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I think the fact this Country doesn't simply dump these children back on their own ground adds credence to the phrase American Exceptionalism.

Your President has said he doesn't believe in American Exceptionalism so you can hardly use that as an argument to support your view. You can't have it both ways.
Put them on a bus and send them back. We are a compassionate people but when others take blatant advantage of that compassion they are playing you for a fool and we have a duty to protect our country and our lifestyle. The US is a melting pot but the libs are turning it into a gravy train.
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Have you ever seen what the Mexican Government does with illegal aliens?


I think the fact this Country doesn't simply dump these children back on their own ground adds credence to the phrase American Exceptionalism.


Dewey, it is not exceptional to let other counties dump millions of their citizens into our society.

It is not exceptional to use millions and millions of our citizens tax dollars to educate, feed, and house these children.

It is not exceptional to give all the illegal aliens amnesty.

We are no longer a country at this point. We have no borders. Illegals travel freely around our states. They take American jobs. Many pay no taxes. They raise their children here, using our tax dollars to educate them. They get taxpayer subsidized health care, housing, and food stamps. Some are criminals and narco gangs who commit crimes and jump back and forth across the border at will. We are a dumping ground. Our cities will become 3rd world in many places, and walled armed camps for wealthy Americans. The average American was dumped by Liberals who want dependent voters, and Chamber of Commerce RINOS who want cheap labor. Just open the border and let all of Mexico, Central, and South America walk right in. That is what President Obama intended when he ordered government agencies to hire escorts for illegal children. This "humanitarian crises" was planned in advance. The "refugees" are flooding in. Notice how suddenly the MSM who support this administration is using "new speak". I am sure that next these "refugees" will need "political asylum" to escape the wars, and economic depression that has gripped their own countries. Hasn't the MSM been reporting about that around the clock? No? Well that can change real quick. Just a phone call from the WH will suddenly have the Sunday Shows outlining a case to allow millions of "refugees" to walk into our country. Now that's exceptionally twisted.





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You Liberals crying for open borders for the most part, don't live on the border. You are therefore insulated from illegal immigration. You are immune from the local costs involved, both economic, and in lives lost. So unless you live down here, and bear the burden, STFU about "immigration reform". You know nothing, and are better suited to eating bandwidth and scones at a Starbucks than telling me what I should feel. Arrogant Pissants.

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More

Ex:

Vaccine-preventable diseases like chicken pox, measles and whooping cough spread like wildfire among unvaccinated children. Other illnesses, along with scabies and head lice, also thrive as children are transported by bus and herded into crowded shelters – courtesy of the federal government. Treatment costs are borne by taxpayers.

Our public health departments complain of being overtaxed by a dozen cases of measles or whooping cough. How will they cope with thousands of patients with many different, and uncommon, diseases? Americans, especially Medicaid patients, will see major delays for treatment.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/deadly-diseases-crossing-border-with-illegals/#R7krkEWZUO6GhsA6.99

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It is not exceptional to use millions and millions of our citizens tax dollars to educate, feed, and house these children.




Immigrants and the economy.
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Dewey, this a pro immigration group. 
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You Liberals crying for open borders for the most part, don't live on the border. You are therefore insulated from illegal immigration. You are immune from the local costs involved, both economic, and in lives lost. So unless you live down here, and bear the burden, STFU about "immigration reform". You know nothing, and are better suited to eating bandwidth and scones at a Starbucks than telling me what I should feel. Arrogant Pissants.

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Dewey, this a pro immigration group. 


duh

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Go west, young illegal alien!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/22/border-patrol-to-fly-hundreds-illegal-immigrants-from-texas-to-california/

Two flights with 140 illegals on each flight are headed to Southern California, and will continue every three days. Your tax dollars at work.

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Dewey, this a pro immigration group. 


Yeah I was looking for an anti-immigration link and then I realized who in this nation is against immigration.
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WORD-OF-MOUTH EXODUS TO USA...
CENTRAL AMERICAN MEDIA SCRAMBLE
Honduran President: Illegals come in search of amnesty...
White House Admits 'Rumors' Motivating Crossings...
Migrants amassing at Rio Grande's edge...
Thousands stuck in Mexican stash houses...
Feds looking to shelter in New York...
CHICAGO: In A Former Monastery?!
Biden Hints Some May Get Citizenship...
Hundreds of Infants, Toddlers Under 2 Years Old Apprehended...
Cartels Use Influx as Cover...

