changes some things.  Coaches are usually long gone by the time elimination play starts or shortly after.  Fact is what we as fans, parents etc  want, might not be what the coaches like.  They like to be able to know when I certain kid may be playing and where, so all the pool games fit their needs.  Now that they have more days to recruit maybe they stick around for bracket play, which in my opinion would be very helpful for them, that way they know if the coaches are telling them the truth and they get to see the real starting lineups and kids playing with something on the line.
 
bluedog

Registered:
Posts: 9,725
Reply with quote  #78 
I like showcases...........

It's about showcasing the player, not the team............

3leftturns

Registered:
Posts: 11,255
Reply with quote  #79 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresh
Boulder isn't the problem with a single elimination at the end. Win or go home is a good motivational aspect. Too many showcases with a flat 5 game guarantee, everybody plays, pitchers get 2 innings apiece, free substitution on defense, no winners, no losers. Except the kids. These have a place...a small place. 7 inning games that mean something is what we need more of. Too much 1:15 get em in, run em to another field. Doesn't help prepare the kids for competition. 
I agree that it is absolute sewage to watch. But, those events are for other colleges, not to be too blunt about it. I would take four-inning bracketed games to get that time-window hit, if need be
outofzone

Registered:
Posts: 877
Reply with quote  #80 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedog
Outofzone, can you explain further what you mean?


"Back in the day", softball was built on the back of the blue collar, multi-sport kid. These were girls who just assume take your knee out on a hard slide, run you over @ home etc...they played hard but, it was a different kind of hard than what we see today. There was a mentality that we just don't see much anymore because of the way the game has evolved. A kid playing with that 'ole school style these days most likely gets tossed for being too aggressive. 

Also, with the advent of the Showcase stuff, many of these 'blue collar' kids were slowly priced out of competing. It just got too expensive. I would venture a guess that we don't get the oppt. to even see some of the best players because they simply cannot afford to play anymore. 

I kinda equate the softball back then with the Detroit Pistons of the 80s..played with a take no prisoners attitude. 

While the NBA has become glorified Powder Puff, Softball is going more mainstream every year & on the upswing. Just a thought.
trounced

Registered:
Posts: 48
Reply with quote  #81 
The problem I have with the early recruiting is the late bloomer, or even the kid whose family doesn't understand the entire recruiting process and is playing for an average travel organization and gets left behind. I started working with a kid (2019) this past spring who really just started to get passionate about softball. She's always liked it but now loves it, while others in her class seem to just be done. Her growth as a player over the last 6-8 months has been incredible because she's working her tail off. This girl gets better every day, can really hit, but realistically she'll never play DI, and if she does it's not going to be the traditional route. She's going to be a heckuva college player for someone because she's only going to get better and better. She's just not as refined as kids who have been playing elite travel since the time they've been 10-12. It's those kids that I feel for because as a 2019 she's way behind in the recruiting game right now.
uwApoligist

Registered:
Posts: 6,853
Reply with quote  #82 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresh
Boulder isn't the problem with a single elimination at the end. Win or go home is a good motivational aspect. Too many showcases with a flat 5 game guarantee, everybody plays, pitchers get 2 innings apiece, free substitution on defense, no winners, no losers. Except the kids. These have a place...a small place. 7 inning games that mean something is what we need more of. Too much 1:15 get em in, run em to another field. Doesn't help prepare the kids for competition. 

Hey, we agree.  Only helps them get fast at moving fields. 

__________________
Can always tell when fresh is drunk and tired. Gets low energy and says 'sh1t' a lot,
uwApoligist

Registered:
Posts: 6,853
Reply with quote  #83 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trounced
The problem I have with the early recruiting is the late bloomer, or even the kid whose family doesn't understand the entire recruiting process and is playing for an average travel organization and gets left behind. I started working with a kid (2019) this past spring who really just started to get passionate about softball. She's always liked it but now loves it, while others in her class seem to just be done. Her growth as a player over the last 6-8 months has been incredible because she's working her tail off. This girl gets better every day, can really hit, but realistically she'll never play DI, and if she does it's not going to be the traditional route. She's going to be a heckuva college player for someone because she's only going to get better and better. She's just not as refined as kids who have been playing elite travel since the time they've been 10-12. It's those kids that I feel for because as a 2019 she's way behind in the recruiting game right now.

