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Daddylawman

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My DD has graduated college, and I've stepped away from coaching the past year,  so I don't have skin in the recruiting game.  However, nothing I have read or seen has ever changed my mind as to the one thing that could change the whole early recruiting problem.

Coaches need to keep recruiting girls they want, regardless of verbals, until signing day.  With all the money in football and b-ball, they don't have this issue.  Why?  Because coaches know that verbals are worthless and don't stop recruiting if they think they can get a recruit to flip.

Have you been to big recruiting showcases?  Big school coaches are only "babysitting" 16's and 18's.  Imagine what would happen if they thought other coaches were trying to flip their recruits?  I've heard the arguments about "keeping your word" but we all know that that doesn't apply to the coaches if they sour on a girl.  One way or another they'll get rid of her.

If verbals hold no value - early verbals stop,  Simple.
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My DD has graduated college, and I've stepped away from coaching the past year,  so I don't have skin in the recruiting game.  However, nothing I have read or seen has ever changed my mind as to the one thing that could change the whole early recruiting problem.

Coaches need to keep recruiting girls they want, regardless of verbals, until signing day.  With all the money in football and b-ball, they don't have this issue.  Why?  Because coaches know that verbals are worthless and don't stop recruiting if they think they can get a recruit to flip.

Have you been to big recruiting showcases?  Big school coaches are only "babysitting" 16's and 18's.  Imagine what would happen if they thought other coaches were trying to flip their recruits?  I've heard the arguments about "keeping your word" but we all know that that doesn't apply to the coaches if they sour on a girl.  One way or another they'll get rid of her.

If verbals hold no value - early verbals stop,  Simple.
The thing is, an oral agreement means more to a young woman than it does to a basketball player, or football player, or coach of any sport -- generally speaking
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Flosoftball is good for the game as long as you don't take it to seriously. The ranking are a joke. I have seen many top 20-30 players that could not start in a highly competitive team without their dads as the coach. Last Springs 2021 list was comedy gold. Flo does promote fastpitch and stream some good games. They give exposure to the sport and that is a very good thing.
Well, most HS lists ... of any sport from any service ... will have its big misses

 

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Flosoftball is good for the game as long as you don't take it to seriously. The ranking are a joke. I have seen many top 20-30 players that could not start in a highly competitive team without their dads as the coach. Last Springs 2021 list was comedy gold
. Flo does promote fastpitch and stream some good games. They give exposure to the sport and that is a very good thing.


I'm sure that 8th grader list wasn't comedy gold to those kids parents.   
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I'm really confused how this early recruiting mess is caused by parents. There is no doubt parent egos are a contributing factor but in reality they control nothing. The parents can not invite themselves and their 8th grade daughters onto campus. They can not offer themselves free football tickets and a tour. They can not offer their child a softball scholarship 4,5 or now 6 years in the future. This can be controlled and stopped by the coaches but so far all I see is a lot of lip service about how bad it is for the sport and then I watch the biggest programs offer younger and younger. Over the top parents are certainly a problem in youth sports but this craziness is owned by the people controlling it. THE COACHES.


Parents are the only ones who control who says Yes & No.

The debate will rage on about personal choices, ego, best fit etc...I understand that.

Nextyear, so you condone making LIFE decisions for 12/13 yr old children? Or worse, think ANY 12/13 yr old kid is mature enough to make a life decision period? The 2nd ever 2018 to commit, summer before her freshman year, decomitted last month. And her parents were a big driver of that decision, based largely on money. It was the kid, now 17 & a Senior in High School who made that decision. So how much money did she lose AND, how much money did her more mature decision cost her parents? 

KYbandit made some great points about the first wave of early recruits. But those recruits weren't 7th or 8th graders. They were mostly Freshman, then considered too early to make those decisions. I think KYbandit is mostly correct in how things are playing out though. 

It is the Parents who control the craziness..you got it backwards. College coaches are only exploiting the kids right under the noses of their Parents. Does anyone on this board really believe Tim Walton will put a check mark next to that 7th grader & simply move on to the next position? Nope, he will line up as many 7th graders as he can, lock them down and get them off the recruiting trail. Then he will put these kids in his NLI Signing Day sifter, shake it a bit & then decide who gets to go to Florida. And alot of kids will get left outside looking in. 

