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outofzone

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So Florida verbals a 7th grader. The pic on Flo Softball has been photoshopped because I saw the original where she was sucking her thumb. Below is an oldie but goodie from the summer which pretty much sums it up. 


What an adorable story. For a minute I thought I was in a Disney movie. I mean, at my house, when I wake up I get sunshine thru every window, flowers instantly leap into bloom, birds chirp & sing as they fly around my room. Just this morning they brought my adoring wife a cup of coffee prior to running her bathwater. Shoot, I even have deer grazing at foot of my bed. An occasional rabbit chews playfully on a carrot...it's almost Eden.

In fact, I'm still waiting for the D1 Stork to deliver that 'Full Ride' paperwork to the crib sitting snuggly in the corner. I know because my 7 month old has spoken...first words spoken were SEC. Now let's not get ahead of ourselves people, she still doesn't know WHICH school is her dream school. That would be insane. I mean, how many 7 month olds REALLY know what school they want to go to. Come on...She DOES know she would SETTLE for the ACC though. We've already got her working out on a steady diet of SEC tourney re-runs. She's been studying old box scores with particular emphasis on Errors vs Hits in certain games. I know a guy who knows a guy who got me some old lineup cards which had been thrown away so I've been reciting the names & positions to her so she can familiarize herself with batting orders in relation to position. She's coming along just fine in recognizing Slap defenses vs situational bunts with non-slappers. Since her first camp is only 6 months away...(yes we decided to wait till she could walk)...she's been watching old NFL combine films of the 20yd dash. Got a good feeling about her speed to, because there's a 4yr old out of CA who's run a 8.5 home to first and she's not projected to be as tall as our girl. We are waiting till she's strong enough to hold a bat, at least a couple more months, till we start her on serious film study of current & past Pitchers. Our emphasis will be on leftys as that is the trend these days. Good thing, because no doubt she will be a lefty slapper. Thankfully she 'tipped her hand' a bit when she started picking her nose with her left hand but, the dead give away was when she started throwing her food on the floor from the left side. She'll learn to hide some of these softball flaws soon enough...when she's a little older for sure. I think we are really close to figuring out what position we will have her playing in college. It's been narrowed down to either SS or 2nd Base. We are starting to see the smarts to play 2nd BUT, SS may be the spot. Easy to see her range will be off the hook scary good. Funny story, just the other night while doing some advanced infield drill work at the local ballfield, i rolled the ball to her between the 5-6 hole but, a puppy wondered onto the field and she took off after that thing in a sprint crawl. Almost got to it to. Now that is range fella. Go figure it was the one night I forgot my stopwatch. We've had her A2000 custom glove in for about 5 months now.  Have rough drafts of her non-binding verbal contract at the printer and, plan to announce what 4U team she will join at her trainer's daughters birthday party/press conference next month. So we feel pretty confident she is making all the right decisions currently. Shoot, she's only 7 months old so we are having her wait quite a while till she decides whether she wants to be an Astronaut or study Nuclear Particles that revolve around Quadrant Axioms in Zero Gravity environments. She has shown in recent testing a propensity for Negative Energy Theory though....

I don't blame the coaches, schools or kids. Parents are the problem. 
 
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Outofzone said...........
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 Parents are the problem. 


I agree...........

7th and 8th grade recruiting in softball is gaining steam - big-time............

The blame should be put on all - coaches, colleges, travel-ball teams and parents............I understand the -  parents are the problem, though..........The only way this can be stopped is through the parents............There's no doubt about that...........

And, I can say from working with players and parents in this age-group, it's not gonna be stopped anytime soon...........In fact, it's gonna get much worse............And, it's because of the egos of the parents..........

This stuff is making a joke out of recruiting............Most, not all, travel-ball teams no longer look to improve the skills of players.............Heck, most coaches aren't even coaches - they're travel agents..........

The travel-ball practices I see are of the rah-rah, hit 'em some ground balls and show me what you got variety..........Maybe get a coupla swings and hope a ground ball gets through............It's a - come play for us and get some exposure mentality............On top of that, team coaches are charging money for individual lessons and teaching the players the same rah-rah stuff....................They'll hit 'em a few ground-balls and put a ball on a tee and have 'em hit it............