Girl here wanted to play college softball more than anything else.  Parents lacked the funds for the high end pitching coaches that had the 'contacts'.  She struggled on local team with great coaches that worked super super hard to help her get recruited.  Talent wise was just a bit below college level.  

So she went JC.  Ended up winning NCAA-JC her freshman year.  It was the teams first year in existence. Then 3rd place her sophomore year.  Got picked up by University of Central Arkansas for her Junior year.  Took them to their first NCAA appearance.   She is now playing 'Pro' ball in Itally.  Way more heart then many top D1 pitchers I knew. 

The system as currently architected works very hard against that type of a recruit.  If favors instead the daddy-warbucks driven athlete. 

__________________
Can always tell when fresh is drunk and tired. Gets low energy and says 'sh1t' a lot,
Fresh

Registered:
Posts: 2,144
Reply with quote  #84 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedog
I like showcases...........

It's about showcasing the player, not the team............



I have now agreed with you one less time than UWA. What value is there in watching a kid perform in a game with no intensity? No win or go home. The best showcase of competitiveness is a national qualifier. Lose and go home to travel next week and try again. That shows a coach where your players live. I hate the free rides to PGF and ASA  nationals, but finances require it. 
bluedog

Registered:
Posts: 9,725
Reply with quote  #85 
Coaches are looking to grade players for tools...........What tools does the player possess?.............Speed - arm strength - glove ability - power with the bat.............

A showcase gives coaches a great chance to grade-out the players they wanna see...........Coaches figure they can teach hustle...............They wanna see tools in their recruits........... 


Fresh

Registered:
Posts: 2,144
Reply with quote  #86 
Most players at the top level have the tools. How they use them under pressure exhibits their value to a P5 conference. The reason high school is not a good barometer of talent is the inconsistency of pitching and defense. The coaches I speak to want to see their prospects play for something. 18 nationals is hand holding time, but 14's are for evaluation. 14's are the new 16's.
bluedog

Registered:
Posts: 9,725
Reply with quote  #87 
Fresh, I don't mean to be disrespectful to you, but, I find you to be very ill-informed on this stuff...........

College coaches recruit with the intention that they'll mold the player to their style and teaching...........They grade their recruits in that fashion, according to how strong their physical tools are........


Fresh

Registered:
Posts: 2,144
Reply with quote  #88 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bluedog
Fresh, I don't mean to be disrespectful to you, but, I find you to be very ill-informed on this stuff...........

College coaches recruit with the intention that they'll mold the player to their style and teaching...........They grade their recruits in that fashion, according to how strong their physical tools are...........




Quite a surprise that you and I have diverse opinions on this. Who could have seen that coming? I find you pontificating on a subject you seem to know a little about. Just enough to make you feel superior to those around you in Louisiana? Like I said, all our kids have the physical tools. 
bluedog

Registered:
Posts: 9,725
Reply with quote  #89 
Fresh, like you, I'm right half the time..........Just not sure which half.............
Dusty

Registered:
Posts: 94
Reply with quote  #90 
Quote:
Originally Posted by trounced
The problem I have with the early recruiting is the late bloomer, or even the kid whose family doesn't understand the entire recruiting process and is playing for an average travel organization and gets left behind. I started working with a kid (2019) this past spring who really just started to get passionate about softball. She's always liked it but now loves it, while others in her class seem to just be done. Her growth as a player over the last 6-8 months has been incredible because she's working her tail off. This girl gets better every day, can really hit, but realistically she'll never play DI, and if she does it's not going to be the traditional route. She's going to be a heckuva college player for someone because she's only going to get better and better. She's just not as refined as kids who have been playing elite travel since the time they've been 10-12. It's those kids that I feel for because as a 2019 she's way behind in the recruiting game right now.


I could have written this a year ago about my '18 dd and she committed to a D1 this summer.  Just saying it does happen and probably more often than many realize so I would encourage the kid your talking about to keep pursuing it if thats what she really wants to do.  My dd has also spent her career on never heard of to barely heard of travel teams and will finish her senior year playing in the same org she's played in since 8th grade.  I should probably qualify that though by saying she got some help by guest playing on a higher profile team last summer.  

We weren't specifically looking D1,2,3 or anything we just went about it with the attitude of if it happens it happens but if it doesn't she'll just move on with college life and be done with softball.
Previous Topic | Next Topic
Print
Reply

Quick Navigation:

Easily create a Forum Website with Website Toolbox.