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PGP - Your generation and beyond will be saddled with taxes that will be used to pay interest and hopefully principal on old federal debts. I don't blame you for being angry, and just think, the baby boomers will be on social security soon. Just crunch the numbers and it cannot sustain itself.

Right now I say F*** the White House, and the House of Reps, and the Senate. All 538 representatives and the idiot in the WH are lying, hypocritical thieves. Not one of them is immune from criticism. Eff 'em all. They all suck.


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For me I love the way the fossil fuels sound in my Harley as I go down the road....



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And me filling up my SUV and doing roadtrips whenever I feel like. It beats all those little crappy cars that the White House want us to buy from GM (you know Government Motors).


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Speaking of driving...while we were driving back from a road trip through Maryland I read of bumper sticker that all you open minded political junkies would love.  It read:  "Democrats are Traitors".  So I think the fruits are your hard fought hate-fest are ripening.  Congratulations! Bon-appetit 
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Speaking of driving...while we were driving back from a road trip through Maryland I read of bumper sticker that all you open minded political junkies would love.  It read:  "Democrats are Traitors".  So I think the fruits are your hard fought hate-fest are ripening.  Congratulations! Bon-appetit 
Would that be aything like the "hate-fest" for President Bush that got President Obama elected & continues today[it's like the energizer bunny].

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Masare, those REPS are just the flip side of the 2001 DEMS who showed great angst (and beyond!) at the "stolen" election results.
Imagine where the Nation would be had that not happened. No Irag war. No 5 trillion $ debt incurred by the Shrubbies. Better still - no Darth Vader as Republican mouthpiece, Mary Matalin referred to DC yesterday on CNN.



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old scout - The huge difference is that voters of all ilks gave President GW Bush an entire term (and a reelection) before they began their "dislike" and "disagree" campaign against the administration's policies. Most of the "Bush Haters" are in foreign countries where they burn effigies of caricatures of the man as a symbol of their hatred (correct word here) for his policies abroad. I agree that anti Bush votes really helped Obama to be elected. This current anti Obama "hate" and demonizing campaign by the far right started even before he was elected and has ripened and magnified in only 100 or so days of his administration. It's a horse of a very different color.
PS - I am impressed by the political acumen of Sarah Palin who has decided to gather the fiscal conservatives of both parties (like me) under her wing and swing votes to a more conservative base of smaller government, protection from foreign attack, and better federal money management. If she can drop the far right religious plank from her platform, she can make sense to a lot of moderates. I don't think that she can win national office (maybe senator?) but she certainly can cause a swing vote if President Obama's micro economics plan tanks in his four years.

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IMO,I don't see Sarah Palin getting elected to President or VP,but she will be a voice for many & cause the left much angst.She is what the people in UK would call a commoner or here,maybe an underdog.It would not be the first time people's support grew for a individual like that.
I understand why the left  can't stand Gov Palin ,but the dislike by other woman has surprised me to some degree.

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old scout - For better or worse, some women especially view Palin as a pretty airhead ala Saturday Night Live. Her run as a vice presidential candidate did little to dispel that notion. She is obviously more than that, and I think she will be a force for swing votes in 2010 and 2012. Her "hockey Mom" will have to change to "soccer Mom" for national effect, and her religious right plank will have to be downplayed in favor of other conservative planks.
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Would that be aything like the "hate-fest" for President Bush that got President Obama elected & continues today[it's like the energizer bunny]. 

oldscout, so this is all about revenge?  I really disagree that Obama got elected because people disliked Bush.  However, it could have been the "so?" response often used by Cheney when reporters presented the deferring opinions of the electorate to his plan for our country.  It would be helpful if politicians could remember this phrase I often use with my students:  "you can think it but you can't say it"  as they attempt to use unfriendly responses when challenged   I want elected officials who think before they decide about a solution to a problem.
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Would that be aything like the "hate-fest" for President Bush that got President Obama elected & continues today[it's like the energizer bunny]. 

oldscout, so this is all about revenge?  I really disagree that Obama got elected because people disliked Bush.  However, it could have been the "so?" response often used by Cheney when reporters presented the deferring opinions of the electorate to his plan for our country.  It would be helpful if politicians could remember this phrase I often use with my students:  "you can think it but you can't say it"  as they attempt to use unfriendly responses when challenged   I want elected officials who think before they decide about a solution to a problem.