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Adding posts from Masare and FIB because this is where they belong. [smile]

Masare
Posted an hour ago                 #24
I think borders should be just that and laws for entering any country should be upheld and enforced. I think President Obama was given a situation by his predecessor of an open border (wink, wink) policy that allowed just enough workers to enter the country to make CEO and presidents as well as small business owners happy. I think drug cartels know that this is a damned if you do /damned if you don't situation and they are taking advantage of it.
If that puts me against you monkeys who have steel, closed minds ....then there it is! Oh and most of the country...you don't own those minds!


ForeverInBlue
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Thank you Masare! We are actually very close to agreeing on this. A few minor points - the migrant / guest worker program predates Bush by many years, and works to the benefit of US business but also to the benefit of the workers themselves, their families, and the countries they come from. In fact all Americans - including the Communists and word-wrangling wanna-be philosopher-poets - benefitted throughout their lives from the use of this cheap labor primarily in the form of substantially lower food costs. (Odd how they demagogue the CEOs while enjoying the fruits (and vegetables and meats) of that same system.) We all grew up as beneficiaries of the (wink wink) system.

And yes, the cartels are gaming the system, but that's much easier with a POTUS who decides not to enforce the law on the border. As a proponent of borders, laws, and enforcement, I'm sure you understand that failing to enforce the law will likely create issues like we are seeing today. Many on the left try to paint the right as being anti-immigration, and that's simply not true. The right believes we should have a border with laws that are enforced, just like you do. An orderly immigration system is more likely to weed out the criminal element while encouraging good people join Americans in their quest for a better life

I'm pleased to know that we are largely in agreement on the fundamental issues regarding immigration policy, and that you, like me, oppose a reckless and lawless policy that allows child molesters to cross our border.

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Dewey, this a pro immigration group. 


Yeah I was looking for an anti-immigration link and then I realized who in this nation is against immigration.


We have said so many times, enforce the borders, go through the process, welcome to the U.S.  Nigeria, Russia, Iraq, India all send good solid wanna be citizens here and go through the process to become citizens.  It's easier for the left, as dewy just did, to castigate the people of this country that want controlled borders.  In other words, it's easier for him to lie than speak of closing the borders BEFORE there is a path to citizenship for these illegals.

to dewy and many on the left, it is black and white.  You are either for MS-13 and child molesters and those with disease streaming across our borders or you are anti-immigration.  Their lies know no bounds


 [image]This is not immigration

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In many of grizzly's links are gems such as this.  If you want this stopped and see the horrors and problems this causes for our country then the left calls you "anti-immigration".

 

Hundreds of infants and toddlers ages 2 years or younger have allegedly been apprehended by U.S. Border Patrol while crossing the border illegally without a parent or guardian in the past year.

From October 1, 2013 to June 11, Border Patrol detained 378 unaccompanied children ages two or younger, according to data obtained by Fusion from the office of a high-ranking Democratic senator. Of those children, 95 were infants under 1 year old.

Fusion tried multiple times by phone and in writing to confirm the reports with U.S. Customs and Border Protection and the Department of Homeland Security, but no official would comment specifically, and instead referred to a previous statement. The Department of Health and Human Services, charged with the care of unaccompanied minors caught at the border, did not respond to a request for comment.

Omar Zamora, a spokesperson for the Border Patrol’s Rio Grande Valley sector, limited his comment to: “We are receiving children of all ages.”

Official data from last year shows that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement logged 27 deportations of children under the age of two, suggesting the federal government has processed infants in the past.

Emily Butera, a senior program officer at the Women's Refugee Commission, said she has seen unaccompanied babies in the shelter system in past years, but that the problem is getting worse. She said the youngest kids are sometimes sent across the border with older siblings, or with paid smugglers.

Butera said the average age of an unaccompanied child migrant is now 14 years old, younger than in previous years. “And we’re seeing more babies and toddlers than we had in the past,” she said.

The phenomenon puts an exclamation point on the greater immigration crisisalong the U.S.-Mexico border. Roughly 52,000 unaccompanied minors have been apprehended at the border since October 2013, an increase fueled largely by people fleeing Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador.

In response to what the White House has called an “urgent humanitarian situation,” the Obama administration on Friday announced major policy changes to step up enforcement of existing immigration laws.

Deputy Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas told reporters that his department is searching for locations to open new detention centers that are suited to house adults with children. He said the government will expand the use of alternatives to detention, such as electronic monitoring devices, to track migrants who are released from custody.

Many recently arrived migrants have reportedly been released from custody to stay with relatives. They are instructed to report to the nearest immigration detention center for processing. Mayorkas on Friday could not provide an exact number of immigrants who have been released to family members and asked to return to custody.

He did, however, say that more immigration judges and asylum officers will be sent to the border region to help speed up processing.

