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uwApoligist

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I certainly want emissions to go down.   For our environment to clean up.  But realize there is an economic aspect to it.  Once it can be done economically, everyone will do it, naturally  

That is the reason I love our current transition to Liquified Natural Gas.  It is so much cleaner than the fuels it is replacing.  And it is replacing them economically, i.e. energy prices go down.

I very much look forward to the hydrogen economy.  Where we have have major long haul trucks that every bit the power and range they have today, and only emit water in the process.  That is a real solution.  

One where having large hydrogen facilities near wind farms allows that hydrogen production and storage to be a zero footprint storage for the wind farm, while producing cheap and very clean energy for cars. 

Here is Honda's hydrogen car: 

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Here is Toyota's hydrogen car, which is actually fuel cell based. 
[2018_toyota_mirai_f34_td_403181_1600] 

Those are major products.  The left ignores them.  Because they do not require socialism.  Or require you to ride around in tiny vehicles.  Or result in crushing taxes. Or make us live like we are back in the 1400's

They just economically and effectively fix the problem. 

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Sorry, but no. Oil is irreplaceable, it is the only energy source that has NET energy. Hydrogen has zero net energy. Oil shale has negative net energy. (NET energy means that the energy that this source produces is greater than the energy released in the processes of concentration, transport, supply, and fungibility.)
Hydrogen cars are a folly, and a PR gimmick. Not scalable, and zero net energy deems them unworthy of production.

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Sorry, but no. Oil is irreplaceable, it is the only energy source that has NET energy. Hydrogen has zero net energy. Oil shale has negative net energy. (NET energy means that the energy that this source produces is greater than the energy released in the processes of concentration, transport, supply, and fungibility.)
Hydrogen cars are a folly, and a PR gimmick. Not scalable, and zero net energy deems them unworthy of production.

Oil has two functions that it is great at in energy.  First is generation of energy.  Second is mobile storage and distribution of energy.  Hydrogen has nothing to do with production.  But it is the absolute best technology for the storage and distribution. 

We will still have a production challenge.  But that can be addressed in number of ways.

Nuclear, wind, solar, can all produce hydrogen to run off their peaks.  Burn that hydrogen and you have zero emission storage.  Hydrogen will be an enabling technology for these other clean energy sources.




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You seem to be a tad muddled. I am claiming that the creation, storage, transportation, and usage of Hydrogen has zero net energy. I only mentioned oil and shale to give a couple of other energy-source comparisons for the less-informed like dewy and fresh.
Yes the 'emission' from Hydrogen is it's siren song. Doesn't matter though. It is a Zero Net Energy source, therefore will never be useful for any purpose that is currently envisioned. It's creation and usage uses as much energy as it provides.

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Wait, I thought that turning corn into alcohol, which we happen to be pretty good at here in the backwoods, was the energy future.

Brazil is an ethanol exporter.  They use corn....wait, nevermind.
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Victims of Hurricane Michael voted for climate deniers

 



You are an F'ing moron.  The conversation was serious and only expressing concerns about potential victims and then you come in here with your bullsh1t global cooling, er, global warming, er, climate change drivel.

Shut up and don't pollute every thread with your feminine ramblings.

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17 of last 18 years, warmest on record. Why do the righties resist this? I understand not giving a sh1t about your fellow man, but crispy frying and drowning your grandchildren? Makes no sense.


Men have penises.  Women have vaginas.  That doesn't change.  Why do the leftists resist this?

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Excellent point. Not sure how it applies, but, well, not really excellent. More playing to your buds. Doesn't help forward the discussion. If you have a vagina and testicles, what does that make you? Is it possible you're saying that in 17 of the last 18 years men have had less penises? Women less vaginas? I'm confused. I know I left myself open for a cheap shot with my last statement. 
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Point is, because your dumbass missed it, that liberals want to say that climate change (which used to be global warming which used to be global cooling) is "settled science".  At the same time, you promote the idea that gender is fluid.  Just another impossible paradox for you idiots - just like your support of Islam despite its despicable treatment of women and gays.

Trying having principles.  Maybe then you'll stop losing.

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I have seen many people that couldn't live within the limits you would put on traditional man, woman characteristics. I don't care who you have sex with, as long as the person is of age and it's consensual.

Climate change, global warming is undeniable and I can't understand the right's attempts to ignore it. What possible advantage is there in ignoring every reputable scientist in the world? Very curious.

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I have seen many people that couldn't live within the limits you would put on traditional man, woman characteristics. I don't care who you have sex with, as long as the person is of age and it's consensual.

Climate change, global warming is undeniable and I can't understand the right's attempts to ignore it. What possible advantage is there in ignoring every reputable scientist in the world? Very curious.


Caitlyn Jenner is a man - that is a biological fact.

If global warming is undeniable, why was its former name global cooling?  And why does the data supposedly supporting this theory keep changing and why are the purveyors of such data constantly messing with the data?

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Caitlyn Jenner is a man - that is a biological fact.

What problems does this fact pose for you? I have no problems with him living the rest of his life as a woman. Why do you?

If global warming is undeniable, why was its former name global cooling?  I don't know where you get this, I see warming as the trend of concern. And why does the data supposedly supporting this theory keep changing and why are the purveyors of such data constantly messing with the data? The data is consistent and hasn't changed.






