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EarlyGrayce

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30 foot waves. Maybe Cat 4. Sounds like an expensive rebuild. Wish I could afford to live on the beach. 
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Have a friend who owns rentals in Destin, she says she won't get the brunt, her friends to the east are a little nervous.  Wishing her well, Destin is a beautiful place.  Maybe this is a Sodom and Gomorrah moment for PCB
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Definitely a Cat 4, already there.  May get to cat 5.  That thing is tightening in on itself. 
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Cat 5 it is.  155.  Houses getting demolished in Mexico Beach, FL. 

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1050090556104331264?s=19

I hope Destin's friend is not taking a direct hit.  May need a bugout cycle if they do.

After several 'big' ones petered out to below Cat1 after being talked up as cat 3's, a lot of people seemed to stay this time.  The speed it came in, and the way it grew seems to have shortened the decision time.

I hope most evacuated.  155mph and 990mb is really rolling.



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175 mph at Panama City.
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3rd strongest landing in the history of the US.
Cajun navy deployed.

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Much to do about not much...........I believe there was some big-time exaggeration 'bout the wind MPH..............Very little damage for what they were projecting and saying............. 
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It was a pretty good blow from what I saw. Lot's of the significant damage I saw were ground level buildings near marinas and some beaches. Houses on 16-18' pilings seemed to be dry. If you build a small convienience store , or repair shop, you don't build a high end structure 2 cinder blocks high at sea level. I know a few tilt wall and cinder block buildings survive multiple cat 4 storms. Yep they flood, the roofs get peeled open, but the building is operational again in 2 weeks.
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Victims of Hurricane Michael voted for climate deniers

Elections have consequences. Denying science has consequences. And we are reaping what we sow.



Floridians are staring down a very powerful Category 4 typhoon that is causing extensive damage.  The high winds, heavy rains, and storm surge will cost billions of dollars.

We know that climate change is making these storms stronger.  The storms feed off of warm ocean waters, and those waters are much warmer now because of climate change. I have written about the science in more detail here and here.  But basically, Michael strengthened because it passed over really warm waters.  Waters that were hotter because of human-caused warming.

Water ocean temperatures around Florida as Hurricane Michael evolved.
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 Water ocean temperatures around Florida as Hurricane Michael evolved. Illustration: NASA EOSDIS/LANCE

Predictably, the hurricane strengthened as it hit shore.  As I write this, Michael is coming ashore and the pressure is still falling (low pressures in a hurricane signify a stronger storm).  It appears that Michael may have the third-lowest pressure for a hurricane hitting the USA.

Infrared image of Hurricane Michael
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 Infrared image of Hurricane Michael Photograph: NASA/NOAA/UW-SSEC-CIMSS, William Straka III

It is a wonder that a state like Florida, which will get pummeled by Michael, could vote for someone that denies climate change. Think of how backwards the situation is – the Florida Department of Environmental Protection has reportedly been banned from using the terms “climate change” and “global warming”. This policy reportedly went into effect when Florida elected a science denier, Rick Scott, to governor.

Rick Scott has been condemned by people in Florida for his backward stance.  It is climate denial like his that has contributed to the suffering of residents in the state.

It’s not that my colleagues haven’t tried to help Governor Scott understand how his policies hurt his state.  A few years ago, scientists met with him and urged him to take climate change seriously.  He remained silent.

It isn’t that the local media hasn’t tried. Major newspapers have called upon Rick Scott to take action on climate change.  But to little avail. Maybe it’s because Rick Scott invests in companies that oppose climate change regulations?

It isn’t that his political opponents haven’t tried.  Recently, Florida Democrats petitioned Rick Scott to acknowledge climate change.

Fortunately, while Rick Scott is now running for Senate, he’s being challenged by Democrat Bill Nelson.  He understands science and believes in facts.  Nelson writes,

Climate change is real, and we must take action to protect ourselves.  Denial of this scientific reality is simply not an option, especially in Florida.

Rick Scott isn’t the only politician from the state of Florida to reject science and diminish climate change. Senator Marco Rubio has as well.

Florida voters could put an end to this nonsense.  In the current race for state Governor to succeed Scott, Republican candidate Ron DeSantis is ignoring science.  He recently claimed that climate change is not an issue for states to mitigate.  Say what?

Let’s hope Ron DeSantis loses.  His opponent is Andrew Gillum, who is clear as day when he says,

Climate change is real, it is impacting Floridians directly, and we will not be silenced on the matter. When I’m Governor, we will not just talk about climate change -- we will put Floridians to work to make our state more energy independent and resilient and transform our state into the Solar Capital of the United States!