The government’s enforcement beef-up comes as the White House tries to combat the misperception south of the border that Central American migrants can enter the U.S. legally if they are traveling with children. Between last October and the end of May, 39,000 adults with children have been apprehended at the border, Mayorkas said.

The flood tide has forced the Obama administration to pursue coordinated strategies on both sides of the border. Vice President Joe Biden traveled to Guatemala on Friday to enlist Central American leaders for help. He phoned Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernández to say that child migrants are not eligible for deportation relief under the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. The White House did, however, offer an additional $10 million to Central American governments to re-integrate young migrants who are sent back to their home countries

White House Domestic Policy Director Cecilia Muñoz said Biden’s trip is to combat the “misinformation that is being deliberately planted by the criminal organizations… about what people can expect if they come to the United States."

Republicans blame Obama’s immigration policies for triggering the influx of Central American children.

“The policies of your administration have directly resulted in the belief by these immigrants that once they reach U.S. soil, they will be able to stay here indefinitely,” House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) wrote in a letter to President Obama on Friday.

The letter called on the president to deploy National Guard troops to “deal with the needs of these children and relieve border patrol.” Mayorkas said the administration was reviewing the letter, but that the National Guard is not normally deployed in situations like this.

The White House hopes increased law enforcement will slow the migrant rush. But Democrats and immigrant-rights groups hope the increased effort won’t result in mass detentions.

“We don’t want to be warehousing young children,” said Karen Tumlin, the managing attorney for the National Immigration Law Center.

“There are alternatives to detention like ankle bracelets and supervision to manage the backlog in processing that are much more humane and cost-effective than taxpayer-funded public or for-profit detention centers,” said Douglas Rivlin, a spokesman for Rep. Luis Gutiérrez (D-Ill.)

Infants and toddlers represent a small fraction of the unaccompanied children detained at the border, but they present a unique challenge, authorities say.

“Apprehending infants and children can be difficult for Border Patrol agents; our facilities are not designed with people that young in mind,” said Shawn Moran, a spokesperson for the National Border Patrol Council. “We often have minimal amounts of diapers, formula, and other items for the care of infants and toddlers.”

Geneva Sands contributed reporting to this story.


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The Senate has passed an immigration reform bill.  It greatly increases border security and it includes workplace enforcement.  Fourteen Republicans voted for the bill.  This talk that one side doesn't want border security is just that, a bunch of talk.  We have a bill but instead one side prefers making wild accusations regarding our supposed desire to allow gang members and child rapists to enter our Country.  These accusations cover up their real argument and that's to deport the millions of undocumented immigrants that are here today.  It's not going to happen and most of us understand we can't and shouldn't deport all these folks.  Instead, we have moved on to finding a solution and the Senate bill does a lot to address our immigration problems.  Stop denigrating the opposition with blatant and inaccurate characterizations and put this bill into law today.
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We have laws that aren't being enforced. Now Dems want more laws that won't be enforced, or might be, at Obama's discretion. Maybe if Americans trusts Obama things would be better, but since he doesn't enforce the laws in place, why trust him with more laws?.
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The article was written 1 year ago, the vote taken was 1 year ago.  Is the bill still a 'live' bill or are you just rehashing old news?  You said the bill increases border security.  Did it?  I think the bill died in the house, I'm so confused with your 1 year old article.  Enforce the borders first!!  The House knows that won't happen, I would vote against it also.  This administration has already confirmed what we all knew, they are not interested in border enforcement, they just proved it.
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Obama seems to think, and Dewey apparently agrees, that flooding the country with tens of thousands of illegal immigrants will persuade Americans to let them all stay. In fact, the opposite is already happening. The worse this gets, the stronger the backlash will be against illegal immigrants, and liberals and Democrats. This explains why the government is doing everything they can to block media access to the disaster that's taking place.
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...and so it continues.


"You guys just don't care about border security."

"Uhh, yes we do.  We're in full support of a bi-partisan bill to add more resources to securing the border and it includes workplace enforcement to boot."

"Oh, but we don't believe they'll do it."




So I ask you, who really cares about border security?  How do you argue with a thought process like this?  I repeat, it's not about border security, it's about deportation.  Don't get lost in all the fog.  They can't be more direct and simply go around chanting "deport them all", "deport them all".  It doesn't have a winning ring to it.  Instead it's easier to suggest Democrats don't care about gang members gaining entry and children being raped.  They think scaring citizens, or accusing some of them of supporting harm to our children, will sell better  Not a chance, imo.  Too many of us support the bill pending which goes a long way towards solving a very difficult problem.  Twisting our support into a theme accusing us of inviting child molesters into the Country is more than ridiculous and blatantly offensive.

