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Dewey

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steelman - I agree with Ms. Clinton.  These children need to be reunited with their parents back in their Countries. That said, there appears to be many reasons why these children have come to the US and one of them is the constant claim that Obama is allowing illegal immigration.
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http://www.infowars.com/dhs-to-pay-for-illegal-immigrants-to-be-escorted-into-u-s/

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/19/humphries-exclusive-inteview-arizona-sheriff-joe-a/

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/06/18/Border-Patrol-Official-Border-Most-Porous-That-Its-Ever-Been-Fed-Numbers-Inaccurate

Border Patrol union official says the border is the most porous it's ever been.  That would certainly make it easier to claim to have deported more illegals than the previous administration.  Just let tons of them in so you can ship 'em back and talk about how great you are.
Dewey

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Arrests of US illegals down 75% since 2000.

Illegal immigration has slowed since 2007.
ForeverInBlue

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The second article, dated 18 months ago and so hardly relevant to what's happening on the border now, has a chart of illegals living in the US, and only goes up to 2011, where the numbers are the same as 2009 when Obama took office.

The first article, from CNS, has more current data, and deals with apprehensions at the border, with this telling statement:
Since FY2011, apprehensions increased by 26%.”

Neither article makes Obama look very tough on illegals. Too the contrary, in fact.

Interesting post. Lol

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Dewey that just means more people are trying to get in, therefore there are more boarder arrests.
Nice try posing an article that is 18 months old ![rofl]
Now go back and read todays article since you trust in the American people, here is what they have to say:

President Obama's approval rating has dropped to 41 percent, a majority of Americans disapprove of his handling of foreign policy issues, he has lost support from the Hispanic community and Americans actually think his administration is less competent than the Bush White House post-Hurricane Katrina, according to a new survey from the Wall Street Journal and NBC News. 

In short, the poll is nothing but bad news for the president.

The survey would appear to be so bad, in fact, that NBC News' Chuck Todd said Tuesday that the poll basically means the public has declared the Obama presidency to be over.

"This poll is a disaster for the president," Todd said. "You look at the presidency here: Lowest job rating, tied for the lowest; lowest on foreign policy. His administration is seen as less competent than the Bush administration, post-Katrina."

"On the issue of do you believe he can still lead? A majority believe no. Essentially the public is saying your presidency is over," Todd added.


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Dewey

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Grizzly - Why in the world would I worry about an approval rating?  I only worry about a vote count.  No doubt almost all those on the Right don't like Obama and some Democrats are upset that he deports too many, has Guantanamo still open, and has supported NSA too much.  Then figure in all the poor souls who you've convinced that Obama was born in Kenya and is actually a Muslim, and I can understand a tough poll rating.  Some people have been told he doesn't care if veterans have died and kids are molested.  He's got a lot of anger and misinformation going against him.  I'd only be worried if he were going for a third term.  In any event, we'll revisit this in 2018 when America will be remembering Barack Obama as an excellent President who guided us through some of our toughest times.
keepinitreal

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Typical,

say this "I'm willing to trust the readers and my fellow citizens."

And then an hour later say this "
Why in the world would I worry about an approval rating?"

You sent the challenge with this gem "
 I suspect the majority of Americans will dismiss this claim."  Then grizzly provided the proof that the majority of Americans do not dismiss that claim and then you say you didn't want proof.  So all over the place dewy 

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Dewey

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I'm pretty certain a 41% approval rating doesn't mean 59% of Americans believe President Obama is orchestrating a march of Central American kids into the US.  With so many coming at me from various angles, all of you need to keep a closer look at which posts respond to which claims.
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Lib media has decided to start calling the illegal immigrants "refugees."

They don't really give a crap about the worst abuse of power in US history perpetrated by Obama and the IRS.

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hope they will explain to us how " illegals can be known as refugees '
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POLL: Approval of Obama's Handling of Immigration Falls to 31%...
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This is another thread where we can ask those who criticize what they would do with the children who cross the border?  Would you pick them up and carry them back to the other side and set them back down.  I believe it's currently against our law to do this but would you change the law to simply put them back on the other side?  Spell out what you think should be done and please don't suggest they absolutely wouldn't cross if you were in charge.
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Here is another example of Big Government bureaucracy run amok, this time in Customs and Border Security. This isn't just the agency, but the Internal Affairs enforcement unit. It's just crazy how lawless our government has become.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2014/06/20/231045/border-agencys-watchdog-under.html

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steelman

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Dewey the term "refugee" is usually used when people flee a war torn country. I dont know any central America country that is in a state of war. These kids are either illegal immigrants or "undocumented" according to your political view. The administration is changing the name to soften the view people have from these children. My question is what parent would allow these children make a trek that far. If we let our children walk across Mexico's border, Children protective services would take these kids away from their parents.
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Dewey