But it’s not just Florida; there are other states getting hit by Hurricane Michael that are also led by climate deniers. For instance, Georgia will be hit by Hurricane Michael.  One of the senators there, David Perdue, congratulated President Trump when he pulled out of the Paris Climate Accord. Georgia’s other Senator, Johnny Isakson also denies the science. He too supported President Trump’s reckless actions.

At the congressional district level, the denial continues.  Republican Representative Barry Loudermilk was pleased when President Trump walked away from the Paris Agreement. His opponent, Flynn Broady trusts and understands science, however.  His position could not be any clearer as he writes,

We have the technology and knowledge to develop and place into practice renewable energy sources, reduce carbon emissions, and move our energy needs away from carbon fuels. We owe it to the world to participate in the Paris Agreement and the Kyoto Protocol. As the leading industrial nation we must lead the effort.

Climate deniers will try to say this article is gleeful about a hurricane.  It is not.  First of all, this hurricane and all hurricanes that hit land can cause death and destruction.  I pray that people heed warnings and get out of the way. I hope people stay safe, regardless of their understanding of climate change and its effect on storms.

Second, elections have consequences and if we as a society want to create a better world and reduce climate change, we have to vote for people who understand science, who believe in facts.  Climate deniers are making these storms worse by stopping action on climate change. What the hell do we expect to happen when the deniers are writing the laws?

Third, for those who say “taking action on climate is too expensive”, how about you add up the worldwide costs of climate inaction over the past decade.  My response to you is, it’s too costly to do nothing

Fourth, what the hell happened to the Republican Party?  The GOP formerly thought of itself as the party of intellectuals.  How did you become a party where denying science is a litmus test?  Where are the Republicans who actually understand climate change and care about it?  If you can find one, tell me.  Maybe I’ll even write about them on this site.

Finally, climate change is only starting.  It will continue to get worse and worse.  And that means storms will get worse, droughts will get deeper, flooding more severe, and the costs will go up.  What we are seeing now and what we’ve seen over the past decade is just a small taste to come of what the future will bring if we don’t take this problem seriously.

Good luck Florida and Georgia.  My thoughts are with you.  See you on the other side.

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Florida governor Scott is a science-denier. You get what you vote for. 


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Kazoo, science has been wrong as many times as it's been right.............

If you would read the Bible you would understand what's happening with these storms and disasters.............The Bible has never been wrong...........Disasters will increase in volume and intensity...........Mankind does not control the climate - the Creator does.............

Kazoo, you're a Bible-denier............I'm a climate-change denier...........Me and you are gonna die someday and science and the climate won't matter.............Me and you are gonna die someday and the Bible will matter.............
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Real, I've been in worst storms that weren't even hurricanes.............The MSM can't be trusted in their snowflake reporting...............Sustained 150 MPH winds didn't happen.............Maybe a gust here-and-there, but, sustained? - nah!

The Weather Channel gets plum giddy when a storm forms............So does the Red Cross.............They'll collect a bunch and give out peanuts............
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It's time for you and your stupid shiitte  to F$@*_ off.


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Victims of Hurricane Michael voted for climate deniers

 




Wait, I thought climate wasn't weather.......

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Kaploo, your retardation saddens me.
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Nevermind the fact that the US is one of the only countries in the world that is working, and succeeding, in reducing greenhouse gasses. If only we had a bubble over our country to keep out the polluted air from the other countries that lecture us about how evil we are.
Kaplooey so stupid. Him can’t help it.

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Who knew higher taxes and massive debt caused earthquakes?
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Remember when Al Gore said we would have 5 or 6 Katrina's a year.  That was like 2004.  2005 started the longest drought of cat 3's in the history of the USA.  Something like over 10 years. 

Everyone knew when we got back to a more normal hurricane cycle we would get right back to muh global warming.

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Wait, I thought climate wasn't weather.......


The winds of the ever changing libtard narrative

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Nevermind the fact that the US is one of the only countries in the world that is working, and succeeding, in reducing greenhouse gasses. If only we had a bubble over our country to keep out the polluted air from the other countries that lecture us about how evil we are.
Kaplooey so stupid. Him can’t help it.



All the world's a stage and we are merely players...[smile]  Indeed, how evil we are here in the good ol' US of A!
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Mexico Beach is no longer there - this thing was a BEAST
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Mexico Beach is no longer there - this thing was a BEAST


Related story

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/11/us/hurricane-michael-live-updates-florida.html

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17 of last 18 years, warmest on record. Why do the righties resist this? I understand not giving a sh1t about your fellow man, but crispy frying and drowning your grandchildren? Makes no sense.
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Real, I've been in worst storms that weren't even hurricanes.............The MSM can't be trusted in their snowflake reporting...............Sustained 150 MPH winds didn't happen.............Maybe a gust here-and-there, but, sustained? - nah!