Watch Candrea's 2020 class. Vegas line would be 100-1 all those kids end up there. Oh ye all on Full Rides I'm sure to. 

College coaches are paid to do 3 things: Recruit, Sign, Win. Parents have always controlled the first 2. 






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So, to anybody who thinks it's perfectly sane for a 7th grader, or her family, to know where they want to got to school in 7 years I ask you this:

You have a problem with a 6th or even a 5th grader making the same decision? 
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Parents are the only ones who control who says Yes & No.

The debate will rage on about personal choices, ego, best fit etc...I understand that.

Nextyear, so you condone making LIFE decisions for 12/13 yr old children? Or worse, think ANY 12/13 yr old kid is mature enough to make a life decision period? The 2nd ever 2018 to commit, summer before her freshman year, decomitted last month. And her parents were a big driver of that decision, based largely on money. It was the kid, now 17 & a Senior in High School who made that decision. So how much money did she lose AND, how much money did her more mature decision cost her parents? 

KYbandit made some great points about the first wave of early recruits. But those recruits weren't 7th or 8th graders. They were mostly Freshman, then considered too early to make those decisions. I think KYbandit is mostly correct in how things are playing out though. 

It is the Parents who control the craziness..you got it backwards. College coaches are only exploiting the kids right under the noses of their Parents. Does anyone on this board really believe Tim Walton will put a check mark next to that 7th grader & simply move on to the next position? Nope, he will line up as many 7th graders as he can, lock them down and get them off the recruiting trail. Then he will put these kids in his NLI Signing Day sifter, shake it a bit & then decide who gets to go to Florida. And alot of kids will get left outside looking in. 

Watch Candrea's 2020 class. Vegas line would be 100-1 all those kids end up there. Oh ye all on Full Rides I'm sure to. 

College coaches are paid to do 3 things: Recruit, Sign, Win. Parents have always controlled the first 2. 








Ok so I said the parents play a role but I don't blame them. Let me give you the reality of how it is today. If your daughter plays for a top team in a top program the team is swarmed with big name coaches the Fall of their eighth grade year. Many of the top programs are bringing 8th graders on campus for visits and football games right now. The games that draw the most D1 coaches in the Fall showcase season are 14U. It's not ever close. What if the coaches all said "these kids are to young and I'm going to watch 16s"?

Now it's an arms race. Teammates are getting invited for visits and parents want to keep up. Travel coaches start pushing college coaches for visits so they don't lose kids to other teams who are getting early visits. But i can prove to you it's still all controlled by college coaches and here is how......are you telling me over the top parents are new? Are you telling me in 2005 parents would not have wanted to bring their young daughters in for visits? Ofcourse they would have. It wasn't even thought of until coaches started to try to one up the competition and go younger. Parents haven't changed. Social media has made them crazier but they are still the same. The real problem is that parents know that top schools have promised out over 80% of their money by the end of a players Summer between their freshman and sophomore year.

If the college coaches do not attend 14U games the problem goes away. If they do not bring in 8th graders for visits the problem goes away. Finally if coaches stop promising out most of the scholarship money in a graduating class before that classes sophomore year ........you guessed it the problem goes away.

I can tell you most parents I know hate the recruiting process once they get involved in it and realize it's idiotic. Who wants to spend $800-$1000 a weekend ($300 hotel rooms on football weekends) for a visit. I promise you parents hate camps after the first couple. It's not the parents and their only choice is not to participate in the process. Then they have to have hope that their child will get a late offer once kids that were to young to commit start decommiting.
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So, to anybody who thinks it's perfectly sane for a 7th grader, or her family, to know where they want to got to school in 7 years I ask you this:

You have a problem with a 6th or even a 5th grader making the same decision? 


This family? Considering mom & dad were athletes there, they live somewhat close, and their family money comes from their careers they had based upon their athletic talent...I would feel pretty good that this kid will be ok.  
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This family? Considering mom & dad were athletes there, they live somewhat close, and their family money comes from their careers they had based upon their athletic talent...I would feel pretty good that this kid will be ok.  


