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And that she's a woman and it's a woman's time.  Driven by complete emotion.
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mikec - This thread was started to imply Democrats must go to great efforts to find significant justification for voting for Hillary.  Yeah right, like many on my side are any different than many on your side.  Like you clearly explained in your post, many of us will simply look for the "D" by the name just as many of you will look for an "R" by the name, and vote accordingly.  This was never intended to be an investigative thread but, more likely, intended for some good target practice on Ms. Clinton.  You didn't see anyone offering up the qualifications for potential Republican candidates, did you? 
 
Maybe you noticed me being baited to explain why I would vote for Hillary as our Democrat nominee only to allow the one asking another opportunity to call out a Democrat as being a Socialist.  Like I said, target practice.  I agree with you, I'm going to vote "D", you're going to vote "R", and, this thread aside, neither of us are going to beat our heads into the wall in order to make our decision.
 


soft5 - You should probably take the time to do more research in these threads before you come up with your mistaken conclusions.  Far be it from me to determine who is unqualified to run for President.  I agree I'm in no position to determine who fails to be qualified enough to be President of the USA and you're not going to hear me say any such thing.  It is the Conservatives who have the ability to determine who lacks the qualifications to be President.  I just thought if they have this ability, it's only right to tell us why Mr. Paul and Mr. Cruz do have the qualifications to be President.  At least help the rest of us understand how these determinations are made so we can follow along.
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mikec - This thread was started to imply Democrats must go to great efforts to find significant justification for voting for Hillary.  Yeah right, like many on my side are any different than many on your side.  Like you clearly explained in your post, many of us will simply look for the "D" by the name just as many of you will look for an "R" by the name, and vote accordingly.  This was never intended to be an investigative thread but, more likely, intended for some good target practice on Ms. Clinton.  You didn't see anyone offering up the qualifications for potential Republican candidates, did you? 
 
Maybe you noticed me being baited to explain why I would vote for Hillary as our Democrat nominee only to allow the one asking another opportunity to call out a Democrat as being a Socialist.  Like I said, target practice.  I agree with you, I'm going to vote "D", you're going to vote "R", and, this thread aside, neither of us are going to beat our heads into the wall in order to make our decision.
 


soft5 - You should probably take the time to do more research in these threads before you come up with your mistaken conclusions.  Far be it from me to determine who is unqualified to run for President.  I agree I'm in no position to determine who fails to be qualified enough to be President of the USA and you're not going to hear me say any such thing.  It is the Conservatives who have the ability to determine who lacks the qualifications to be President.  I just thought if they have this ability, it's only right to tell us why Mr. Paul and Mr. Cruz do have the qualifications to be President.  At least help the rest of us understand how these determinations are made so we can follow along.




You admit you will blindly vote D without vetting candidates, but then ask others to justify the qualifications of opposition R candidates.

Why should anyone bother to explain qualifications to someone like you, who admittedly doesn't care about qualifications?

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You admit you will blindly vote D without vetting candidates, but then ask others to justify the qualifications of opposition R candidates.


FIB - No.  I ask those who claim certain Democrats are not qualified to be President to explain why certain Republican candidates are qualified to be President so I may decipher if they have any idea what they are talking about.  Secondly, I admitted I was every bit like some other posters inside here when I said it's imperative to get behind the Democrat candidate for President, regardless.  Does that make me any more blind than mikec or pabar?
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The thread was started for a couple of reasons, mikec you were on target.  dewey continuously says that a Republican candidate cannot win in this country.  He calls out names of potential candidates and wants us to justify their positions and how on earth they can possibly win a presidential election. He has done this all over the forum, he'll probably do it again before the week is out.  He can start his own thread and ask his own questions.  This is a hillary thread.