The pitching on any level before high school is nowhere near a test for softball players.........With the exception of the six-foot pitcher who no young kid can hit..........And, that kid pitches on a team full of slappers and they get the trophies..........

When kids should be learning how-to-play, they're, now being recruited...........So, who's mostly to blame?...........The ones who are causing it and are the only ones who can stop it - the parents................If they say "no", it stops.........   


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Yes, parents are the main problem.  They are the ones twisting coaches' arms to offer middle schoolers because the parents have all the leverage.  No, this can't be due to the cozy relationships coaches like to keep with the big-name organizations.  You funnel your best players to me as early as possible (no matter if they actually end up there), you get to tell the next family to pony up a few thousand dollars so 5th grader Suzy is right in line to be the next so you can rush to post about it on FB.

What came first, the offer or the acceptance?  This isn't a chicken-and-egg scenario, there's nothing to say "no" to if there's no offer, now is there?
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So, making the offer is the ultimate blame for this early-recruiting nonsense?

I sure thought the one making the final decision would be the culprit...........Let's see, as a parent, you can take the offer, or, decide not to take it...........

The chicken-and-egg scenario in this case is whether, or not, you eat the egg - not what came first..........It's your decision - make it and it's done..........

The travel-ball coaches certainly promote this stuff..........To the point that it gets hard-to-watch...........
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The pitching on any level before high school is nowhere near a test for softball players.

 
This is my point always.  I want to know if you hang with the best before you go committing to some major school. Many of these players have not been tested.  How can you gauge the real athletic skills of kid if they haven't played the best at the top level. Once you get to 18U Gold ball, it gets real.  Many kids that excelled at 16U get to Gold ball and either get it done or don't.  I have seen players that have verballed to Big School U and wonder how in the heck did that happen.  You just went 0-3 against our uncommitted pitcher.  It has been said in other post, it's all about the TB coaches pimpin' their players.  Now we wonder why some of these schools suck so bad.  They verballed a kid that peaked out in 8th grade!

I saw a kid that committed to a northeast mid major school in 8th grade that went 2-32 last spring, and I would ask the parents: This is your kid's dream school???  Really!  Look me in the eye and tell me truth.  They probably cannot even pronounce the name of the school or know where it is on a map.

Too bad these coaches miss out on these great players that bloom later than others, grow 6 inches their sophomore year, gained HR power, developed a nasty rise ball, etc.  The big schools "have run out of many" for many of these players, but hey I can offer you a spot but I ain't got no money.

The insanity will continue until....
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This is my point always.  I want to know if you hang with the best before you go committing to some major school. Many of these players have not been tested.  How can you gauge the real athletic skills of kid if they haven't played the best at the top level. Once you get to 18U Gold ball, it gets real.  Many kids that excelled at 16U get to Gold ball and either get it done or don't. 
And, if you aren't playing at PGF and Boulder, you aren't playing at the P5-preparatory level
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Fiftytwosdad what does TB stand for? When did girls in middle school start committing? Who is really to blame for early recruiting? Who was the first coach to offer a middle schooler?
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In this situation, the parents are the problem????  Do people even know the background?  Both her parents are both former UF athletes.  They know what it takes to get there and succeed.  

Dad was a basketball player, top 10 NBA draft pick, 12 year career, won an NBA championship. Made $50M+ in his career.  Mom was a track and field athlete.  They know what they're doing when it comes to sports. For some people and families it's music, or art, or rebuilding cars, or farming, or whatever.  For them it's athletic competition and this girl and her parents are being beat up all over the place.  And a lot of the hate is from parents of kids who wish they were in this position.     

People are going nuts over this without doing the math - mom & dad were both UF athletes, they have plenty of $$$, this isn't about a scholarship. This is about a great kid and player who wants to play for the school her parents went to and near where she grew up (she lives in FL).  

And it's a verbal - nothing in writing, nothing concrete.