There are always exceptions but her Gene Pool might not be the course you want to take but, if you believe in that I guess this kid will be a pothead...and won't last long @ Florida. 

Sounds more like Dad & Coach are just pulling each other in this deal. At least she don't eat up much scholarship money, that's a plus.
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Ok so I said the parents play a role but I don't blame them. Let me give you the reality of how it is today. If your daughter plays for a top team in a top program the team is swarmed with big name coaches the Fall of their eighth grade year. Many of the top programs are bringing 8th graders on campus for visits and football games right now. The games that draw the most D1 coaches in the Fall showcase season are 14U. It's not ever close. What if the coaches all said "these kids are to young and I'm going to watch 16s"? Now it's an arms race. Teammates are getting invited for visits and parents want to keep up. Travel coaches start pushing college coaches for visits so they don't lose kids to other teams who are getting early visits. But i can prove to you it's still all controlled by college coaches and here is how......are you telling me over the top parents are new? Are you telling me in 2005 parents would not have wanted to bring their young daughters in for visits? Ofcourse they would have. It wasn't even thought of until coaches started to try to one up the competition and go younger. Parents haven't changed. Social media has made them crazier but they are still the same. The real problem is that parents know that top schools have promised out over 80% of their money by the end of a players Summer between their freshman and sophomore year. If the college coaches do not attend 14U games the problem goes away. If they do not bring in 8th graders for visits the problem goes away. Finally if coaches stop promising out most of the scholarship money in a graduating class before that classes sophomore year ........you guessed it the problem goes away. I can tell you most parents I know hate the recruiting process once they get involved in it and realize it's idiotic. Who wants to spend $800-$1000 a weekend ($300 hotel rooms on football weekends) for a visit. I promise you parents hate camps after the first couple. It's not the parents and their only choice is not to participate in the process. Then they have to have hope that their child will get a late offer once kids that were to young to commit start decommiting.


I'm not a drive by poster. My daughter & I went thru the process. It was probably the 4 best years any dad could spend with his daughter. She is now a freshman @ a P5 program. 

I completely understand what you're saying & witnessed my share of the seedy side of the ordeal. I understood the "game" as much as anybody. Please believe me when I say as a family we made every decision on our own because we controlled the process from day 1. 

I do see where many families let the process control them. Egos get in the way. Unfortunate.
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There are always exceptions but her Gene Pool might not be the course you want to take but, if you believe in that I guess this kid will be a pothead...and won't last long @ Florida. 

Sounds more like Dad & Coach are just pulling each other in this deal. At least she don't eat up much scholarship money, that's a plus.


Keep it classy.


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Why is this such an emotional topic for all of you? Unless you have a daughter involved its really irrelevant to most of us. Its a decision that each school and family has to deal with. Nothing more nothing less. If a kid id so good that a school wants to go down that path then more power to them. They own it. 


This is relevant to all who love college softball.  I know of one kid that made a verbal commitment early on and then when it came time to sign she was given considerably less than the original offer.  This particular set of parents said no thanks she will find somewhere else to play because we can't afford to send her to your school.  She ended up at a mid-major.  Most parents just suck it up because they have been telling everyone for five years that DD is going to Power 5 school, her twitter says it, and then they all wear Power 5 gear to everything.  Many of us never know when this happens because most families will never admit it.  They tell no one, so the coach and the school's reputation stay intact and the coaches have all the power.  It also creates problems when the player isn't really that good, they sign anyway, and then the coach runs them off.  Now they have some scholarship money and then they poach the mid-majors for good players that were probably late bloomers or didn't pay big money to play travel ball.  The sad part is that a lot of kids that used to go to a mid-major and have a good career sit on the bench at a Power 5.  This makes the mid-major's less competitive because now they are getting players that probably would have went Division II, and so on it goes. 

The best solution that I have come up with is to make softball scholarships 100%.  Then, the kid can choose the school that is the best fit based on the offers instead of having to weigh this percentage or that percentage and the coaches can't wait until their senior year to decide how to break everything up.  There are no surprises.  Coaches offer and kids accept and then the NLI says exactly what they were expecting.  18 100% scholarships.
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12, not 18
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The thing is, an oral agreement means more to a young woman than it does to a basketball player, or football player, or coach of any sport -- generally speaking

That is only because Candrea, Enquist and about 6 other coaches got together about 20 years ago and 'created' that since the verbals are iron clad.  They felt it would be bad for the sport if they had the recruiting shenanigans that were common in football and basketball.  They agreed once a parent publicly announced a verbal, they would not recruit them anymore.  If someone fell out of line with that plan, they would all work against that coach the next round.  

