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Will_I_Wynn

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"I have yet to see where anyone on the right has said we should legalize illegal immigrants."

Look for somebody sitting on their hands.

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     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


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"I have yet to see where anyone on the right has said we should legalize illegal immigrants."

Look for somebody sitting on their hands.


You’ll find all the dems that convinced President obama to table till after the midterms
Will_I_Wynn

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Yes, there were some Democrats who wouldn't get on board until after the election, due to the States they were from. 

The claim the Left wants open borders is a scare tactic to keep some Republicans and Independents on board.  They are scared to death these individuals will support legalizing the undocumented immigrants rather than deporting them all.  They'll do anything they can to scare them into backing off of their support and allowing the status quo to continue.  That's why some make the charge "all" on the Left want open borders.

As far as finding a person on the Right willing to openly voice support for legalization of undocumented immigrants living here now, you'll have to be a left-leaning member suggesting there aren't any here before you can spot them.

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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


spazsdad

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AZ Supreme Court strikes down in state tuition for illegals.
The way it should be. A glimmer of common sense. Hopefully more to come. Take away enough freebies and maybe they stay in their sh ithole countries

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TheNarrator

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I voiced it before you supposedly drug it out of anyone. You have no power here. And then you constantly lied about it.
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Scared to death?  I am not scared to death.

But, you're a country or  you're not.  It's not hard to understand.

Should Mexico allow unfettered illegal immigration from the US?


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The claim the Left wants open borders is a scare tactic to keep some Republicans and Independents on board.  They are scared to death......
Will_I_Wynn

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US shouldn't allow unfettered immigration either but apparently you refuse to hear that.

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The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


TheNarrator

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You just said it and are as free to say it as much as you would like.
Will_I_Wynn

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Both sides agree our border must be secure.  The debate in this Country is whether to deport all those here or allow some/many to be given legal status.  As I said, the Right doesn't want to have that debate as they are afraid they may lose it.  So back to the "favor unfettered immigration" false claim instead.
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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


keepinitreal

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Quote:
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"I have yet to see where anyone on the right has said we should legalize illegal immigrants."

Look for somebody sitting on their hands.


Who the phuck sits on their hands?  Some libtard loony Duaine La Mirada saying.  Because 'the right' doesn't do what Duaine Osborne wants them to do he breaks out with 'sitting on their hands'.  I'd like to do something with my hands around that mole

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keepinitreal

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Quote:
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US shouldn't allow unfettered immigration


I agree, why do the left support OPEN BORDERS?

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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
EarlyGrayce

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"Recorded machete attacks in the UK have shot up by nearly five times in just three years, with the majority in the capital, London.

The huge number of crimes committed with the deadly, sword-like weapons means there is an average of 15 a day in the UK, or one every 90 minutes.  Figures uncovered using freedom of information requests by the Daily Mail show that police dealt with 928 crimes involving machetes in the last two months of 2017.

London saw the bulk, with 425 of the attacks."


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Fresh

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2017 in the United States, from Fortune:

154 mass shootings 
6880 gun related deaths

http://fortune.com/2017/06/14/steve-scalise-mass-shooting-2017/

2017 in Britain, from www.ons.gov.uk:

188 sharp instrument(knives, machetes, etc,) related deaths

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/knifecrime

Draw your own conclusions. I conclude that guns are slightly more lethal, by a few thousands percent. 

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TheNarrator

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Machetes are only made to kill.

Ban them.
Lost_1

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresh
2017 in the United States, from Fortune:

154 mass shootings 
6880 gun related deaths/ 325.71million (Population of US 2017) = .0000211

http://fortune.com/2017/06/14/steve-scalise-mass-shooting-2017/

2017 in Britain, from www.ons.gov.uk:

188 sharp instrument(knives, machetes, etc,) related deaths/ 66.57 million (Population UK 2017) = .000028

https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/transparencyandgovernance/freedomofinformationfoi/knifecrime

Draw your own conclusions. I conclude that guns are slightly more lethal, by a few thousands percent. 





Your conclusion is wrong

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Will_I_Wynn

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Gorsuch sides with four left leaning Justices in latest opinion on immigration.  Vague rules make for bad policy.


https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/17/immigration-ruling-gorsuch-528749

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A gullible nation is a vulnerable nation.  Challenge what you read on the internet.  Our nation's security is in our hands.  Don't be duped by misinformation.

The Right in here are quoting posts and changing words.  Please search for original post if accurate information is desired.  Also, claims I moderate this discussion forum are untrue.

Obama voted best job as President during our lifetime.

     "In these times, I believe that social media has become evil."
Not sure we must blanket all social media but when anonymous adults attack other anonymous adults on the internet, one has to wonder what chance our kids have.

 Trump should be honest with the American people.


keepinitreal

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good to have you on board, trump makes good decisions.  Proof again that the left supports illegal criminals over American citizens
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"Getting your motor revved about taking our guns is going to be what undoes your efforts."

"I like to establish the parameters of my own thoughts and don't think I need a director."