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Mexico Beach is a beach fishing town that was built very shabbily on the waterfront............And, it's the only town that got seriously damaged in the storm.............No other town suffered any substantial damage............Trees blocking roads about it.............A weakly-built building damaged here-and-there..........

The hurricane was not a beast by any stretch.............Sustained 150 MPH winds?.....Nah!
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Global-warming is a hoax, plain-and-simple.............So is the Democratic party..........
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Mexico Beach is a beach fishing town that was built very shabbily on the waterfront............And, it's the only town that got seriously damaged in the storm.............No other town suffered any substantial damage............Trees blocking roads about it.............A weakly-built building damaged here-and-there..........

The hurricane was not a beast by any stretch.............Sustained 150 MPH winds?.....Nah!


It received the same damage that Crystal Beach suffered during Ike in Texas in 2008. 

Coastal community, fishing and vacationing.  people know what they're doing when they build on the coast, or they do now.  Every generation needs to be reminded that Mother Nature has always had a temper.  Stupid to build those expensive houses that close to the coast.

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It received the same damage that Crystal Beach suffered during Ike in Texas in 2008. 

Coastal community, fishing and vacationing.  people know what they're doing when they build on the coast, or they do now.  Every generation needs to be reminded that Mother Nature has always had a temper.  Stupid to build those expensive houses that close to the coast.


FL has the toughest building code in the country.  Much of the stuff that has been destroyed was built pre-code.
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I saw the video, the stuff that remained standing was clearly better quality.  They now will rebuild and be able to withstand the next one.  The same thing happened at Crystal Beach after Ike, where 1 house was left standing while hundreds had been washed away.  I was speaking from a standpoint of what they built, when they built it and where they built it.
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You are an F'ing moron.  The conversation was serious and only expressing concerns about potential victims and then you come in here with your bullsh1t global cooling, er, global warming, er, climate change drivel.

Shut up and don't pollute every thread with your feminine ramblings.


Damn, man: I can't help you. I do feel for those who've been hurt or lost their homes, for sure, but, yea, I'm also hoping that Hurricane Michael might knock some sense into residents of the Redneck Riviera. And, yea, it's also true that these storms highlight the poor construction in America over the last decades. One hundred and fifty-mile an hour winds will knock down even some well-built structures--but it's a fact that like most things in America, construction standards have fallen dramatically over the last century. I've had numerous contractors tell me that most new homes in America are absolutely cheap and crappy---lots of low-cost materials and low-cost building methods--and the same holds for a lot of commercial buildings as well. 

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Caitlyn Jenner is a man - that is a biological fact.

If global warming is undeniable, why was its former name global cooling?  And why does the data supposedly supporting this theory keep changing and why are the purveyors of such data constantly messing with the data?


The data has not changed at all--it has been consistent for years. The ice caps are melting, and rapidly (go read about it) and the oceans are warming and rapidly--that is a big reason why we're seeing more severe storms; they feed on warm water. 

As for gender identity, though I'm a progressive I do find a lot of the recent gender identify stuff a bit too much. I'm not inclined to refer to someone in a gender neutral way just because they don't want to be identified as a man or a woman. It's all gotten a bit absurd--but there are also gray areas and trans people, like all people, deserve respect. 

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The customs of America deserve respect.............A marriage is between a man and a woman...........
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Kazooey, the Gulf of Mexico is a warm body of water.............The Atlantic and Pacific are cold waters.............All have storms.........What confuses you 'bout that?
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Genesis 8:22 English Standard Version (ESV)

22 While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”

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have seen many people that couldn't live within the limits you would put on traditional man, woman characteristics. I don't care who you have sex with, as long as the person is of age and it's consensual.


You mean "wouldn't", and do of age animals count? I mean if people are just "born that way" then bestiality and pedophilia and necrophilia all should be ok...no boundaries, right?
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Genesis 1:27 English Standard Version (ESV)

27 So God created man in his own image,
    in the image of God he created him;
    male and female he created them.




And, "in His image" doesn't mean we're like the Creator in any way - we're not..............It means He created us as the image He had for us to look like and be like............
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Kazooey, the Gulf of Mexico is a warm body of water.............The Atlantic and Pacific are cold waters.............All have storms.........What confuses you 'bout that?


He sure doesn't have a lot of common sense

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Romans 1:26-27 ESV /

For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

 
 
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We'll get the Supreme Court to get this wrong of immoral marriage righted in our laws.............When the Republican Congress realizes they have a friendly Supreme Court, it'll happen............
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Just heard from a good friend in the Panhandle.  His town took an eyewall hit. 

He said there is no power, no gas, no water, intermittent cell service, and of course no provisions. 

He said things are probably worse than we've seen on TV, and will soon devolve if promised aid doesn't arrive soon.  He is taking care of more people than he imagined, so his supplies are dwindling.

I may head down there this week to try to restock him as best I can if help hasn't arrived.

Anyways, the moral of this is that it's pretty bad down there.  It has devastated more town than Mexico Beach.  The town he is in is about 40 miles inland, and it's still pretty impassable, and chaotic.

This was not a minor blow.
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Not arguable amongst the sane mike.

Godspeed to you sir
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