It all sort of made sense when girls were recruited Junior and Senior year.  

Now with the ultra young recruiting going on, it would make sense to flip this back around and let girls get recruited after verballing.  

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DI Council introduces early recruiting proposal

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This seems to be a very controversial subject. I'm kind of on the fence. A verbal agreement isn't binding so it can always be backed out of. From what I've seen most of the girls stick to their commitment better than football players who it seems like colleges have to dogfight for until they are signed on the dotted line. The only back out's seem to be when a coach leaves or maybe you have a situation like whats going on Auburn. I'm sure there are some schools that back out on a commitment but as far as I can tell, its not many. I would assume it would hurt your reputation. This is just a guess but I also would assume there is an agreement you need to keep your grades in order and stay out of trouble. So in that way maybe its a good thing. 

Here is what I think could be the bad. For everyone bashing the parents look at it from this prospective. Lets just say for example Florida offers your daughter in 8th grade. This is in her mind at least at this time is her dream school. What if you tell her no she's to young and by the next year Florida has filled up the class and tells her the spot is full. Or as a parent let her make a non binding verbal agreement? So there is pressure on the girl and parents to take that spot while its there. To tell you the truth as a parent I probably tell her to verbal and get the spot. 

As for flosoftball I think its good for the sport. They started out as student sports. They only did the Hot 100's for juniors to start but as the verbals got younger their list kept expanding. The youngest they've done is 2021's. I actually think the amount of employees has went up. Brent Eeds is a very good softball guy. I do think there is a bias as the California teams get more exposure and are seen more. I do think they have gotten better nationally. You see more girls from across the nation on the list now. There are other services that rank but  they are probably the best. Of course their going to miss. The difference between who they rank 80 and 20 may not be much if any. I will say their top 10's are pretty accurate. Most girls ranked in the top 10 work out to be very good softball players. After the top 10 it get more sketchy. But they are a forum for softball to grow and that's a good thing. 
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12, not 18


I know there is 12 now, but I think 18 would do the trick.  There could always be a few walk-ons.
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My DD has graduated college, and I've stepped away from coaching the past year,  so I don't have skin in the recruiting game.  However, nothing I have read or seen has ever changed my mind as to the one thing that could change the whole early recruiting problem.

Coaches need to keep recruiting girls they want, regardless of verbals, until signing day.  With all the money in football and b-ball, they don't have this issue.  Why?  Because coaches know that verbals are worthless and don't stop recruiting if they think they can get a recruit to flip.

Have you been to big recruiting showcases?  Big school coaches are only "babysitting" 16's and 18's.  Imagine what would happen if they thought other coaches were trying to flip their recruits?  I've heard the arguments about "keeping your word" but we all know that that doesn't apply to the coaches if they sour on a girl.  One way or another they'll get rid of her.

If verbals hold no value - early verbals stop,  Simple.


I think you will be seeing this more and more.  If a P5 school wants a mid kid they will still go after them.
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Nextyear, so you condone making LIFE decisions for 12/13 yr old children? Or worse, think ANY 12/13 yr old kid is mature enough to make a life decision period? The 2nd ever 2018 to commit, summer before her freshman year, decomitted last month. And her parents were a big driver of that decision, based largely on money. It was the kid, now 17 & a Senior in High School who made that decision. So how much money did she lose AND, how much money did her more mature decision cost her parents? 




I don't think anyone likes that kids/coaches/families are making these decisions this young.  As of know it's just the life we live in so you deal with it.

I look at it this way.  There are hundreds of thousands of non athletes that choose their schools in the spring of their senior years that don't make it through the first year of college or don't return to school their 2nd year. 

So they have a hard time making life decisions at 18/19 or 20 without sports.  

