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rudymartinez

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Eurl - maybe the 21 million people living at an average of 6 ft above sea level will all die. Then you won't have to worry about property insurance or relocation. Life insurance may go up, but so will the population in Fargo North Dakota.
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Good points. But they won't all die. They will rebuild in the same spot. Funny how angry (and hyberbolic) people get on this topic. The way I see it, at some point in the not too distant future (maybe 10, maybe 20 years), there will be a national decision to no longer federally fund these rebuilds. Our country is bankrupt. We soon won't be able to pay the chinese back the interest on the money we borrowed from them. We will never repay the principal. So, at some point, we will have to face reality, and it will bring the pain. One thing that will become non-essential will be rebuilding on the coast. At that point in time, there will also be a lot of hand-wringing about 'why did we throw an extra 50 billion down the toilet over the last 20 years when we knew rebuilding in the same location wasn't a sustainable response to coastal disasters'?
Just my perspective. Calm yourself.

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What is the average elevation and then what is the highest elevation in Florida?
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Average is 6. Highest is about 350 somewhere in the panhandle I think.
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Wow
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Quote:
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well, there are always plenty of seats available for the Braves, right?


These days there are, for sure.  Still a nice gesture.
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Been a crap day. 

The in-laws, who live on the beach, have staked their lives on the fact that the forecast is 100% accurate, and the storm will landfall at Naples.  Even with that, it's 50/50 for them. 

I just can't noodle out their attitude.  If the storm goes 20 miles west of the forecast, they'll be buried under 155 mph winds and 14 feet of sea water.

The wife's siblings, who are local, have the "they're adults, and that's what they decided" attitude, and refuse to go force them to leave.

Gonna make one last stab at it tomorrow morning, which involves me driving all the way down there to get them, and back tomorrow night.  I don't think they'll go though.


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Today, I had a meeting in town.  Coming back, more than half the cars on the road were from FL.  A few trucks looked like the Clampets, with all their stuff in the bed.  Every other car was stuffed full of stuff.
 
It was sad to see.  Those people's lives will be dramatically different next week - just like the folks in Houston. 

Once the press leaves, the impacted people have to try to rebuild their lives, which is a long and difficult process.
 
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Mike, that is a tough spot they are putting your family in. And that is complicated. Yes they are adults, but I think like you do on this. Sometimes adults make choices based upon emotion, and times like that, sometimes you get tempted to override them for their own good. No easy solution, best wishes to your family Mike.
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Average is 6. Highest is about 350 somewhere in the panhandle I think.


I saw this average on some global warming site, and I don't believe it.  Once you're off the coast, it rises higher than that quickly.  Maybe it includes the Everglades, which may be low. 

It's not that low where people live.
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yea I'm sure it includes the everglades. It's just an average, agreed you can't read everything into a number like that. But still. That's Fn low brother. 
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Today, Jeb says that the fed handling of the Irma preparations and response, thus far, has been excellent. By most accounts, the fed response in Houston was excellent. Trump get any credit for this? Or not? How does this fed handling stack up to prior admin responses to these types of events? Any comparables out there?
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Mike, that is a tough spot they are putting your family in. And that is complicated. Yes they are adults, but I think like you do on this. Sometimes adults make choices based upon emotion, and times like that, sometimes you get tempted to override them for their own good. No easy solution, best wishes to your family Mike.


Thanks sir.
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Unfortunately all the tracks are now showing west side of the state.  Add in that top left side of the storm is always worst from a storm surge and wind perspective.  I would not want to be in Naples.  

My aunt was renting a place in Naples the last 3 years, and we have been there a 2 of them.  Beautiful area.  Glad no one I know is there now. 

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Been a crap day. 

The in-laws, who live on the beach, have staked their lives on the fact that the forecast is 100% accurate, and the storm will landfall at Naples.  Even with that, it's 50/50 for them. 

I just can't noodle out their attitude.  If the storm goes 20 miles west of the forecast, they'll be buried under 155 mph winds and 14 feet of sea water.

The wife's siblings, who are local, have the "they're adults, and that's what they decided" attitude, and refuse to go force them to leave.

Gonna make one last stab at it tomorrow morning, which involves me driving all the way down there to get them, and back tomorrow night.  I don't think they'll go though.




They have to have a change of heart this morning

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Funny videos of the nutty things people do when a Hurricane hits. 
Video 1  - man tying himself to post.  Says he has safety protocols. 
Video 2 
reporter:  "Why aren't u evacuating"
kid: "We're Savages" 

http://i.imgur.com/QUzBj85.jpg


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Today, I had a meeting in town.  Coming back, more than half the cars on the road were from FL.  A few trucks looked like the Clampets, with all their stuff in the bed.  Every other car was stuffed full of stuff.
 
It was sad to see.  Those people's lives will be dramatically different next week - just like the folks in Houston. 

Once the press leaves, the impacted people have to try to rebuild their lives, which is a long and difficult process.
 


Hey mike, check in please.  Just say if you're ok or not. 

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I'm OK. 

We finally got the MIL/FIL off their island, just as the bridges were being closed to escape.  Got them to a hotel inland.  I think they were the last ones off.

We had a house full of evacuees in N. Ga.  I had heard something like more than a million were in Atlanta metro.  In my neighborhood, about 20 folks had an average of about 6-7 each.

Our crew left this morning to head home.  In 4 hours, they've traveled about 120 miles. 

Of the crew that stayed, my SIL's car was destroyed by a falling tree, my BIL's house had a tree fall on it while he was in it (he was unhurt, but he has work to do - 80 foot tall oak on his house), and the MIL/FIL beach house was damaged, but livable.  Their neighbors were extensively damaged (max wind gusts of 125 near them).

They are all w/o power, and the power company told them to not expect it before the weekend.  In their county or about 1.1M people, around 700k have no power.

Of the crew that stayed with us, initial reports from neighbors were damage, but livable, with no power.

Around N. Ga, lots of trees down and power outages.  A few folks, sadly, were killed in Atlanta Metro by falling trees.  Pretty OK out here in Hickville, with minor stuff here and there (we had a storm shutter come loose and came off), but nothing big.

We got word a little while ago that the FIL was in the ER, but we have no idea why.  They got home last night, and were there for awhile, and evidently went to the ER at first light.  With no power, no one's cell phones are charged, and cell service is spotty anyways.  Depending on what that's about, we may have to head down tomorrow.

So, some property damaged, but folks are OK, pending word from FIL.

Thanks for checking, and the good thoughts.  Lots of folks hurting in the southeast right now, but not many round our way.
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Hurricanes are hell. You did good. We had a hurricane, Harvey, and didn't have the trees down like we have with all the others in the past. I think I heard Harvey had killed 60?
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60 according to abcnews.

12 so far for Irma, again according to abcnews.  

mikec glad your inlaws got out safe. 

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