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TylerDurden

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Well for now the party isn't split, so your argument is null and void.  You know this, but continue to use this excuse as to why some here are a little more independent of a thinker than you.  It's ok.

That's dodging the question. I will take that as there isn't one you wouldn't vote for.
PDad

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I'd like to see the posts where Dewey "absorbed" his understanding of Libertarianesque because it doesn't jive with their positions. Seems like he's trying to blame the teacher(s) for his failings...
Dewey

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Tyler - Speaking of dodging, I just want to know if you won't vote for Trump?  Why don't you find your own answers before asking other members their thoughts?  Besides, I told you I couldn't think of any "D" who couldn't earn my vote.  What more did you want?
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I'm rather certain Tyler is hoping Cruz or Kasich become the nominee so he'll never have to answer the question of whether he would vote for Trump or not.  If Trump is the nominee, I don't think we'll get an answer then either.
TylerDurden

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I will answer the question again, hopefully it will get through this time, but I am not hopeful.

I am waiting to see what the options are in the general election.  I am also waiting to see Trumps "pivots", and will see if he backs off some of his outlandish claims.  If he does, there is a chance I would.

Didn't think there was a single D you wouldn't vote for, but it is nice to hear you admit it.
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Originally Posted by Dewey
Tyler - It was your side who trained me how to recognize the moderate, (RINO, establishment, etc.), versus the Libertarianesque Republican, (right wing, tea party, Libertarian, isolationist, etc.).  Your side does most of these descriptions and I simply absorb the information.

Edit:  Once again let me remind you.  It's not our side who runs around saying Republicans blindly follow, (at least not until it's repeated over and over inside here).  It's your side who thrives on doing this and it's hypocritical, imo.


"Tyler - I'm confident I've also exposed how Republicans and Libertarians will blindly follow their candidates as well."
Dewey

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Tyler - If Trump is not the nominee, will you be able to backtrack and answer if he would have received your vote had he won?
PDad

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Tyler - I'm confident I've also exposed how Republicans and Libertarians will blindly follow their candidates as well.  The only difference is the two versions of Republicans are mixed in the same room so it fogs this blind following that I claim is equally common.  Be easier to prove if you guys would split apart.

More evidence of Dewey's lack of understanding and/or misrepresentation. smh

There are separate Republican and Libertarian parties, so there is no need to split on those lines - that mix is due to true Libertarians (e.g. Ron and Rand Paul) joining the Republicans. 

Similar thing happened on the Dem side with Democratic Socialist Sanders, however he has been far more successful there than the Pauls with the GOP. 
Dewey

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Which side is Ted Cruz and Donald Trump on? 

It's funny.  One part of the day I hear Democrats will cross over and vote for Trump and then later in the day I hear Democrats always vote for the Democrat candidate.  You know, if the UCS Conservatives cover all sides of every issue, it's easy to tell the readers they're often right.  [wink]
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Tyler - If Trump is not the nominee, will you be able to backtrack and answer if he would have received your vote had he won?


No - I stated above I wanted to see how he pivots in the general election. If he's not the candidate in the general election, but I wouldn't be able to see that. That shouldn't be that hard for you
Dewey

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Tyler - If Trump is the nominee, will you tell us if you plan to vote for him?
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Tyler - I think you previously implied you'd vote for Cruz if he were the nominee.  Since Cruz hasn't directly said whether he would fight to stop undocumented children from attending school, how did you come to such an early decision without having this information?
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Tyler - I think you previously implied you'd vote for Cruz if he were the nominee.  Since Cruz hasn't directly said whether he would fight to stop undocumented children from attending school, how did you come to such an early decision without having this information?


Maybe because this issue is about 50th in line of what's important in this country.  Since you don't know if Hillary will be indicted, how can you know that you will vote for her?
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Pabar - The point is there are many issues Sen Cruz has not been direct on and yet most of you have said you'd vote for him. I guess I'm asking Tyler, and thanks for trying to answer for him, what issues is Trump waffling on that need to be resolved before one can throw their support behind him too? Which are the top issues where Trump is not giving the same answer as Cruz? Now I said top issues.
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Originally Posted by Dewey
Tyler - If Trump is the nominee, will you tell us if you plan to vote for him?


See answer #101. This is getting as bad as the immigration questions....how many times do I have to answer this.
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Tyler - I think you previously implied you'd vote for Cruz if he were the nominee.  Since Cruz hasn't directly said whether he would fight to stop undocumented children from attending school, how did you come to such an early decision without having this information?