Not near enough info for someone who doesn't know this 2018's decision to give much input into how much if any this girl lost out on. 
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The best solution that I have come up with is to make softball scholarships 100%.  Then, the kid can choose the school that is the best fit based on the offers instead of having to weigh this percentage or that percentage and the coaches can't wait until their senior year to decide how to break everything up.  There are no surprises.  Coaches offer and kids accept and then the NLI says exactly what they were expecting.  18 100% scholarships.


I would love this, probably would make it better on everyone and take some team drama away as everyone would be getting the same thing.

Guessing it will never happen though.
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Outofzone said...........




The travel-ball practices I see are of the rah-rah, hit 'em some ground balls and show me what you got variety..........Maybe get a coupla swings and hope a ground ball gets through............It's a - come play for us and get some exposure mentality............On top of that, team coaches are charging money for individual lessons and teaching the players the same rah-rah stuff....................They'll hit 'em a few ground-balls and put a ball on a tee and have 'em hit it............



So true. Players going to college not knowing the basics of the game. They have skills but they don't have softball IQ. College coaches should not be coaching softball 101. How kids do not know how to run the bases correctly amazes me. Outfielder not knowing how to throw through a cut. instead, they throw a rainbow. How cuts do not know how to receive a cut or fake a cut. Travel coaches, start coaching the kids. Stop doing everything for them. Put them in a position to learn the game.  



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So true. Players going to college not knowing the basics of the game. They have skills but they don't have softball IQ. College coaches should not be coaching softball 101. How kids do not know how to run the bases correctly amazes me. Outfielder not knowing how to throw through a cut. instead, they throw a rainbow. How cuts do not know how to receive a cut or fake a cut. Travel coaches, start coaching the kids. Stop doing everything for them. Put them in a position to learn the game.  





Would tend to disagree...Do you watch college softball or major league baseball.  Do you not see base running mistakes, missed cuts, errors, not getting bunts down or all these other softball IQ things you mention.  Girls today probably play upwards of 50 more games a year if not more than girls 20 years ago.  So I am guessing their softball IQ is ok.

I think one thing you can count on till the end of time is base-running mistakes at all levels.
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So true. Players going to college not knowing the basics of the game.
 

Cleareyes, glad you see it, as this is an epidemic in softball..............Players aren't getting competent, or any, instruction at the younger ages...........

Folks talking about how girls are playing more games these days has nothing to do with players learning..........These kids are spending their time traveling and playing, instead of learning...........It's travel-and-play, and that's it...........That's why I say travel-ball coaches are, mostly, travel agents these days...........Hit 'em a few ground-balls, swing at a few balls on a tee, and let's go travel-and-play and get some exposure............

Folks like KyBandit will defend this travesty at every opportunity............It's how this stuff has gotten so out-of-control............Players being recruited when they should be learning is where we're headed as long as parents allow it to happen.............




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Cleareyes said.............
 

Cleareyes, glad you see it, as this is an epidemic in softball..............Players aren't getting competent, or any, instruction at the younger ages...........

Folks talking about how girls are playing more games these days has nothing to do with players learning..........These kids are spending their time traveling and playing, instead of learning...........It's travel-and-play, and that's it...........That's why I say travel-ball coaches are, mostly, travel agents these days...........Hit 'em a few ground-balls, swing at a few balls on a tee, and let's go travel-and-play and get some exposure............

Folks like KyBandit will defend this travesty at every opportunity............It's how this stuff has gotten so out-of-control............Players being recruited when they should be learning is where we're headed as long as parents allow it to happen.............






I sure will... So you are telling me all the the kids back in the day took hitting lessons, fielding lessons, pitching lessons, personal trainers like they do today??  

So you are telling me the game is not played at a higher level today than any other time?

Kids today spend way more time on their games than at any other time.  Old people always just like to say their generation did more.  They are just about always wrong.


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So you are telling me the game is not played at a higher level today than any other time?


Of course, I'm telling you just that........... 


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I sure will... So you are telling me all the the kids back in the day took hitting lessons, fielding lessons, pitching lessons, personal trainers like they do today??  

So you are telling me the game is not played at a higher level today than any other time?

Kids today spend way more time on their games than at any other time.  Old people always just like to say their generation did more.  They are just about always wrong.




Are they the same thing?

