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bluedog

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Dewey, he doesn't know, himself!
keepinitreal

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Less republicans will vote for Trump, more democrats will vote for Trump. The numbers will be about the same. The difference of 1 million in a nation of a 340 million is miniscule. Leave it to the troll to make a mountain of his mole hill
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mikec

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That assumes no third party.  If Trump wins, there will be one.  If he loses, there may be one.

I still think this could be decided by the House.
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Dewey, he doesn't know, himself!

Hey blueballs, why don't you stick to putting on your knee pads and servicing your man crush.

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bluedog

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Spaz, why do you feel the need to be so vulgar?.........How does that help you?.........

Observing human nature is interesting and shows the condition of our heart........I hope you can change.....I really do!
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Spaz, why do you feel the need to be so vulgar?.........How does that help you?.........

Observing human nature is interesting and shows the condition of our heart........I hope you can change.....I really do!


what do your observations tell you about a lying, bribing, womanizing, abortion-loving, high-tax wanting, men-pee-with-the-girls presidential candidate?
bluedog

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He'll build the wall......And, bring back our jobs!

And, he'll expose the corruption in our political system!

The person with the most votes should win!
TylerDurden

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Spaz, why do you feel the need to be so vulgar?.........How does that help you?.........

Observing human nature is interesting and shows the condition of our heart........I hope you can change.....I really do!


Come on Spaz, you need to up your game. Woody and I got blamed for the downfall of western society and all you could get was a lecture from the most demeaning person here. You can do better!
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I am trying to change, really I am.
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Not being a religious man, I cannot pray for your change, but I can express HOPE!


[Barack-Obama-Hope-for-Change-Poster-160x160]

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pabar61

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He'll build the wall......And, bring back our jobs!

And, he'll expose the corruption in our political system!

The person with the most votes should win!


All of it wishful thinking.  And, speaking of jobs, according to Dewey, Obama has already brought them all back.
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I've talked about the millions of jobs added over the last seven plus years and the 5 million jobs open right now.  I can't say where they all came from but these are the statistics.

Finally, why all the bickering over Donald?  Other than mikec and I believe it was Lost, you're all likely to vote for Mr. Trump in November.  Why all the fuss?  Most of you are in the same line.
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Finally, why all the bickering over Donald?  Other than mikec and I believe it was Lost, you're all likely to vote for Mr. Trump in November.  Why all the fuss?  Most of you are in the same line.


I guess repeating this makes you feel better knowing you will vote for someone who lied to the families of dead American soldiers.  Say it in the mirror three times...
keepinitreal

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Dewy why all the bickering about our forum members? You come back day after day for more abuse. You're wife kick you out of the house again?
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
pabar61

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I've talked about the millions of jobs added over the last seven plus years and the 5 million jobs open right now.  I can't say where they all came from but these are the statistics.

Finally, why all the bickering over Donald?  Other than mikec and I believe it was Lost, you're all likely to vote for Mr. Trump in November.  Why all the fuss?  Most of you are in the same line.


As has already been explained to you, this is a two-step process.  Except for Bluedog, nobody here wants Trump as the nominee.  But if he becomes the nominee, many of us will vote for him rather than a committed socialist or a criminal liar with no history of any accomplishments whatsoever.  I respect Mike's opinion and we are fine to disagree on this point.

You, on the other hand, will pull the lever for the D regardless of the fact that they're both horrible candidates and will be worse as president.
Dewey

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pabar - I am a party loyalist and will vote D in almost any circumstance, (an exception is I would cast no President vote at all if Trump were our nominee).  Almost all of you are party loyalists like me but the difference is, most of you try to spin it as if you aren't.  Own it already.  Woody says Democrats are told who to vote for and his mantra of following the Party applies identically to those of you here on the Right.  As always, I'm here to point out the hypocrisy each time some of you repeat this charge.
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I didn't vote for McCain, yet you accuse me of it every chance you get.  I highly doubt the democrats could put someone on the ballot you wouldn't vote for.  Can you name one for us?
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pabar - I am a party loyalist and will vote D in almost any circumstance, (an exception is I would cast no President vote at all if Trump were our nominee).  Almost all of you are party loyalists like me but the difference is, most of you try to spin it as if you aren't.  Own it already.  Woody says Democrats are told who to vote for and his mantra of following the Party applies identically to those of you here on the Right.  As always, I'm here to point out the hypocrisy each time some of you repeat this charge.