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People are going nuts over this without doing the math - mom & dad were both UF athletes, they have plenty of $$$, this isn't about a scholarship.


Do what?

I see people interested in the mess softball recruiting is becoming..............I don't recall anyone saying anything about math in this stuff - except you............I do see people implying the egos of the parents are ridiculously out-of-whack..............The parents' background has nothing to do with this...........Their egos do..........The scholarship is what feeds their egos..........


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So, accepting a verbal when they're at the age they should be learning skills is what you agree with as "what it takes"?

The truth is, travel-ball and college coaches should encourage kids to make their visits instead of keeping the kid from doing so by taking advantage of the egos of the parents.............I urge parents to wake-up and don't fall for this scourge on softball..............Only the parents can stop it............
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I'm really confused how this early recruiting mess is caused by parents. There is no doubt parent egos are a contributing factor but in reality they control nothing. The parents can not invite themselves and their 8th grade daughters onto campus. They can not offer themselves free football tickets and a tour. They can not offer their child a softball scholarship 4,5 or now 6 years in the future. This can be controlled and stopped by the coaches but so far all I see is a lot of lip service about how bad it is for the sport and then I watch the biggest programs offer younger and younger.

Over the top parents are certainly a problem in youth sports but this craziness is owned by the people controlling it. THE COACHES.
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Outofzone said...........


I agree...........

7th and 8th grade recruiting in softball is gaining steam - big-time............

The blame should be put on all - coaches, colleges, travel-ball teams and parents............I understand the -  parents are the problem, though..........The only way this can be stopped is through the parents............There's no doubt about that...........

And, I can say from working with players and parents in this age-group, it's not gonna be stopped anytime soon...........In fact, it's gonna get much worse............And, it's because of the egos of the parents..........

This stuff is making a joke out of recruiting............Most, not all, travel-ball teams no longer look to improve the skills of players.............Heck, most coaches aren't even coaches - they're travel agents..........

The travel-ball practices I see are of the rah-rah, hit 'em some ground balls and show me what you got variety..........Maybe get a coupla swings and hope a ground ball gets through............It's a - come play for us and get some exposure mentality............On top of that, team coaches are charging money for individual lessons and teaching the players the same rah-rah stuff....................They'll hit 'em a few ground-balls and put a ball on a tee and have 'em hit it............

The pitching on any level before high school is nowhere near a test for softball players.........With the exception of the six-foot pitcher who no young kid can hit..........And, that kid pitches on a team full of slappers and they get the trophies..........

When kids should be learning how-to-play, they're, now being recruited...........So, who's mostly to blame?...........The ones who are causing it and are the only ones who can stop it - the parents................If they say "no", it stops.........   




I would say I disagree with about every word in your post.  

So a parent is supposed to turn down 100k or maybe close to 200k if she's out of state.  Is that kid or any kid going to a bad college??  Is she going to a bad softball program??  Why wouldn't a kid take an offer that a college coach presented them.  If she's that great of a student and education matters that much she will be going to school longer than the 4 years anyway so she can always get masters or other degrees at other schools after her playing days.  Is the Florida degree bad??

An SEC coach told me the kids are alcoholics, the parents are alcoholics, the travel ball coaches are alcoholics and the college coaches are alcoholics.  The only problem is everyone knows they are alcoholics besides the the college coaches.  That is maybe the best line I have heard regarding this subject. 

It starts and stops with the college coaches, they quit inviting kids on campus, quit making offers the problem is solved that easy.  Wouldn't kids and maybe even parents not look up to a Coach Walton or a Coach Gassco or Coach Lawson or a Coach Hutch or Coach Perry or Coach Candrea.  So someone like that presents them an offer and tells they believe in them and they think they can do it at that level why would the parents not trust them, we are supposed to trust college coaches right?  How many kids verballed to a college without an offer?  Kids, parents and travel ball coaches don't have the power, the college coaches do.