In my view, the players today are better athletes, in better condition, absolutely; and the skill levels specific to their positions (pitching, hitting, fielding) are more refined.

But there are too many unqualified "trainers" giving these lessons.  Simply having played the game doesn't necessarily qualify that person to teach the skills necessary to play it at a top level.  Not even if that player played at a top level, not everyone can teach.  Ted Williams and Pete Rose are examples of GREAT players that exhibited poor coaching/teaching ability.

And simply too many travel teams with coaches that started a team so their daughter would be the #1 at whatever position she wants to play, and have no practical knowledge of the game.  Many that I hear and see coach a team would be better to just never say a word, just make a lineup and shut up, compared to the misinformation they give these kids disguised as coaching.

In the day was a time with less teams, so less unqualified coaches.  And teams were more local-centric, so they actually had practices, scrimmages, and practice games, thus able to teach game iq with game situations.  Now that kids just fly in to play for the weekend, that doesn't happen.  The "National" teams have to rely mostly on skill alone, because you need actual practice time to teach "the game".
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I sure will... So you are telling me all the the kids back in the day took hitting lessons, fielding lessons, pitching lessons, personal trainers like they do today??  

So you are telling me the game is not played at a higher level today than any other time?

Kids today spend way more time on their games than at any other time.  Old people always just like to say their generation did more.  They are just about always wrong.




I did say they have skills... and I never said anything about the game being played better back then. What I was trying to get across is they don't practice enough, they don't know the game, they aren't taught the game. They have the skills but they have to be told everything or they are lost. Like I said Softball 101 at the college level. This should not be the case. 
They aren't taught how to base run. They get yelled at for running aggressively. Yes, mistakes happen but when players are happy with one base on a  hit and don't run aggressive or they are a runner on 2B with 2 out and on a ground ball to the infield, they get to 3B and stop and look. This drives me nuts. That runner should score just in case the ball is dropped or the batter beats it out. It's an easy run.  Be aggressive, yes will they get thrown out from time to time but more often they put pressure on the defense and will force the defense into a mistake.  
One more thing on Defense... up by 2 with a runner on 2B... base hit and the OF throws home when they have no shot at the runner, overthrowing the cut too, and being praised for a "great throw"! Why not keep the tieing run on 1B. They don't know this because they aren't taught this in practice... they play too much and don't practice enough. Yes, they spend thousands on lessons... in addition to thousands to the team and travel.
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Of course, I'm telling you just that........... 




Then what was it about the development process in the past that made them better players?
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Are they the same thing?

In my view, the players today are better athletes, in better condition, absolutely; and the skill levels specific to their positions (pitching, hitting, fielding) are more refined.

But there are too many unqualified "trainers" giving these lessons.  Simply having played the game doesn't necessarily qualify that person to teach the skills necessary to play it at a top level.  Not even if that player played at a top level, not everyone can teach.  Ted Williams and Pete Rose are examples of GREAT players that exhibited poor coaching/teaching ability.

And simply too many travel teams with coaches that started a team so their daughter would be the #1 at whatever position she wants to play, and have no practical knowledge of the game.  Many that I hear and see coach a team would be better to just never say a word, just make a lineup and shut up, compared to the misinformation they give these kids disguised as coaching.

In the day was a time with less teams, so less unqualified coaches.  And teams were more local-centric, so they actually had practices, scrimmages, and practice games, thus able to teach game iq with game situations.  Now that kids just fly in to play for the weekend, that doesn't happen.  The "National" teams have to rely mostly on skill alone, because you need actual practice time to teach "the game".


I am sure there are a lot of unqualified trainers out there.  But my question is where are the good ones?  Does nobody today not know the game like in years past?  There is way more resources available now than 10 to 15 years ago bc of the internet.  

Of course just bc you played the game doesn't make you a great coach, but who do you want these kids to learn from.

Another one of my soap box things you brought up.  Thank goodness for softball dads, I think about every male on this board was a softball dad at some point.  Where would the game be with out them/us??  I have never started a team but was involved in some fashion with my kid's teams.  I think the vast majority of softball dads would be happy to have someone better coaching their kids.  Not always easy to find that person.
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Of course, I'm telling you just that........... 


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