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TylerDurden

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Originally Posted by Dewey


As pabar would ask, (except he asks when I express an opinion rather than presenting a fact), do you have any evidence Republican voters stayed away in droves in 2012? 


Good attempt to change the subject, let's stick with your mischaracterization of what spaz said.
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Tyler - He said Republican voters stayed away in 2012.  I've seen no evidence of such and I don't think any is coming anytime soon.  This myth has been repeated over and over.  I'll ask it this way.  Is it your opinion Republican voters stayed away or are you and spaz claiming this as fact?

http://www.wsj.com/articles/karl-rove-the-myth-of-the-stay-at-home-republicans-1427930037
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I stand by my "opinion".  The vast majority of Republicans will blindly vote for this TV star.
TylerDurden

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No one said he got less votes than McCain / that's what you incorrectly claimed. More republicans stayed home for McCain than Romney.
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I stand by my "opinion".  The vast majority of Republicans will blindly vote for this TV star.


Democrats blindly voted for a first term senator whose greatest accomplishment was voting "present".
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Tyler - Nobody made any claim whatsoever related to spazsdad and vote totals.  I put those numbers up as evidence of my position that GOP voters did not stay away.  Feel free to present evidence to the contrary.
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Again, not sure what planet you guys live on as Romney got more votes than McCain.



2008


Obama - 69,500,000           McCain - 60,000,000



2012


Obama - 66,000,000           Romney - 61,000,000


Sure looks like you are making that claim....except no one said that.
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I'm disputing spazsdad claim that GOP voters stayed home.  It appears one million more came out compared to 2008.  If they stayed home, I would expect Romney's total to be under the 2008 count.  Is that logic hard to follow?
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Tyler - Hillary vs Donald.  Assuming this is the match-up, are you prepared now to say who you will vote for?
TylerDurden

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If one million Romney voters stayed home, they would have had the exact same amount.
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Tyler - Going to step aside and enjoy a cigar now as you've completely lost me.  I think it might be best if you let others defend their own comments.  I'm not even certain at this point if you understand the point spazsdad was making.  Have a good evening.
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Originally Posted by Dewey
I'm disputing spazsdad claim that GOP voters stayed home.  It appears one million more came out compared to 2008.  If they stayed home, I would expect Romney's total to be under the 2008 count.  Is that logic hard to follow?


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Originally Posted by TylerDurden
If one million Romney voters stayed home, they would have had the exact same amount.





Pretty easy to follow. If some of Romneys voters stayed home, his total would have been closer to McCains. Maybe your cigar will give you some clarity.

I'll help you out. Just because Romney got more votes than McCain doesn't mean that there weren't republicans that sat the election out. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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If millions of Romney voters had stayed home, he would have collected fewer votes than McCain and spazsdad's point would have been a good one with validity. Still not following you at all.
PDad

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The readers know neither McCain nor Romney were popular candidates with right-wing conservatives and many sat out for both.

They also know Dewey has presented 1 of several possible explanations for why Romney received more votes than McCain without anything proving it is the only plausible explanation. Here are a few other explanations which do not contradict the assertion by Spazsdad.

A. As TD posted (#35), "More republicans stayed home for McCain than Romney." IOW, X stayed home for Romney and X + 1 million stayed home for McCain.

B. It's possible more stayed home for Romney, however they were more than offset by other voters (e.g. Obama had 3.5 million less votes in 2012).

C. A combination of A and B (e.g. 400k more stayed home for McCain and Romney picked up 600K other voters).

Bottom line is Dewey failed to rebut Spazsdad's assertion by posting 2008 and 2012 vote totals.
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But you only have to look at the last election cycle when Republicans stayed away in droves rather than vote for a candidate they didn't believe in, Romney, to know the blind following is a forte of your side.