I would add that it's likely college coaches do their jobs way better than say men's basketball coaches.  So I really don't even think there is that great of a problem.   In the last year or two we have seen the first waves of early commits get through college.  I don't have any stats on this but I am guessing softball coaches are recruiting much better than men's basketball coaches.  Anyone seen the amount of transfers with MBB, I am guessing it's 5 to 1 compared to college softball and they usually don't verbal to early and have all kinds of recruiting services and way more money to help them out.  Sure you can give a story or two about how early recruiting hurt a certain kid.  But look around almost every kid on a top 25 team right now is an early recruit.  Don't think they are doing to bad.

As far as travel ball teams go, that's just a joke.  Kids are coming into college more ready to play today than any other time in this sports history.  Check like ODP numbers, the kids are bigger stronger and faster today than at any time before, girls skill level is way ahead of what girls were 10 to 20 years ago.  The game is being played at a higher level today than at any other time in this sports history.  Just about all kids in all sports work way harder than their parents or even their coaches did.  Nothing pisses me off more than a college coach like women's  basketball coach Geno A or Jeff Walz goes on a rant about today athletes are trophy kids or they don't do this or that.  Well guess what, every older generation says that about the next generation.  These kids today bust their butts like no other generation before them has...That or I have been just really lucky to be around some special kids.
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KyBandit, I have a question for you..........

If a kid gets a verbal offer in the 7th or 8th grade and the parents turn it down, will that kid be good enough to get a verbal as a high-school sophomore? 
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I'm really confused how this early recruiting mess is caused by parents. There is no doubt parent egos are a contributing factor but in reality they control nothing. The parents can not invite themselves and their 8th grade daughters onto campus. They can not offer themselves free football tickets and a tour. They can not offer their child a softball scholarship 4,5 or now 6 years in the future. This can be controlled and stopped by the coaches but so far all I see is a lot of lip service about how bad it is for the sport and then I watch the biggest programs offer younger and younger. Over the top parents are certainly a problem in youth sports but this craziness is owned by the people controlling it. THE COACHES.


Agreed..

I wonder if Bill Gates or Steve Jobs or Sue Enquist or any other successful person or coach didn't have some type of ego...Is that bad??

I am guessing most parents fell more like me when their kids commit, It feed my bank account way more than my ego.  Yes it felt great, I couldn't wait to tell family, friends co-workers etc.  But it was way better knowing my kids education was going to be taking care of and knowing we didn't have to do any more visits.  Any idea how much and avg visit to a camp or a college visit may cost.  Easily $500 to 1k if you need an overnight stay.  

Again I feel college softball is great, I don't feel it's a mess.  Could things get better, sure but it's a great game.

Want to stop some of the early recruiting and verbals.  Have schools start paying for travel expenses, like they do on official visits...I bet that slows the process down big time.

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KyBandit, I have a question for you..........

If a kid gets a verbal offer in the 7th or 8th grade and the parents turn it down, will that kid be good enough to get a verbal as a high-school sophomore? 


I would say if Florida or another top school is offering chances are YES....But the school is taking way more risk than the family right?  Yes the school can decommit a kid, but I am guessing most coaches really really don't want to have to do that.

Wouldn't it make much more sense to ask the college coach that question than me or the family.  What's the chances if she is good enough she wouldn't still say yes to Florida as a soph as well?

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I would say I disagree with about every word in your post.  

So a parent is supposed to turn down 100k or maybe close to 200k if she's out of state.  Is that kid or any kid going to a bad college??  Is she going to a bad softball program??  Why wouldn't a kid take an offer that a college coach presented them.  If she's that great of a student and education matters that much she will be going to school longer than the 4 years anyway so she can always get masters or other degrees at other schools after her playing days.  Is the Florida degree bad??

An SEC coach told me the kids are alcoholics, the parents are alcoholics, the travel ball coaches are alcoholics and the college coaches are alcoholics.  The only problem is everyone knows they are alcoholics besides the the college coaches.  That is maybe the best line I have heard regarding this subject. 