Now have a good day.
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close the border

p.s. use the National Guard if need be.  Quit dicking around with the U.S. Senate and the failed obama administration, esp. eric holdthis.  Rick Perry needs to call out the Texas National Guard, close the border, piss on those who don't want our borders closed

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1.3 million a week Texans will be spending on the lice and scabies infested illegals. #DPSsurge
They are telling our doctors to brush up on illnesses that they may have only seen in textbooks. Why is the obama administration demonizing Texas?

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Governor perry of Texas has invited barack to come visit the Texas border and see what's actually going on on our border. Do the readers think he will accept the invitation or will he go golfing instead?
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Dewey -

What is "immigration reform"?  To me, it seems like synonyms for amnesty.  So, if you made it here before now, presto changeo you are now a legal resident.

Does that not encourage more illegal immigration?

Or, if you want to encourage more, just have the POTUS announce that he will selectively enforce the law (as in - "we will not deport you if you're under age 26"), and the world will listen, and stream in, in the hopes that there will be "reform" - ie amnesty - again in a few years.

Immigration Reform - call it what it is.
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Dewey - do you believe that we should build a more secure border fence/wall/divider so that we can properly secure the border in addition to adding more resources?
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pabar - I don't understand the property rights of others enough to know where we can build a fence and where we can't.  I don't understand all the ramifications of a fence to sit here and say yes we should build one everywhere or,  no, we shouldn't have a fence.  I remember President Reagan being against a fence but I'm not sure that can be applied in all places these days.  I've never even visited these borders so I should be the last one to draw up the rules on fencing.  Instead, I'm supporting Republicans and Democrats who have passed a bill to increase resources and include employer enforcement.  They've done a lot of work to find the answers and I think this will do a great deal to increase border security and reduce illegal immigration.

Now let me ask you if you think the House should put this bill to a vote?  A yes or no would be appreciated.

mikec - Please explain to the readers how you understand Obama's approach to the deportation of young undocumented immigrants.  I think you're sweeping statement is incorrect.  Secondly, care to answer the above question as well?  Lastly, employer enforcement will reduce immigration.  Why won't you support the Senate bill?  Do you not want to do reduce these people coming across the border to work?
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You didn't answer the question so let me ask it differently.  Do you think building a fence would stem the tide of illegal immigration and do you think that's a good thing?  Your opinion is fine - don't need you to tell me that you don't know about property rights.
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Employer enforcement is a joke.  E-verify is essentially voluntary.

I need to look at the Senate bill.  I have no idea what's in it.  Given that it comes from Harry Reid, I suspect it legalizes all current illegal aliens.  The one brief article I saw said something about pathway to citizenship, which is elitism speak for amnesty. 

Your POTUS broke the law by announcing that he would not enforce the law.  The result of that illegal action is the flood of kids you see coming over the border right now.



From NBC News a few years ago:
The Obama administration announced on Friday that it would no longer seek the deportation of most young illegal immigrants, and would instead allow them to apply for work permits, a significant policy shift with potentially major electoral implications.

The Department of Homeland Security said that, effective immediately, the government would no longer seek the deportation of illegal immigrants who were brought to the United States as children.

A senior administration official said in a conference call with reporters that as many as 800,000 undocumented immigrants stand to benefit from this change.

The shift essentially accomplishes many of the legislative intentions of the DREAM Act, an immigration reform bill that had stalled in Congress due to Republican objections. President Barack Obama favors the legislation, while presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney has said he would veto that law.

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pabar - Of course building a fence makes getting from one side to the other much more difficult and yes, I'm for reducing illegal immigration.  I'm also for more legal immigration.  As for success of a fence, the Berlin Wall proved it's a significant deterrent.  Now along the river where they jet ski from one side to the other, what should we do?  I just don't know if a fence is appropriate everywhere.  Others must decide that.  Not sure what more you want me to say.
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Now along the river where they jet ski from one side to the other, what should we do? 


Snipers?  Drone strikes?  Land mines?
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mikec - I didn't hear you answer if you think the House should vote on the Senate bill.  I'm told it would probably pass.  Is this why you're against a vote?

bhblue - Next they'll come by boat like the Cubans have.  Do you think we should have put up a fence all around Florida and along our coastlines in the Gulf?  How about you...do you think the House should vote for the Senate bill?
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Does anyone think the Senate should vote on the 20+ House passed jobs bills that are still gathering dust on Harry Reid's desk?
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How many think we should enforce current laws and secure the border before taking up new immigration laws?
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