I am not sure if I have said this or not. Since you brought it up, I'll leave it on you to find where I said that.
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If one hasn't decided by now whether they will vote for Trump or not, I'd sure like to know what remains to be learned to ultimately make that decision?  Clearly it's not issue number fifty but, that said, it must be a real good one  Hopefully, some of those on the fence will share how Donald can win them over.

Edit:  Tyler, we don't need to look anything up.  If I'm incorrect, simply use your fingers and type out a clarification for the readers.
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Cruz has been saying for months he would deport all illegals.

Did he ever say specifically that didn't include illegal children?

And really, does it even matter anymore what policitians say? Hillary Clinton promises to unite America at the same times she's attacking Republicans. Because that worked so well when Obama said it, apparently.
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Which side is Ted Cruz and Donald Trump on?

Republican. The problem is you - and many others - view liberal vs conservative in just 1 dimension (i.e. left vs right), which doesn't represent differences in fiscal policy (i.e. government size) and social issues (abortion, gay rights, school prayer).

A 2-dimensional plane handles it where the x-axis is fiscal and the y-axis is social. People that are conservative on both are in the top-right quadrant. Libertarians are conservative on fiscal and liberal on social, so they're in the bottom-right quadrant. The Tea Party does not have a uniform agenda because it's decentralized. The official stance of many is to focus on fiscal and de-emphasize social, so they'd run along the right-edge of the space. Some TP factions (e.g. Ted Cruz and Glen Beck) are also conservative socially, so they're in the upper-right corner.

Dems are generally liberal on both, so that puts them in the lower-left quadrant with some bleeding over into neighboring quadrants. I can't think of a major group that is liberal fiscally and conservative socially, however they'd be in the upper-left quadrant. 


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Did he ever say specifically that didn't include illegal children?


There are a few here who believe since Sen Cruz hasn't said directly he'd deport undocumented school children, then maybe he won't.  If you're asking me, I don't buy that possibility for a moment.  I think he'll use every power at his disposal to get undocumented students out of our schools.
Dewey

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PDad - Then which quadrant do RINO's fit?
ForeverInBlue

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I certainly hope he would use every tool at his disposal to enforce the law, which would be nice for a change, and is the sworn duty of the president.

Who here said Cruz won't deport illegals?
PDad

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If one hasn't decided by now whether they will vote for Trump or not, I'd sure like to know what remains to be learned to ultimately make that decision?  Clearly it's not issue number fifty but, that said, it must be a real good one  Hopefully, some of those on the fence will share how Donald can win them over.

Sheesh, it's not all about issues. Hillary is disliked as much or more for her character faults (e.g. dishonest, liar) than for her positions. Donald's problems are lack of credibility/substance and temperament.

For temperament, Trump needs to show he has self-control and can refrain from reacting impulsively. My biggest concerns are what POTUS does without legislation (i.e. Congress).

1. Appoint judges. Trump says he's going to release a list of 10-12 judges from which he'd make appointments. I expect they will get a lot of scrutiny from both sides.

2. Foreign policy. Secretary of State is crucial, so I'd like some indication whom he'd select. Trump is giving a foreign policy speech on Wednesday and I expect he got help with it, possibly from advisers Sen. Sessions recruited for him. Temperament factors in big here and he needs to show he can interact with world leaders without causing needless problems. Obama made trips overseas in the summer of 2008 and Trump should do likewise. Obama told Iraqi leaders not to make any agreements with Bush since there was an election later that year. I wonder what Trump might do or say...

3. Commander in Chief. Secretary of Defense is crucial, so I'd like some indication whom he'd select. Trump needs to demonstrate he can determine the desired outcome along with the parameters for achieving it and trust the Joint Chiefs will provide the appropriate military options.
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PDad - Then which quadrant do RINO's fit?

I think this was rhetorical since the answer is obvious - all but the upper-right corner of the upper-right quadrant.
PDad

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To clarify, RINO is very subjective and therefore varies by the person using it. It is most often used by the ones in the upper- right corner.
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what do your observations tell you about a lying, bribing, womanizing, abortion-loving, high-tax wanting, men-pee-with-the-girls presidential candidate?
TylerDurden

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Tyler, we don't need to look anything up.  If I'm incorrect, simply use your fingers and type out a clarification for the readers.


Figured that would be your response - your weak attempt to control the conversation. You made the claim, you back it up.

Dewey

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Tyler - Either I remember you saying you would vote for Cruz ih he's the GOP nominee or I'm mistaken. Not sure why we have to jump through hoops to learn your true position.
PDad

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The readers will presume Dewey is mistaken unless he shows otherwise.
TylerDurden

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So which one is it, do you remember it or not?
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