It starts and stops with the college coaches, they quit inviting kids on campus, quit making offers the problem is solved that easy.  Wouldn't kids and maybe even parents not look up to a Coach Walton or a Coach Gassco or Coach Lawson or a Coach Hutch or Coach Perry or Coach Candrea.  So someone like that presents them an offer and tells they believe in them and they think they can do it at that level why would the parents not trust them, we are supposed to trust college coaches right?  How many kids verballed to a college without an offer?  Kids, parents and travel ball coaches don't have the power, the college coaches do.

I would add that it's likely college coaches do their jobs way better than say men's basketball coaches.  So I really don't even think there is that great of a problem.   In the last year or two we have seen the first waves of early commits get through college.  I don't have any stats on this but I am guessing softball coaches are recruiting much better than men's basketball coaches.  Anyone seen the amount of transfers with MBB, I am guessing it's 5 to 1 compared to college softball and they usually don't verbal to early and have all kinds of recruiting services and way more money to help them out.  Sure you can give a story or two about how early recruiting hurt a certain kid.  But look around almost every kid on a top 25 team right now is an early recruit.  Don't think they are doing to bad.

As far as travel ball teams go, that's just a joke.  Kids are coming into college more ready to play today than any other time in this sports history.  Check like ODP numbers, the kids are bigger stronger and faster today than at any time before, girls skill level is way ahead of what girls were 10 to 20 years ago.  The game is being played at a higher level today than at any other time in this sports history.  Just about all kids in all sports work way harder than their parents or even their coaches did.  Nothing pisses me off more than a college coach like women's  basketball coach Geno A or Jeff Walz goes on a rant about today athletes are trophy kids or they don't do this or that.  Well guess what, every older generation says that about the next generation.  These kids today bust their butts like no other generation before them has...That or I have been just really lucky to be around some special kids.
exceptional, KY

I do wonder if women are more likely to "stick out" a tough situation than the guys
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exceptional, KY I do wonder if women are more likely to "stick out" a tough situation than the guys


Hard to say, the transfer rules benefit the softball greatly over the basketball player.  But not having the full rides and the financial situation being a little more muddy may play into it as well.

But to go farther on that note.  Softball doesn't really have 5 star recruits per say.  But do you think more high level softball players fail at their schools or do more 5 star football or basketball players fail.  Again no stats but sure seems like more top MBB and FB players fail than softball.
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Jen Schroeder shared a story at a camp a couple of years ago that illustrates the changes that have transpired that today's kids don't get to experience.  After her last game of the week at Colorado between her Junior/Senior she had college coaches lining up to talk to her.  How cool is that?  Because the PSA can't talk to the coaches in 9th and 10th grade all communications goes through the TB coaches and team liaisons, but 7th and 8th graders don't count.  The kids now only get to go on 1 official visit.  My kid's former coach who graduated college 4 or 5 years ago got to take all 5 official visits during her recruitment.  It's all on the parents to fund the various unofficial visits/camps.  So yeah, it gets expensive and I'm sure the schools are perfectly happy with that arrangement.


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Hard to say, the transfer rules benefit the softball greatly over the basketball player.  But not having the full rides and the financial situation being a little more muddy may play into it as well.

But to go farther on that note.  Softball doesn't really have 5 star recruits per say.  But do you think more high level softball players fail at their schools or do more 5 star football or basketball players fail.  Again no stats but sure seems like more top MBB and FB players fail than softball.

Softball has 5-star recruits, but we don't have a bunch of ratings services (run  by regular schmoes like you and me) offering up those characterizations because there is no NBA on the back end and it isn't a revenue sport. But Walton, Gasso, Murphy, White.... they all know who the 5s, 4s and 3s are

More football player fail because there are reams and reams more scholarships out there.

 

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The best way to fix recruiting is to make verbal offers binding.  If a coach verbals an 8th or 9th grader, in 3-4 years if she has developed as expected they sign her, if she doesn't develop as expected they pull her offer or reduce her percentage.  It is a huge benefit to the college coaches to verbal kids with little to no financial risk.
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I have a question for the Flo subscribers out there, is this 7th grader who verballed on a "Hot 2023" list?  If not where does their "hot" list end, '20-22?  I had never heard of Flo until one day a proud dad I know texted me a Flo write up on his dd.  I have since made it my goal to keep my dd invisible to them and we just made it though senior year official visit weekend without a peep from them.  