I'll grant you that most of us usually vote along party lines.  But there is a huge difference.  You actively support whomever is put up from your side.  On our side, we're not afraid to criticize our own.  McCain and Romney were bad candidates and most of us have said so.  Trump would be a horrible candidate and most of us have said so.

Obama has proven to be the terrible president that many people predicted he would be so it's not surprising that we on the right were forced to vote for McCain and Romney because Obama was such an obviously flawed candidate and president.

You would never have the guts to say that either Sanders or Clinton are bad candidates.
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Nothing anyone can say or point to will convince most of you that HC didn't lie to the families.  But some of the families have said she said nothing to them about a video.  So nothing can really be "proven" beyond the shadow of a doubt.  I'm not defending HC.  I don't support HC for President.  But there are definitely conflicting accounts here.  But we will probably never know who's really right - or, more importantly, what Stevens was doing there in the first place that night. 

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/feb/09/what-did-hillary-clinton-tell-families-people-who-/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/01/04/what-benghazi-family-members-say-hillary-clinton-said-about-the-video/

But, given that you believe HC is a "liar" and this precludes you from voting for her, how then, can you say you would vote for DT?  He is a PROVEN liar - over and over and over.  Google just about anything he has said and you'll see that some or much of it is a falsehood.  Sometimes intentional, sometimes just because he is ignorant.  But that's a guy you'll happily vote for?

Here's an analysis of what DT said in just one week on the campaign trail -

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/trump-fact-check-errors-exaggerations-falsehoods-213730

And more analysis of why DT lies (or exaggerates or BSes or whatever you'd like to call it) -

http://nymag.com/scienceofus/2016/03/3-insights-about-donald-trumps-constant-lying.html

http://www.dailywire.com/news/4834/trumps-101-lies-hank-berrien

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DC, we have discussed this at length.  Per interviews with several families, there appeared to be separate meetings held by SOS Clinton and the families that day.  Perfectly understandable that some families discussed it with her and some did not.
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I'll grant you that most of us usually vote along party lines.  But there is a huge difference.  You actively support whomever is put up from your side.  On our side, we're not afraid to criticize our own.  McCain and Romney were bad candidates and most of us have said so.  Trump would be a horrible candidate and most of us have said so.

Obama has proven to be the terrible president that many people predicted he would be so it's not surprising that we on the right were forced to vote for McCain and Romney because Obama was such an obviously flawed candidate and president.

You would never have the guts to say that either Sanders or Clinton are bad candidates.


pabar - Not correct.  Outside of Obama's re-election, I haven't actively supported any candidate in this forum.  I have supported the Democrat Party.

The huge difference that does exist here is your side going out of your way to accuse the Left of blindly following their candidate as if your side is any different.  People who call others out for doing exactly what they are doing has always been a pet peeve of mine.  Needless to say, your side is "king" of calling people out, for one thing or another.

Obama will go down as an excellent President regardless how many times you say otherwise.  As for criticisms, it's easy, in fact almost an everyday occurrence, for Libertarians to criticize moderate Republicans.  Your repetition of that example is going nowhere from my perspective.  In any event, my opinion stands.  Nearly everyone on your side is going to vote Trump with the "R" behind his name just as I will vote for the "D" candidate.  Unfortunately, this fact is not going to stop your side from claiming they're somehow different in their approach.  Baloney.


TylerDurden

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Care to name a democrat you wouldn't vote for?

I have openly stated that I did not vote for McCain, and some here have indicated they will not vote for Trump.