To be fair to the 50,000 readers who may not vote a straight ticket as dewey does. I thought someone who supported hillary, there is no other candidate, would be able to persuade an independent or undecided of why they should give hillary their vote in the next election.  It's ok if there is no justification for voting for her other than the (D) beside her name.  That was my premise and you proved it for me.  I don't want the NBC mini-series or Chris Matthews to give you ideas on why she should be president, I wanted to know why in the world anyone would vote for the hag.  She is blameless in the deaths of 4 dead Americans, she is blameless in the death of Vince Foster, she did NOTHING in her stint as SOS, she did nothing in her stint as NY Senator. She is another obama, shrug shoulders and deny involvement.

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Look at the state of current affairs around the world.  There are too many fires for John Kerry to put out on his watch.  She left the State Department in a mess, no leadership, no guidance.  Can she finish anything that she starts?
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Now back to the target practice.
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I think Hilary was instrumental in providing aid to a government (in Africa maybe?) that helped protect butterflies, or birds, or maybe elephants. So there's that.

She was also instrumental, with Obama, of providing aid to Myanmar, an authoritarian state that has been executing a genocide against its minority Muslim population throughout her reign at State. No one seems to care about this genocide, apparently because doing so would paint Hilary in a negative light. Or because some just don't care about the genocide of Muslims. But either way, more blood on Hilary's already stained pantsuit.

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She's an easy target.  She has a history.


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Dewey - what are Hillary's qualifications to be a good president?
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she is a terrific actress at making people beleive in her.
that is why she will become our next president.
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KIR - you started this thread on 8/1 with a simple request for someone to explain the qualifications that Hillary has to make her qualified to be President.  To date, not one answer has gotten even close to making the attempt.  Pretty much says it all right there.
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Her primary qualification is that the media loves her. And then of course he is a woman, and expect the "women's" issues to gain traction, seeded by social engineering teams at the beck of her campaign. If the media and women overlook her lack if real qualifications, and her failures as a public servant (at times catastrophic, "but what difference does it make?") then she is the likely Dem nominee. Whatever.

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pabar - As I said earlier, providing a list of accomplishments to those who oppose Hillary Clinton, (I stole most the list below from an online blog), is a total waste of time.  Most won't accept one.  For this reason I challenged you to name anything that makes Sen. Paul or Sen. Cruz more or equally qualified and I got nothing but a "lol" from another member.  Now that you have a list, maybe you can give one or two qualifications your two favorite candidates bring to the table.  Thanks in advance.


1. Her first cause was children, fighting abuse, and chairing the Children's Defense Fund.
2. She began her career as a lawyer after graduating from Yale Law School in 1973.
3. following her career as a Congressional legal counsel; she was named the first female partner at Rose Law Firm in 1979 and was listed as one of the one hundred most influential lawyers in America in 1988 and 1991.
4. During 1974 she was a member of the Nixon impeachment inquiry staff in Washington D.C., advising the House Committee on the Judiciary during the Watergate scandal. She helped research procedures of impeachment and the historical grounds and standards for impeachment.
5. Hillary co-founded the Arkansas Advocates for Children and Families, a state-level alliance with the Children's Defense Fund, in 1977.
6. In late 1977, President Jimmy Carter appointed her to the board of directors of the Legal Services Corporation.7. She was the First Lady of Arkansas from 1979 to 1981 and 1983 to 1992, and was active in a number of organizations concerned with the welfare of children, and was on the board of Wal-Mart and several other corporate boards.
8. Bill Clinton appointed her chair of the Rural Health Advisory Committee where she successfully obtained federal funds to expand medical facilities in Arkansas' poorest areas without affecting doctors' fees.
9. One of the most important initiatives of the entire Clinton governorship, she fought a prolonged but ultimately successful battle against the Arkansas Education Association to put mandatory teacher testing as well as state standards for curriculum and classroom size in place.
10. She introduced Arkansas' Home Instruction Program for Preschool Youth in 1985, a program that helps parents work with their children in preschool preparedness and literacy.
11. As First Lady of the United States she took a very prominent role in public policy.
12. She was the initial first lady to hold a post-graduate degree and to have her own professional career up to the time of entering the White House. She was also the initial first lady to take up an office in the West Wing of the White House.
13. She fought hard for Universal Health Care as First Lady, although it wasn't successful, it's something she learned from.