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steelman - Thanks for that but I had no comment regarding the "refugee" term as I'm unqualified to determine what's behind the arrival of these children.  Instead I wanted to know what border security should do when the kids cross?  Carry them back to the other side?
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What's behind it is the fact that Obama issued an edict in contravention of the law that no one under 26 will be deported.
pabar61

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Obama said the children can't stay.  Perhaps he should answer the question about what to do with them.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/19/obama-tells-mexico-illegal-immigrant-children-wont/

Dewey

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mikec - That's the spin from the Right.  In any event, what should we do with them?  Is this an unfair question?  I'll check back later.  Gotta go now.
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steelman 

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   #108 
Dewey the term "refugee" is usually used when people flee a war torn country. I dont know any central America country that is in a state of war. These kids are either illegal immigrants or "undocumented" according to your political view. The administration is changing the name to soften the view people have from these children. My question is what parent would allow these children make a trek that far. If we let our children walk across Mexico's border, Children protective services would take these kids away from their parents. 
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exactly, it's the difficult questions where dewy is beyond his pay grade.  He has always asked others questions but yet he chooses which questions to tackle and then he satisfies only himself if that question was answered.

Figured out a long time ago that dewy is saul alinsky, he directs the conversation

one of his favorites from wikipedia [and deals directly with this influx of poor].

"Lastly, the main theme throughout Rules for Radicals and Alinsky’s work was empowerment of the poor.[5] Alinsky used symbol construction and nonviolent conflict to create a structured organization with a clearly defined goal that could take direct action against a common enemy. At this point, Alinsky would withdraw from the organization to allow their progress to be powered by the community itself, not by Alinsky.[3] This empowered the organizations he worked with to create change for whatever issue they were battling.[2] Symbol construction, nonviolent conflict, direct action, and empowerment of the poor were the main themes of Alinsky’s work in organizer, and whether reading Rules for Radicals, or examining his work directly, they can be distinctly observed within every community he organized."

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keepinitreal

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Can you read up and educate yourself?

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steelman - Thanks for that but I had no comment regarding the "refugee" term as I'm unqualified to determine what's behind the arrival of these children.

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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
pabar61

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Originally Posted by Dewey
mikec - That's the spin from the Right.  In any event, what should we do with them?  Is this an unfair question?  I'll check back later.  Gotta go now.


Before you get an answer from anyone, you should answer yourself and determine whether you agree with Obama that they need to go back.
mikec

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They should ascertain their identity, country of origin, and next of kin, then send them to the detention center at the airport, then ship them back home.

I'm not really sure what's so hard about that.

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steelman - Thanks for that but I had no comment regarding the "refugee" term as I'm unqualified to determine what's behind the arrival of these children.  Instead I wanted to know what border security should do when the kids cross?  Carry them back to the other side?
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DEADLY DISEASES CROSSING BORDER WITH ILLEGALS

Why are such swarms entering the U.S. illegally NOW, particularly children? Newspapers in Mexico and Central and South America are actually describing U.S. “open borders,” encouraging people to come with promises of food stamps or “amnesty.” It is textbook Cloward-Piven strategy to overwhelm and collapse the economic and social systems, in order to replace them with a “new socialist order” under federal control.

Carried by this tsunami of illegals are the invisible “travelers” our politicians don’t like to mention: diseases the U.S. had controlled or virtually eradicated: tuberculosis (TB), Chagas disease, dengue fever, hepatitis, malaria, measles, plus more. I have been working on medical projects in Central and South America since 2009, so I am aware of problems these countries face from such diseases.


Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/06/deadly-diseases-crossing-border-with-illegals/#R7krkEWZUO6GhsA6.99


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Dewey, when the president / dictator Obama starts trumpeting that he is going to act on his own when it comes to amnesty, the consequence is that illegals start flooding in. When Obama says he will not enforce the law, there are intended consequences and we are seeing those right now. Obummer knows that Americans are too compassionate to turn kids away. This is all done by design.
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mikec - I agree.  As you suggest, I suspect we're processing these kids and reuniting them with family where possible.  I simply wanted to know if anyone thought we should simply carry them back across the border and set them down?