I'm certainly not going to lay all the blame on them but it can't help but swell player and parent egos to read all these puff pieces and see the Youtube videos with ESPN style production values.   
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I have a question for the Flo subscribers out there, is this 7th grader who verballed on a "Hot 2023" list?  If not where does their "hot" list end, '20-22?  I had never heard of Flo until one day a proud dad I know texted me a Flo write up on his dd.  I have since made it my goal to keep my dd invisible to them and we just made it though senior year official visit weekend without a peep from them.  

I'm certainly not going to lay all the blame on them but it can't help but swell player and parent egos to read all these puff pieces and see the Youtube videos with ESPN style production values.   


FloSoftball is VERY political and unless your DD plays on one of the marquee teams they will usually go unnoticed.  College football recruiting has become a YUGE ($1 to Donald Trump) business with several websites providing 24/7/365 coverage and 5* camps that a lot of the top players attend.  I always get a kick out of people referencing FloSoftball's team recruiting rankings because the best I can tell they have two employees trying to evaluate players from across the country.
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The best way to fix recruiting is to make verbal offers binding.  If a coach verbals an 8th or 9th grader, in 3-4 years if she has developed as expected they sign her, if she doesn't develop as expected they pull her offer or reduce her percentage.  It is a huge benefit to the college coaches to verbal kids with little to no financial risk.


I think that may slow it down yeah, but would cause way more harm than good.  It may end up being a bad fit both ways and who wants a forced marriage if it is a bad fit.  I mean kids can leave after they get to college why would we want to bind them to a school before they get there.  Again, no one likes to see a kid verbal their 8th grade year, but it's really not hurting the game.  There's hundred's of kids playing in college today that verballed early.  I am going to say their success rate is pretty high.

I could be wrong I just don't see a whole lot of kids or coaches backing out of their agreements unless it doesn't seem to be a fit.  Neither side is going to get it right all the time, whether they verbal in the 8th grade year or their junior year.

Most big money scholarship kids play on well known travel ball teams.  Schools are just not going to decommit a lot of kids from a big travel ball team or those teams and schools probably won't work together a whole lot.  Yes it happens but in most cases there is a good reason a team or kid breaks their verbal.
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I have a question for the Flo subscribers out there, is this 7th grader who verballed on a "Hot 2023" list?  If not where does their "hot" list end, '20-22?  I had never heard of Flo until one day a proud dad I know texted me a Flo write up on his dd.  I have since made it my goal to keep my dd invisible to them and we just made it though senior year official visit weekend without a peep from them.  

I'm certainly not going to lay all the blame on them but it can't help but swell player and parent egos to read all these puff pieces and see the Youtube videos with ESPN style production values.   


So do you want Flo to go away.  Flo is great for our game right?  With that comes some good and bad.  But the good Flo does is far greater imo.

Why keep her invisible, would it made her a worse player or you a bad parent if they wrote an article on her?  I don't know either of you but I say not.
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Why is this such an emotional topic for all of you? Unless you have a daughter involved its really irrelevant to most of us. Its a decision that each school and family has to deal with. Nothing more nothing less. If a kid id so good that a school wants to go down that path then more power to them. They own it. 
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The best way to fix recruiting is to make verbal offers binding.  If a coach verbals an 8th or 9th grader, in 3-4 years if she has developed as expected they sign her, if she doesn't develop as expected they pull her offer or reduce her percentage.  It is a huge benefit to the college coaches to verbal kids with little to no financial risk.
I think it should be binding for college coaches until signing day, with  signing day moved up one year. And if a player chooses not to sign on that day, the commitment is no longer binding for the coach
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I'm really confused how this early recruiting mess is caused by parents. There is no doubt parent egos are a contributing factor but in reality they control nothing. The parents can not invite themselves and their 8th grade daughters onto campus. They can not offer themselves free football tickets and a tour. They can not offer their child a softball scholarship 4,5 or now 6 years in the future. This can be controlled and stopped by the coaches but so far all I see is a lot of lip service about how bad it is for the sport and then I watch the biggest programs offer younger and younger.