"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
uwApoligist

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Dems love them some Armed Robbers.   That is going to play well in the election cycles.
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TheNarrator

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Would love to hear Dewey, fresh or Vance defend this one:

Gorsuch agreed with the court's four Democratic-appointed justices that a clause in federal law allowing the deportation of foreigners found guilty of "a crime of violence" is unconstitutional because it is overly vague.
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Would love to hear Dewey, fresh or Vance defend this one: Gorsuch agreed with the court's four Democratic-appointed justices that a clause in federal law allowing the deportation of foreigners found guilty of "a crime of violence" is unconstitutional because it is overly vague.


I find it refreshing to remind the partisan liberals in here, chief among them Dewey, that only those of us on the right are capable of being principled.

Blue team/blue team.

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uwApoligist

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Would love to hear Dewey, fresh or Vance defend this one: Gorsuch agreed with the court's four Democratic-appointed justices that a clause in federal law allowing the deportation of foreigners found guilty of "a crime of violence" is unconstitutional because it is overly vague.

Just a slight point.  Dimaya legally immigrated in 1992.   He was a US citizen. 

The laws in question, I believe, allow the federal government to deport a US Citizen that had naturalized from another country.    They are using the 'residual clause' of the Immigration and Nationality Act.  Here is the language: " "any other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense." 

This is really all dopey Dem lawyer shenanigans.  They got a couple of cases heard a couple of different ways.  One car theft was clearly at gun point, and that guy was determined to be violent and deported.  The other was way more shaky circumstances, maybe knife was reported or found, but the perpetrator was stealing a car to get a drug debt payed, and a court found that to not violent, and he was not deported.  Now they are saying that is proof of vague language.  That would apply to our entire criminal system.

Anyway the language appears to be clear to me, not sure why they have to argue over the meaning of violent.  We know what is violent and what is not.

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Just a slight point.  Dimaya legally immigrated in 1992.   He was a US citizen. 

The laws in question, I believe, allow the federal government to deport a US Citizen that had naturalized from another country.    They are using the 'residual clause' of the Immigration and Nationality Act.  Here is the language: " "any other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense." 

This is really all dopey Dem lawyer shenanigans.  They got a couple of cases heard a couple of different ways.  One car theft was clearly at gun point, and that guy was determined to be violent and deported.  The other was way more shaky circumstances, maybe knife was reported or found, but the perpetrator was stealing a car to get a drug debt payed, and a court found that to not violent, and he was not deported.  Now they are saying that is proof of vague language.  That would apply to our entire criminal system.

Anyway the language appears to be clear to me, not sure why they have to argue over the meaning of violent.  We know what is violent and what is not.




Apparently not, as a society were are not even sure what the definition of "is" is.

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Would love to hear Dewey, fresh or Vance defend this one: Gorsuch agreed with the court's four Democratic-appointed justices that a clause in federal law allowing the deportation of foreigners found guilty of "a crime of violence" is unconstitutional because it is overly vague.


What's to defend? In order to deport a legal resident of a "crime of justice", the "crime of justice" must be delineated as such. No guessing or allowing lower courts in Texas to decide jaywalking is a "crime of violence". Comprende senor? Your boy Gorsuch agrees. Might be some hope.

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Just a slight point.  Dimaya legally immigrated in 1992.   He was a US citizen. 

The laws in question, I believe, allow the federal government to deport a US Citizen that had naturalized from another country.    They are using the 'residual clause' of the Immigration and Nationality Act.  Here is the language: " "any other offense that is a felony and that, by its nature, involves a substantial risk that physical force against the person or property of another may be used in the course of committing the offense." 

This is really all dopey Dem lawyer shenanigans.  They got a couple of cases heard a couple of different ways.  One car theft was clearly at gun point, and that guy was determined to be violent and deported.  The other was way more shaky circumstances, maybe knife was reported or found, but the perpetrator was stealing a car to get a drug debt payed, and a court found that to not violent, and he was not deported.  Now they are saying that is proof of vague language.  That would apply to our entire criminal system.

Anyway the language appears to be clear to me, not sure why they have to argue over the meaning of violent.  We know what is violent and what is not.


This is really all dopey Dem lawyer shenanigans.
From the guy that loves denny and all his dopey, criminal lawyer shenanigans. Hypocrite.

We know what is violent and what is not.
No, we have a judicial system because most situations are not as cut and dried as you suggest. Good ruling, just have the law written so the applicable offenses are spelled out before shipping someone to another country for a vaguely worded offense. 

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This is really all dopey Dem lawyer shenanigans.
From the guy that loves denny and all his dopey, criminal lawyer shenanigans. Hypocrite.

We know what is violent and what is not.
No, we have a judicial system because most situations are not as cut and dried as you suggest. Good ruling, just have the law written so the applicable offenses are spelled out before shipping someone to another country for a vaguely worded offense. 

He walked into peoples houses twice, with a gun.  Keeping him is a bad idea.  I hope he goes to your house next.  Best of luck.

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That fire poker will be no match
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Pop n fresh likes getting poked
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The illegals invasion finally reaches the TJ border. Looks like a real sausage fest of able bodied men. Where's the innocent chillens?


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I hope Dems get highly rewarded for the onslaught on the American worker that they support.
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That hoard of wanna-be illegals was actually camped out in TJ for a week or so. They were giving them classes on how and what to say when they got to the border to try and pass off their bogus claims of asylum.
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