If it was not the reason ,why did they refer to President Bush every five minutes throughout the campaign& continue to do so on a daily basis.They were very successful in making Sen.McCain another Bush.

I thought President Obama showed some class when he first said "I want to look forward,not back"& it would help our country if we did.Yet ,as they say ,"Don't believe what he says,watch what he does".
And they will ride the Bush horse until it drops dead& that will be around 2012.

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masare - I think I know where you are coming from. People didn't hate GW Bush, the man, but they sure disagreed with what he had done with his 8 years. Those are two different things. The Democrats took advantage of the unpopular status of the policies of the GW Bush administration and linked McCain with Bush throughout the campaign, saying that electing McCain would be asking for 4 more years of a GW Bush administration. Clever politics as approval results for the administration were dismal, and it did help win an election, but was not the sole reason for the Democrats' landslide win. Certainly President Obama's charisma, message of hope, and ability to speechify were major factors in the election.
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masare - I think I know where you are coming from. People didn't hate GW Bush, the man, but they sure disagreed with what he had done with his 8 years. Those are two different things. The Democrats took advantage of the unpopular status of the policies of the GW Bush administration and linked McCain with Bush throughout the campaign, saying that electing McCain would be asking for 4 more years of a GW Bush administration. Clever politics as approval results for the administration were dismal, and it did help win an election, but was not the sole reason for the Democrats' landslide win. Certainly President Obama's charisma, message of hope, and ability to speechify were major factors in the election.
JG-You really believe that there were not a large group of those on the left that flat out Hated President Bush.I personally heard people call him some of the worse names i have ever heard for a President.

As I have said before,I liked the man myself& think his heart was in the right place.I was not happy that he deserted many of his conservative values.


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I was not happy that he deserted many of his conservative values.


I was not happy that he deserted the Constitution, under which falls the right to conservative values.  Big picture....much more important....  kind of a "can't see the forest for the trees" thing for some who feel their beliefs should take precedent.


(oldscout, not directed at you specifically)
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old scout - I guess we run in different social circles. I heard numerous discussions of policy during the Bush administration (much was made of Dick Cheney and the Vulcans - later called neo cons), and an occasional reference to GW's intellect (which I disagreed with) but absolutely nothing like the invective that I have heard and read toward President Obama from folks outside my social groups. People in my social circles, even today, do not completely believe in the current administration's economics policies, but there isn't the name calling and vulgate language that I've seen elsewhere, the emotional rhetoric and demonizing.
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Wow, 

I agree there are people that are over the top with their comments and criticism of Obama, but I have not seen anything, yet, that would suggest he has suffered more that the abuse pointed towards Bush.  Remember Al Gore screaming unhinged "he played upon our fears!"?  Or how about the incessant references to lying and stealing the election? I had to laugh when Kerry and Bush were running against each other.  Kerry was touted as an elite intellectual while Bush was derided as a bumbling idiot.  The reality was that they both were C+ students at Yale...hardly anything to brag about, Bush having a slight advantage in grade point.

On a side note, as we go through the confirmation process for Sotomayor, which party has been the least civil during this process over the last thirty years?  Compare Thomas and Bork to Ginsburg.  No one ever refers to being "Ginsburged."

Having spoken thus, Frank, I also was frustrated many times with Bush, but, as you said, he certainly was not the idiot the left continues to make him out to be. 

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Charles Krauthammer. In his December 5, 2003, Washington Post article, Krauthammer described the malady known as BDS, Bush Derangement Syndrome as "the acute onset of paranoia in otherwise normal people in reaction to the policies, the presidency - nay - the very existence of George W. Bush."