Over the top parents are certainly a problem in youth sports but this craziness is owned by the people controlling it. THE COACHES.


Yes! The coaches are talking to the travel ball coaches and setting these unofficial visits up. They are the ones fueling the fire with these young players being recruited. They are the only ones that can stop the madness.
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So do you want Flo to go away.  Flo is great for our game right?  With that comes some good and bad.  But the good Flo does is far greater imo.

Why keep her invisible, would it made her a worse player or you a bad parent if they wrote an article on her?  I don't know either of you but I say not.
Flo is great for our game. So much exposure and conversation and webcasts.

 

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Flo is great for our game. So much exposure and conversation and webcasts.

 



Flosoftball is good for the game as long as you don't take it to seriously. The ranking are a joke. I have seen many top 20-30 players that could not start in a highly competitive team without their dads as the coach. Last Springs 2021 list was comedy gold.

Flo does promote fastpitch and stream some good games. They give exposure to the sport and that is a very good thing.
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It is not the parents and their egos.  It is tb coaches/parents/college coaches combined.

I do not care about this single kid.  Everyone's situation is unique, and she may be making the best choice for her, and that is perfectly fine.  Early commits to a school which is their (the families) perfect school will likely be fine.

Why it stinks is overall for the sport.  Parents of recruited athletes tend to get super competitive as their recruitment time comes up.  They have to leave their little local community team, get on one of the big programs or miss out on getting their kid recruited.  So they will leave their select team and go to a big recruiting team. 

Additionally, once a kid is recruited, their recruitment oriented team often moves her the recruited end of the bench.  Her playtime at showcases will go down greatly.  They will still compete for bigger tournaments, but she will compete about half as much as before getting recruited. 

Having this happen across the sport at 7th and 8th grade is just too young of an age, in my opinion.  The sport would be much better if provided time for these kids to develop and to remain competing.  

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So do you want Flo to go away.  Flo is great for our game right?  With that comes some good and bad.  But the good Flo does is far greater imo.

Why keep her invisible, would it made her a worse player or you a bad parent if they wrote an article on her?  I don't know either of you but I say not.


Whether I want Flo to go away or not is irrelevant and no I don't expect them to.  To me it's mainly a moderate annoyance more than anything else but not enough of one to want to put those two guys out of work.  If they wanted to come to us for a "Lukewarm 2018's" piece they were doing on my dd we'd be ok with it as my dd is a senior and mature enough to realize it doesn't amount to much in the big picture.

Exposure?  Has everyone forgotten that softball is a niche sport that barely registers with general college sports fans at all and quickly goes away after the wcws?  As a paid subscription site it's only going to have the narrowest of appeal yet I know parents to treat a Flo piece about their kid as if it were a cover story in SI or Sporting News.  I'm sure Flo is useful on some level to FB industry insiders like college and tb coaches but to me I tend to skew it slightly over to the more harm then good side for the sport overall.

Just for kicks I googled a couple of local kids I know who were dominant pitchers in local travel ball scene between 10u and 12u to see if Flo wrote anything about them.  Yep, it said all the usual stuff about how they got interest from this U and that U and how the coach of the U they committed to loved their attitude and composure in the circle.  Even by the time it was written, 2014 or so, most of the travel parents in my area knew these kids peaked as pitchers at 14u.  As college freshmen today one made it to the P5 school she committed to as a freshman and the other got caught up in the washing machine of P5 coaching turnover and is now at a D3 school.

Over on the ACC thread there's multiple posts about how the ACC and B10 suck overall and aren't likely to get better anytime soon.  I've had the feeling for awhile that if any of the lower division schools in those conferences could just put a good mid-major quality product on the field their fortunes would improve dramatically but they're caught up in playing the same recruiting game the SEC and PAC10 are playing and getting their leftovers to commit as 8th and 9th graders.  But that would mean going to other tourneys besides PGF, IDT, Demarini, etc. and not putting so much faith in Flo articles.
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