14. She visited over 80 countries as First Lady giving important speeches, about such controversial topics as human rights/women's rights in China.

15. Her major initiative, the Clinton Health Care Plan, failed to gain approval by the Congress in 1994, but in 1997 she helped establish the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) and the Adoption and Safe Families Act.
16. As a Senator and after the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Hillary worked with her colleagues to secure the funds New York needed to recover and rebuild.
17. She fought to provide compensation to the families of the victims, grants for hard-hit small businesses, and health care for front line workers at Ground Zero.
18. She is the first New Yorker ever to serve on the Senate Armed Services Committee.
19. She has visited troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in countless other locations, truly understanding the challenges facing our troops.
20. Hillary passed legislation to track the health status of our troops so that conditions like Gulf War Syndrome would no longer be misdiagnosed.
21. She is an original sponsor of legislation that expanded health benefits to members of the National Guard and Reserves and has been a strong critic of the Administration's handling of Iraq.
22. She has introduced legislation to tie Congressional salary increases to an increase in the minimum wage.
23. She has supported a variety of middle-class tax cuts, including marriage penalty relief, property tax relief, and reduction in the Alternative Minimum Tax, and supports fiscally responsible pay-as-you-go budget rules.
24. She helped pass legislation that encouraged investment to create jobs in struggling communities through the Renewal Communities program.
25. She authored legislation that has been enacted to improve quality and lower the cost of prescription drugs and to protect our food supply from bioterrorism.
26. She sponsored legislation to increase America's commitment to fighting the global HIV/AIDS crisis.
27. She has lead the fight for the expanded use of information technology in the health care system to decrease administrative costs, lower premiums, and reduce medical errors.
28. Clinton has successfully worked to ensure the safety of prescription drugs for children, with legislation now included in the Best Pharmaceuticals for Children Act.

29. She has also proposed expanding access to child care.

30. She has passed legislation that will bring more qualified teachers into classrooms and more outstanding principals to lead our schools.
31. Hillary is one of the original cosponsors of the Prevention First Act to increase access to family planning.
32. She fought with the Bush Administration and ensured that Plan B, an emergency contraceptive, will be available to millions of American women and will reduce the need for abortions.
33. She introduced the Count Every Vote Act of 2005 to ensure better protection of votes and to ensure that every vote is counted.
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As lists of achievements go, this one is noteworthy for the dearth of anything that really jumps off the page.

Remember that she was considered the huge favorite back in 2008 too, before the junior senator from Illinois came along and smoked her.

Surprised they would list Sec State, considering the abysmal state of US Foreign Policy during her tenure.

Also surprised by #4, considering she was fired from her position on the Nixon impeachment committee for Unethical behavior in conspiring to violate the US Constitution, a result of actually stealing files in her effort to deny Nixon the right to legal counsel.

And here's a funny quote, from when she was asked why she had concocted a story about landing in Bosnia under heavy sniper fire, a story the video evidence soon showed to be an outright lie. At the time she was trying to build up her foreign policy credentials, from her travels as Bill's wife. Her response:

“‘No, I went to 80 countries, you know. I gave contemporaneous accounts, I wrote about a lot of this in my book. you know, I think that, a minor blip, you know, if I said something that, you know, I say a lot of things — millions of words a day — so if I misspoke, that was just a misstatement.’

IOW, if I lied about dodging sniper fire in Bosnia, that was just a misstatement. or rather, I say millions words every day, do you really expect them all to be true? Bwahahaha!

Oh, Hilary, Training for Benghazi there, we're you? Lol

Obama showed that qualifications aren't required to be elected in America, so the Dems must figure "why not double down?" But if she wasn't good enough in 2008 to even get nominated, it's hard to believe she's good enough in 2016.