The Weather Channel gets plum giddy when a storm forms............So does the Red Cross.............They'll collect a bunch and give out peanuts............


A gust here and there? Yea, go tell that to the people in Panama City, you dope. 

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If God does it as a precursor to the apocalypse, I guess it's not weather. Blue has turned global warming into a biblical prophesy. Doo dee dah dah, doo dee dah dah. Welcome, folks, to the Blue light zone.
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All the world's a stage and we are merely players...[smile]  Indeed, how evil we are here in the good ol' US of A!



If we've reduced our carbon emissions, it's surely only because of the work and foresight of Democrats and not the science-denying Neanderthals we call conservatives and Republicans. No integrity, dishonest, GOP pols would rather lie on behalf of big utility companies, who don't like regulations, than listen to actual scientists--the better to get reelected, you know. 

Speaking of the panhandle, Tyndall Air Force base was blasted by the storm. Tyndall is a SuperFund site--a toxic wasteland. It should have been cleaned up many years ago--but the Air Force basically refused to acknowledge the problem, refused to comply with EPA cleanup mandates. The government finally just told the USAF generals to f--k off and declared it a Superfund site. Even so, the place is still teeming with toxins that over the years have leached into the ground--including tons of DDT, a banned and carcinogenic pesticide. And we wonder why people get cancer. This is the idiocy that progressives have to deal with in this backward country. The U.S. military has been burning munitions in open-air fires for decades--still does it, even though it is a serious problem. Most military bases are toxic dumps--and there are hundreds of them all over the country. 

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All the world's a stage and we are merely players...[smile]  Indeed, how evil we are here in the good ol' US of A!


Not evil--we just have a venal political party that refuses to address serious problems because its members are 1) stupid and short-sighted; 2) anti-government; and 3) more concerned with getting campaign contributions from special-interest groups like the NRA that actually tackling pressing national issues like gun violence and health care and income inequality and climate change, and the list goes on. And they understand how to appeal to low-information rural people who will vote for them. 

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Not evil--we just have a venal political party that refuses to address serious problems because its members are 1) stupid and short-sighted; 2) anti-government; and 3) more concerned with getting campaign contributions from special-interest groups like the NRA that actually tackling pressing national issues like gun violence and health care and income inequality and climate change, and the list goes on. And they understand how to appeal to low-information rural people who will vote for them. 


Thankfully, individuals in the enlightened class are caring, compassionate, and considerate of their fellow Americans, as evidenced above.

God bless you, and God bless the USA.
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Thank you Mike, for your honesty. If nothing else, we are compassionate. 
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If we've reduced our carbon emissions, it's surely only because of the work and foresight of Democrats and not the science-denying Neanderthals we call conservatives and Republicans. No integrity, dishonest, GOP pols would rather lie on behalf of big utility companies, who don't like regulations, than listen to actual scientists--the better to get reelected, you know. 

Speaking of the panhandle, Tyndall Air Force base was blasted by the storm. Tyndall is a SuperFund site--a toxic wasteland. It should have been cleaned up many years ago--but the Air Force basically refused to acknowledge the problem, refused to comply with EPA cleanup mandates. The government finally just told the USAF generals to f--k off and declared it a Superfund site. Even so, the place is still teeming with toxins that over the years have leached into the ground--including tons of DDT, a banned and carcinogenic pesticide. And we wonder why people get cancer. This is the idiocy that progressives have to deal with in this backward country. The U.S. military has been burning munitions in open-air fires for decades--still does it, even though it is a serious problem. Most military bases are toxic dumps--and there are hundreds of them all over the country. 

Actually the marketplace that is funding wind development, solar development, moving to smaller cars is doing way more to offer people products that are more environmentally friendly and replace existing products.

DDT was invented in 1874.  It was used extensively to basically eradicate malaria and typhoid throughout the developed nations of the world.  It was used until ~1966.  It was used throughout USA, Canada, Europe, Mexico, japan, Philippines.    Without DDT millions and millions of deaths would have occurred from malaria, and typhoid.  

To get a rough idea of how life expectancy jumps when malaria and typhoid are eliminated: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK1712/  So DDT is a major factor in our life expectancy jumping drastically upwards through the 40's, 50's and 60's.  In fact without DDT there is a great chance that people do not live long enough to understand that DDT type caused cancers is a problem.

Believe it or not there are a lot of things on your shelves right now, that will be the next thing found to cause cancer.  

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