Anyone that can't see the disparity in the overwhelming hatred and despicable comments about George W. Bush as compared to Obama, must have been spending time with Rip Van Winkle.  From the beginning he was labeled President Select, accused of stealing the election, planning and organizing the 911 attack, knowing about it ahead of time and doing nothing, causing Katrina as well as being responsible for a poor relief response, lying about WMD, sending Americans off to war to be killed for oil and a murderer, stupid, the devil, traitor.......there was and is no end to it.    That's far from all of it.  MG, how can you be so blind to it.
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Ahh, poor Bush!  How did he stand all the abuse?  So sad!!  Yeah maybe you all are right about him.  We should have elected him King and be done with it.  How pathetic that the people who elected Obama just don't appreciate the wonders of Bush's contributions these past years?  How could so many people miss seeing such greatness in our mist?  And the international community, what's up with that?  Poor Bush---so misunderstood!!!  You all must miss him so much...I am truly saddened at that thought of not having Bush to kick around anymore.

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Ahh, poor Bush!  How did he stand all the abuse?  So sad!!  Yeah maybe you all are right about him.  We should have elected him King and be done with it.  How pathetic that the people who elected Obama just don't appreciate the wonders of Bush's contributions these past years?  How could so many people miss seeing such greatness in our mist?  And the international community, what's up with that?  Poor Bush---so misunderstood!!!  You all must miss him so much...I am truly saddened at that thought of not having Bush to kick around anymore.

Also he is not listening to YOUR phone calls or checking YOUR emails,now that was real scary.And you are definitely much safer that's for sure.

Where do you get most your info by the way?Huffington Post...Keith,Katie,etc.Oh,I know now,you watch the view


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And me filling up my SUV and doing roadtrips whenever I feel like. It beats all those little crappy cars that the White House want us to buy from GM (you know Government Motors).



The real kick in the head to me and my mother is losing benefits that my Dad worked for while he worked at GM. My Dad worked at GM for over 34 years with the idea that when he retired things would be set and he and Mom would have insurance, vision, prescription coverage,  etc...
Well now with all of the screw ups and people doing this and that...my Mom will more than likely have to get on Medicaid....She lost her vision and dental coverage. Alot of her prescriptions have been taken away....
Its not good....any loyalty I had for GM has gone straight out the window...

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Ahh, poor Bush!  How did he stand all the abuse?  So sad!!  Yeah maybe you all are right about him.  We should have elected him King and be done with it.  How pathetic that the people who elected Obama just don't appreciate the wonders of Bush's contributions these past years?  How could so many people miss seeing such greatness in our mist?  And the international community, what's up with that?  Poor Bush---so misunderstood!!!  You all must miss him so much...I am truly saddened at that thought of not having Bush to kick around anymore.



Non responsive, the issue was not poor President Bush, it was the comparison of ridicule and hatred directed toward the two .

masare said: "It would be helpful if politicians could remember this phrase I often use with my students:  "you can think it but you can't say it"  as they attempt to use unfriendly responses when challenged   I want elected officials who think before they decide about a solution to a problem."

Do you also teach your students how to use a teleprompter? 

Are you teaching them to start saving now to pay off the huge debt Obama is piling up?  Are you teaching them patience to wait in line when they are in need of medical attention?  Are you teaching them how to apologize to the world for the wonderful country they live in and the freedoms they have?  Are you teaching them to apologize for the multitudes of Americans that have died protecting others?  Are you teaching them to apologize for the humanitarian aid America provides around the world?................or are you just teaching them to hold their hands out for the nanny government to take care of them and call VP Cheney and President Bush names?
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Wanna, do you hate Obama or just all democrats?  I have to congratulate the Bush regime for being the most divisive force in our country at least in my life time.  I think most of his followers want this divide to widen as is evident by almost all of what you write!  This saddens me each and every time I read it-- so I guess I'm done with this thread...Shalom 
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Let's see:

1) Government Takeover of the Auto Industry - Chrysler and Government Motors (LOL General Motors). Enough said.

2) Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - organizations supposed to be reviewed constantly with government oversight by Sen. Chris "Countrywide Loans" Dodd of CT and Congressman Barney "Let's play hide the Salami" Fag of MA (LOL slip of misspelling - Frank). Housing collapse is due to them ignoring the auditors that Fannie and Freddie Directors were running the business into the ground.

3) HealthCare - or should we say "ObamaCare". Face f***ing facts. It didn't work in Europe and it is not going to work here. Stupid sonofab*tch he is. It doesn't work anywhere Assh***. Get it thru your head.

4) National Defense - weakened at the stroke of a pen. When we get hit and we will so don't f***ing cry here because your liberal president who is weak on national defense and weak in being spineless to stand up to the worlds' evils has let this happen. He wants to sit across a negotiating table without conditions with our enemies. What the F*** is the color of the sky in Obambi's world? He wants we all hold hands and sing 'We are the World'. Typical Democrat weak on National Defense because he wants the world to love him. Somebody slap him in the face and tell him he's not The Messiah and that he's not Jesus Christ.

5) ACORN - bunch of crying liberal jackwads looking to get a handout instead of working for a living. F*** them!

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Wanna, do you hate Obama or just all democrats?  I have to congratulate the Bush regime for being the most divisive force in our country at least in my life time.  I think most of his followers want this divide to widen as is evident by almost all of what you write!  This saddens me each and every time I read it-- so I guess I'm done with this thread...Shalom 


Again, non responsive.  I do not, I repeat, do not, see any evidence of hate in anything I wrote.  To the contrary, look at what you write and your descriptions.  And typically, without a substantive response, you run.
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Wanna, do you hate Obama or just all democrats?  I have to congratulate the Bush regime for being the most divisive force in our country at least in my life time.  I think most of his followers want this divide to widen as is evident by almost all of what you write!  This saddens me each and every time I read it-- so I guess I'm done with this thread...Shalom 


Again, non responsive.  I do not, I repeat, do not, see any evidence of hate in anything I wrote.  To the contrary, look at what you write and your descriptions.  And typically, without a substantive response, you run.
Wanabe-That's the way those like masare respond.In most cases they run.

If you are critical of President Obama ,etc.you are a "hater" or Just plain "dumb",surely not as smart as them.If you go back through masare's posts you will see many that are very insulting to President Bush,but because like most liberals he/she walks around wearing blinders and does no wrong.


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Wanabe-That's the way those like masare respond.In most cases they run.

If you are critical of President Obama ,etc.you are a "hater" or Just plain "dumb",surely not as smart as them.If you go back through masare's posts you will see many that are very insulting to President Bush,but because like most liberals he/she walks around wearing blinders and does no wrong.

  Is that you oldscout?  Me thinks you're beginning to generalize a bit too much my friend.

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oldscout, you nailed it.  You are absolutely 100% correct (good thing I didn't say right).
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Wanabe-That's the way those like masare respond.In most cases they run.

If you are critical of President Obama ,etc.you are a "hater" or Just plain "dumb",surely not as smart as them.If you go back through masare's posts you will see many that are very insulting to President Bush,but because like most liberals he/she walks around wearing blinders and does no wrong.

  Is that you oldscout?  Me thinks you're beginning to generalize a bit too much my friend.

Dewey,You are probably right[sorry]I mean correct.I need to watch it,I want to be fair& balanced.
Interesting I read today where General Powell is changing his stance  on the president...wonder why it's not all over the news like when he endorsed him?

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Wanabe-That's the way those like masare respond.In most cases they run.

If you are critical of President Obama ,etc.you are a "hater" or Just plain "dumb",surely not as smart as them.If you go back through masare's posts you will see many that are very insulting to President Bush,but because like most liberals he/she walks around wearing blinders and does no wrong.

  Is that you oldscout?  Me thinks you're beginning to generalize a bit too much my friend.

If the guy had on shorts&a t-shirt,plus hair was snow white ,that could be me.Good looking cuss wouldn't you say?

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oldscout, where did you read that about powell?
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