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the only way she can get beat is if a black woman runs for office.
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Dewey - if you want to discuss the accomplishments of Rand Paul or Ted Cruz, start a different thread.  I'm sure I'll be able to copy and paste a list from somewhere just as you did.  I agree with FIB as the list shows a lot of things she's worked on but there is absolutely no pattern of originality or true leadership.
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Hammer - sadly, I tend to agree with you.  Having said that, I would definitely vote for Mia Love, Doneen Borelli, Condi Rice, Star Parker, or any number of other black Conservative women.  Based on policy alone, they are far more preferable than Hillary.
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/M/ML_EGYPT?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-08-14-11-55-48

One of Hillary's legacies.
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Now back to the target practice.
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Hammer - sadly, I tend to agree with you.  Having said that, I would definitely vote for Mia Love, Doneen Borelli, Condi Rice, Star Parker, or any number of other black Conservative women.  Based on policy alone, they are far more preferable than Hillary.


I had typed something very similar before my boss interrupted me. hehe 

anyway, dewey made a statement before that a black democrat woman could win the white house.  I had challenged him to name three that could even run from that restrictive list .  Condoleeza alone wins hands down vs. the hag on policy AND experience.  Still waiting for any black democrat woman that you could throw up and people wouldn't laugh their collective asses at.  Deneen Borelli hands down wins on intelligence alone vs. the hag.

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the only way she can get beat is if a black woman runs for office.

Someone else mentioned that a black woman could be elected president. When challenged for three names of black democrat women that could run, we heard crickets. No, if the left is adamant about a woman candidate, that would be hillary with her below par resume. If you name democrat black women candidates it will only garner guffaws. Maybe sheila jackson lee, frederica wilson, maxine waters?

Now on the republican side, Condoleeza Rice is 10 times the qualified candidate that hllary is. Much more professional, much more qualified, much more dignified, much more presidential. If hillary wins it will only be because too many low information voters want goodies from their government, not because she is deserving.
Edit: this is the post that got interrupted LOL

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Now back to the target practice.


Yup, like shooting ducks in a barrel with your eyes closed. Lmao.

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Same demonizing - change of target.  Hillary must be viable to deserve this much attention.
I will vote for Christie - what do you folks think of him?  I like that he is like Harry Truman and that he isn't a Party pawn as much as most, at least not yet. I hope that he doesn't change but the election and Washington jungles can do that to a person.  Ever read about Dr. Faustus?   Frank

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The only thing good about Christie is that he's not Hillary or Obama.
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pabar - Is there anything, even in the slightest way, positive that you have to say about a potential candidate for POTUS in 2016, and can that person win an election?   Frank
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JG - honestly, very little.  I'm disgusted with the vast majority of Republicans who have abandoned the Constitution.  I don't trust any of the Democrats who openly flaunt the Constitution.  The only three people that I believe come close to living up to their oath of office to protect and defend the Constitution are Mike Lee, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz.

What I tire of is the obsession of whether or not someone can win.  I don't dismiss its current importance but I resent its importance.  Politics has been too much about winning and not nearly enough about protecting and preserving the fundamental thesis upon which the greatest country in history was formed.

I resent the creation of Social Security which is nothing more than a Ponzi scheme.
I resent the creation of Medicare which is bankrupting this country.
I resent the creation of the Department of Education and many other departments who were supposed to make things better but have actually made things worse.
I resent Roe v. Wade which improperly conferred upon the federal government legislation that rightfully belonged to the states.
I resent George Bush and Republicans in Congress for allowing our federal debt to grow.
I resent Barack Obama for flipping the bird at the separation of powers function of the government and unilaterally deciding when and if to enact laws, defend laws or implement laws.
I resent the media for flagrantly abandoning their jobs in favor of openly supporting the entire Democratic platform and making politics a game.
I resent the majority of higher education professors who feel they have unlimited license to spew their anti-conservative venom and openly try to indoctrinate our youth into one way of thinking.
I resent union leadership which has bastardized a noble concept for their own greed.
I resent Congress for thinking it's its job to react to every tragedy with some new law that is, at best, ineffective, and, at worst, primarily causal to further malady.
I resent the vast majority of our citizens who take no interest in understanding the issues and are easily swayed by soundbites and a subversive media.
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I resent the creation of Social Security which is nothing more than a Ponzi scheme.
I resent the creation of Medicare which is bankrupting this country.
I resent the creation of the Department of Education and many other departments who were supposed to make things better but have actually made things worse.
I resent Roe v. Wade which improperly conferred upon the federal government legislation that rightfully belonged to the states.
I resent George Bush and Republicans in Congress for allowing our federal debt to grow.
I resent Barack Obama for flipping the bird at the separation of powers function of the government and unilaterally deciding when and if to enact laws, defend laws or implement laws.
I resent the media for flagrantly abandoning their jobs in favor of openly supporting the entire Democratic platform and making politics a game.
I resent the majority of higher education professors who feel they have unlimited license to spew their anti-conservative venom and openly try to indoctrinate our youth into one way of thinking.
I resent union leadership which has bastardized a noble concept for their own greed.
I resent Congress for thinking it's its job to react to every tragedy with some new law that is, at best, ineffective, and, at worst, primarily causal to further malady.
I resent the vast majority of our citizens who take no interest in understanding the issues and are easily swayed by soundbites and a subversive media.