The last Real Clear average had Romney at 48.1% and he got 47.2% of the vote.  Assuming polls to be dead on, I suppose one could make an argument that 6 or 7 hundred thousand Republicans stayed home.  Hardly "droves" based on the total numbers as it appears 99% of Republicans came out and voted for Romney just as indicated by the polls.  This "myth", as Karl Rove calls it, is just a feel good answer for those on the Right in order to hold on to that "what if" feeling that gives them hope going forward.  The numbers simply don't support their theory and the readers can form their own conclusions.  I say if you want them to believe this theory, at least give them some evidence to support it.
keepinitreal

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dewy has proven once again that he is nothing but an idiot, he can't substantiate another claim that he made.  Thanks to PDad and Durden for bringing clarity to dewy's muddled argument.  

Readers will notice that dewy has no opinion of his candidate, the bloody pantsuit.  Liars beget liars

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mikec

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a whole page on Romney and McCain.  brilliant.

trump will motivate dem voters to come out against him - meaning more votes for Clinton.  if trump is nominee, I think a 3rd party will show up.  there will either be write-ins, votes for libertarians, or a 3rd party.

conservatives will not line up behind trump.  he has burned too many bridges for that.

trump gets killed by Clinton, unfortunately.  But, with 17 candidates, and the "stick it to the man" dumbassess with no other vision voting for trump, he may win.
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Dem voters will cross-over to vote for Trump in big numbers........

Hillary has no chance to beat Trump.....
spazsdad

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Contrary to all the polls. I guess they only count when they fit your agenda

POLLSTERDATESPOP.CLINTONTRUMPUNDECIDEDOTHERSPREAD
Ipsos/Reuters NEW!4/16 - 4/201,334 RV44331212Clinton +11
Morning Consult4/15 - 4/172,032 RV463717-Clinton +9
NBC/SurveyMonkey4/11 - 4/1711,498 RV483994Clinton +9
NBC/WSJ4/10 - 4/141,000 RV503929Clinton +11
FOX4/11 - 4/131,021 RV484122Clinton +7
Ipsos/Reuters4/9 - 4/131,424 RV4334715Clinton +9
CBS4/8 - 4/121,098 RV504081Clinton +10
Morning Consult4/8 - 4/114,015 RV463716-Clinton +9
NBC/SurveyMonkey4/4 - 4/1011,204 RV4336192Clinton +7
Ipsos/Reuters4/2 - 4/61,325 RV39341116Clinton +5

Did you predict this response as well O Wise One

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a whole page on Romney and McCain.  brilliant.


Trolls will troll, if you have nothing to add to an uncomfortable conversation steer it away. Libtards are generally ADHD and find it difficult to stay on topic, in the 1950s it went largely undiagnosed.

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Dewey

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Stop whining so much.  I didn't bring up Romney.  Besides, we agreed a long time ago there were no rules in this forum.  It's why personally denigrating other posters is so common.
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Troll will troll
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"This is not debate class. And this is not about politeness. We're talking about the damn future of our country"

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bluedog

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Polls on the general election are useless........It's way too early for any polls to be credible.......The election hasn't even started.........

Spaz wouldn't know this, though!
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Polls will poll.
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Senior citizen troll, how you like hilLIARy?
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The shoals are shallow
Intern did swallow
Rodham not callow

Rhetoric hollow
Despite it you go
For a vote so low

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mikec

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you would dewey would be happy with this thread, since the consensus is his girl will win.

why so much conversation about past candidates?

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mikec - A member wanted to bring up Romney and suggest Republicans stayed home in droves in 2012.  Someone has to counter what they believe to be misinformation so I did.  It began when I followed up on woody's comment that Dems will vote for whoever the candidate is by me saying Republicans do precisely the same thing.  Spazsdad tried to tell us otherwise by bringing up past candidates.  Now you know why this thread turned to Romney.  It's right there for all to see. [wink]
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In 2012, Obama defeated Romney by a 50% to 48% margin.  2.7 million fewer than Obama in 2012, but also 2.8 million fewer than McCain in 2008.




Obviously conflicts with your claim.


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spazsdad - Your link provided no information.  Here are results of last two elections.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012

Romney 61 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008

McCain 60 million.

http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/popular-vote/


Not sure what you're trying to tell us here.
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