pabar - I supported a President with my vote and refuse to sit back and second guess his every decision.  I certainly don't have the answers.  It just seemed to me that if one chooses to second guess a President's decision, then one should offer up the solution as they see fit.  In other words, if you want to second guess, at least give us your guess.  I'll sit back and support Obama to find the fixes and then put them into effect.  That's good enough for me as my qualifications to know what should be done are somewhat limited.
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Dewey, I have a guess. The CIC is intentionally creating a crises in border states to attempt to force Congress to give amnesty to hundreds of thousands of future Democrats illegally entering our nation. He will use his lame duck presidency to give an estimated 30 million illegal aliens citizenship, and the right to vote as Democrats. He is flooding Red states with Democrat voters. Texas is sending DPS troopers to the border. State militias are sending armed citizens to the border. I think this is exactly what the administration was looking for in order to provoke an incident.  Sending Federal employees to the border to facilitate the illegal crossing of illegal alien children into our country is treason. I suggest they all be shipped immediately to Washington DC, and left at bus terminals. Enjoy your new found wards of the state. That's what the Democrats want, right?
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You Liberals crying for open borders for the most part, don't live on the border. You are therefore insulated from illegal immigration. You are immune from the local costs involved, both economic, and in lives lost. So unless you live down here, and bear the burden, STFU about "immigration reform". You know nothing, and are better suited to eating bandwidth and scones at a Starbucks than telling me what I should feel. Arrogant Pissants.

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Dewey

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woody - You just want to leave these kids at a bus terminal?  Uncared for?  Where would you have the bus take them?  Just across the border and then have them all get off?  These are some very tough solutions to a very difficult problem and, if Republ9cans are thinking anything like you, it makes me glad we have a Democrat in office.
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I would dump them back across the Mexican Border, and let them deal with it. Have you ever seen what the Mexican Government does with illegal aliens? Makes us look like a stupid society. Let another 30 million people walk into the US, and tell me it is a good thing to accept them. We already have at least 30 million illegals, maybe we could bus them to the Northeast, and Cali to support. We cannot accept anymore at this point. It is the Liberals turn to support these people. We are out of tax dollars, yours are more than welcome. Enjoy the illegal aliens in your gated community.

PS, you are the Sally Fields of this forum. Save the Children. Right, as long as it doesn't bother you within your gated domicile. Everyone else will have to kill off the MS 13 gang bangers. Some Animals, are more equal than others, and you Sir consider yourself the more equal of all animals. Enjoy taking care of your new family Sally.

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You Liberals crying for open borders for the most part, don't live on the border. You are therefore insulated from illegal immigration. You are immune from the local costs involved, both economic, and in lives lost. So unless you live down here, and bear the burden, STFU about "immigration reform". You know nothing, and are better suited to eating bandwidth and scones at a Starbucks than telling me what I should feel. Arrogant Pissants.

"IT'S GOOD TO BE DA KING"
Dewey

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Quote:
Originally Posted by woody
Have you ever seen what the Mexican Government does with illegal aliens?


I think the fact this Country doesn't simply dump these children back on their own ground adds credence to the phrase American Exceptionalism.
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Quote:
 I'll sit back and support Obama to find the fixes and then put them into effect.  That's good enough for me as my qualifications to know what should be done are somewhat limited.


The reason dewy says something like this to admit his ignorance is that the ploy has his support.  As long as he admits ignorance to the solution as his followers have done, says that he/they fully support "overwhelming our system".  As long as they don't second guess what obama is doing, they show 100% approval rating of obama, no matter what he does. If the man he voted for wants to bankrupt our system then he has got to support the effort.  This piece was written in 2010 and spells out exactly what obama is doing to our country, but hey, he has the blind support of his mice.  It is all planned and working according to that plan, as hammer would say "come on people".


Overwhelm the System

Claim:   Wayne Allyn Root wrote in an opinion piece that President Obama is "purposely overwhelming the U.S. economy." 

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[green]CORRECTLY ATTRIBUTED

Barack Obama is my college classmate (Columbia University, class of '83). As Glenn Beck correctly predicted from day one, Obama is following the plan of Cloward & Piven, two professors at Columbia University. They outlined a plan to socialize America by overwhelming the system with government spending and entitlement demands. Add up the clues below. Taken individually they're alarming. Taken as a whole, it is a brilliant, Machiavellian game plan to turn the United States into a socialist/Marxist state with a permanent majority that desperately needs government for survival ... and can be counted on to always vote for bigger government. Why not? They have no responsibility to pay for it. 

Read more at http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/overwhelm.asp#GEh8PwTKHz6tvirA.99

It's easier to ignore this article and it's meanings than it is to admit that obama didn't win that 2nd term because he is good for this country.  Quite the contrary, he is good for those seeking those entitlement demands.  These people are flowing across our borders because obama invited them, why would dewy 2nd guess that decision?  It would take some clear thinking to do that, I always go back to the 'obamaphone lady'.

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