Good gawd that is awesome.  Sounds like all of joisey's tireless drum beating, the washington way on one post.  All legislation is not good legislation for sure. 

The kicker, as stated above, too many low information voters involved in the process.

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Condoleeza Rice was mentioned as a running mate for Romney. He was advised not to choose her since she is pro-choice, and pro gay marriage and same sex unions. She was not asked. Didn't matter since her public thoughts on running for VP or president is "I don't have the DNA to run for office," she said. "I love policy. I don't really like politics. When you have had a chance to be the nation's chief diplomat, that's enough. I'm happy as a professor at Stanford." "I know my strengths, and Governor Romney needs to find someone who wants to run with him.”

Condoleeza was great at what she did and is great as a professor. Running for president or vp is a different beast and your entire past and current life will be dissected and under a microscope. Condoleeza is private and quiet. She is all business. She grew up in segregated Birmingham Alabama. Both parents were college professors. She got into college at age 15. She is 58, never married, no kids, and bought a home and shared a line of credit with another woman. She doesn't answer question on her sexuality. She doesn't want her private life to be public. Her dad was also a minister and shielded her from the racial hate of the time. She was told to use facilities at home so not to be degraded by using colored-only facilities in public. Her dad said he shielded her during violent times of civil rights movement and even tho he agreed with it he would not let her get involved because she would get hurt. She said (I can't remember when)  that her dad told her and his students that being black they would simply have to be "twice as good" to overcome injustices built into the system.  She was told to do all of the things that were revered in white society so well, that she would be armored somehow from racism. She would be able to confront white society on its own terms. She lost childhood friends to racial violence and experienced discrimination she said--denied hotel room, changing room in storage room of clothing stores, bad food when out to eat and seated away from the whites, coulkdn't get in to circus or shows, bomb threats at her school, and living life as a black woman during jim crow laws in Alabama. her family dealt with KKK and white supremist attacks and visits. She has said those images are still burned into her mind. DUring the gun control whining Rice said  that if gun registration had been mandatory, her father's weapons would have been confiscated, leaving them defenseless against Ku Klux Klan nightriders.

She is a moderate republican like myself. I think now she identifies as libertarian..not sure since she went back and forth. Like me we both have been called n-word by whites nomatter how articulate and successful we were and called oreo and house negro by blacks. Not black enough for blacks...but still black enough to still experience racism. She did not partake of civil rights movement and never spoke out on black issues so she is invisible in black community. Black in skin color only with no influence whatsoever on blacks. Which is what her dad wanted her to achieve. Not judged by her skin color but her deeds. I do not see her as a black American...I see her as a great American. Not someone for blacks to look up to but someone for all americans to look up to. She would be a better choice than anyone being considered right now for either party.......except......party politics is not her thing and won't be.

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"party politics is not her thing and won't be."

Which is one of the things I love about Condi.  She is true to herself and would, if she were President, be true to the country.  In my opinion, it's her intelligence that sets her apart from the rest of the public figures we've seen over the past 20-30 years.
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