As for the "Libertarian" charge, that's what's baloney.  Republicans call out other republicans in leadership here all the time.  The dem's?  Not so much courage to speak against their leaders.
keepinitreal

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ALL demorats vote party line ALL the time.  dewdy's hypothesis has been proven wrong by facts provided from Tyler Durden and myself [among others].  Dewdy takes small samples of a group and forms concrete statements with his lackluster research.  If he was a student he would be a D- student.   I hope the readers and ALL the freshmen parents see the inaccuracies in dewdy's many ludicrous  statements.  My pet peeve is libtards and their lackluster research
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Tyler - Your GOP has two parties in one.  I don't understand why they continue to butt heads rather than split. 

Trump is a Democrat I wouldn't vote for.  I can't think of any others right now.  For the most part, Republicans vote Republican all the time.  They are no different than Democrats.  I'm certain there are some Democrats who have not voted Democrat in the past.  I'm sure I voted "R" before I became more informed of the ideology.  I just can't remember all my votes as years ago I wasn't focused on politics.

Edit:  Please give me an example of a moderate Repub calling out another moderate Repub, where neither was running for office.
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I'll grant you that most of us usually vote along party lines.

Key word is usually, as many/most of us have voted for non-GOP. I think Dewey has always voted for the D.

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Trump would be a horrible candidate and most of us have said so.

You would never have the guts to say that either Sanders or Clinton are bad candidates.

The fact there were so many other much better GOP candidates than Trump makes it very hard to stomach for almost all of us. OTOH, Dems didn't have a decent candidate run...
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Tyler - Your GOP has two parties in one.  I don't understand why they continue to butt heads rather than split. 

Trump is a Democrat I wouldn't vote for.  I can't think of any others right now.  For the most part, Republicans vote Republican all the time.  They are no different than Democrats.  I'm certain there are some Democrats who have not voted Democrat in the past.  I'm sure I voted "R" before I became more informed of the ideology.  I just can't remember all my votes as years ago I wasn't focused on politics.

Edit:  Please give me an example of a moderate Repub calling out another moderate Repub, where neither was running for office.


Dewey - the Democratic has two parties as well.  Until they split, you alone can not be the arbiter of who is what.  IMO, delineating between "Libertarians", "Moderate Republicans" and "Republicans" as three different groups is only being done to try and marginalize the fact several of us have openly questioned and disagreed with our party on multiple occasions and you haven't.

Trump doesn't count, he is the presumptive nominee of the republican party.  Come up with someone with a "D" by their name currently and you may gain some credibility back on the issue.
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Tyler - It was your side who trained me how to recognize the moderate, (RINO, establishment, etc.), versus the Libertarianesque Republican, (right wing, tea party, Libertarian, isolationist, etc.).  Your side does most of these descriptions and I simply absorb the information.

Edit:  Once again let me remind you.  It's not our side who runs around saying Republicans blindly follow, (at least not until it's repeated over and over inside here).  It's your side who thrives on doing this and it's hypocritical, imo.
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Absorb and spit out when trying to marginalize things when you have been exposed as someone who blindly follows a party.  Forgive some of us if we have differing opinions on matters and do not sit back and trust our leaders to make all of our decisions.  I will admit, the republican party is MUCH more accepting of differing views, but in the end we are all republicans, and not afraid to questions our leaders.

Unfortunately, the current democratic movement is not as open to differing opinions.

Can you really not find a single "D" you wouldn't vote for?  It shouldn't be that hard.
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ALL demorats vote party line ALL the time.
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"It is not just simply yelling out a name and yelling down dissenters........................... and I'll defend your right to even insult me" 
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Tyler - I'm confident I've also exposed how Republicans and Libertarians will blindly follow their candidates as well.  The only difference is the two versions of Republicans are mixed in the same room so it fogs this blind following that I claim is equally common.  Be easier to prove if you guys would split apart.

Give me a couple of "D" names that you think I shouldn't vote for if they run for office.  It shouldn't be too hard.
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