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woody

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No, they are defiling a religion.
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Dewey, I know you are speaking to JG, but I fell to the far right of Attila on this one.  Further, water boarding would be a mild thing compared to what I would consider doing when terrorist were threatening my family , town or country and I needed info. 


woody - Now there's a debate with no end.  How about we just let our stated positions stand on there own and leave it at that?
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Anyone ever notice that when Joisey doesn't have the ability to counter a point which discredits his liberal spin, he attacks the manner in which the point is made

JG always makes his point without turning it into a personal (name calling) attack. You never do that! You live for the personal attacks...you are probably salivating as you write your attack at this comment.
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Anyone ever notice that when Joisey doesn't have the ability to counter a point which discredits his liberal spin, he attacks the manner in which the point is made

JG always makes his point without turning it into a personal (name calling) attack. You never do that! You live for the personal attacks...you are probably salivating as you write your attack at this comment.

Masare, you are right, saying someone is childish, vitriolic, full of hatred, unforgivable, etc... those are terms of endearment. Nice try. 

By the way Masare, I understand that you are a school teacher, God help those poor kids, but rather than throw a stink bomb and run away, why not join the debate. Here is a good start for your home work. My original post is this:
Joisey said: Aside from paying off the debt from the Bush Jr. credit card and war economy and the addition of the Obama administration's attempts to correct a diving micro economy,
Joisey, Obama never attempted to correct the diving economy, but rather attempted (and succeeded) to take advantage of the crisis as an opportunity to implement laws that would never pass under normal circumstances. In addition he saw an opportunity to con the public into funding all of his union friends through a bogus "stimulus" bill.
Follow the money and see how many of the green jobs companies who received hundreds of millions of our tax dollars turned around and donated huge amounts back to Obama. Same thing for the unions. He gives them billions of our tax dollars to fund their pensions and excessive wages and they turn around and give it back to him in campaign donations.
We have been scammed by Obama and you are still taking your jabs at Bush for the economy.
Just once I would like to hear you admit that this economy crashed because of the Community Reinvestment Act which killed the banking and housing market. Just once admit that Barney Frank, who's gay lover was working for Fannie (no pun intended), and the rest of the democrats refused to let Fannie and Freddie be investigated because it was their cash cow.
Of course admitting the truth and discrediting your own political spin on things is probably asking way too much.

  
Now Masare, please take my points and disprove them if you have the ability to do so. If not, then continue to hide behind your heros (Dewdy and JG) and throw in your occasional "Yea take that!!" or "Nah na na na na!!" like you are so good at. 



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No, they are defiling a religion. 


Does your religion teach the hate you seem to have in your heart for them?...I am curious as to your silence, er, answer!
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If I turn the other cheek, and they behead my loved ones, would you suggest I send them a candy gram, or a maverick missile in response? God frowns upon the slaying of the innocent, why should we as a country show ANY restraint in the wholesale slaughter of those who intentionally slay the innocents? Let God sort out the burnt corpses of evil doers. You need to read a little deeper into the Old Testament. Sometimes there is a time for annihilation of your enemy. 
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Not sure anyone is innocent....Some Old Testament laws allowed for stoning....And, certainly, people were stoned to death.....The Bible does tell us to love our enemies....And, when the disciples and prophets were jailed, they sometimes led their jailers to the path of salvation....The reason this could happen is because there was no hate in their heart and the jailers could easily note that...The jailers were eager to find out where this love for them came from....

I think it is important for all to know, as the Bible tells us, Jesus will prevail over evil in this world....Spreading that message is what counts, not thinking we can do it....
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Yeah, just ask John the Baptist. Compassion and mercy shown by his captors.
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Jesus' people are different than the rest of the world...

John the Baptist was a strong, vibrant follower...Yet, he, also, was meek in the face of adversity...
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Joisey said: Aside from paying off the debt from the Bush Jr. credit card and war economy and the addition of the Obama administration's attempts to correct a diving micro economy,
Masare:Agree


Joisey, Obama never attempted to correct the diving economy, but rather attempted (and succeeded) to take advantage of the crisis as an opportunity to implement laws that would never pass under normal circumstances. In addition he saw an opportunity to con the public into funding all of his union friends through a bogus "stimulus" bill.
Masare:Strongly disagree!

JD, I feel sorry for you that you continually need to attack me as a teacher! However, from reading some of your posts it is not a surprise..have a good day..game day ..go Penn state!

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masare - Consider the source and be comforted.  A teacher's influence reaches eternity, and though I've never been in your classroom, I would hazard a guess that your caring nature influences your students in positive ways.  One of my favorite photos that I keep framed on my desk is from a former student who is a college instructor.  She took a picture of a pond in a nearby woods into which she had thrown a pebble, and ripples were reaching for the shore (and beyond?).  She didn't need to explain the photo.  The greatest gift to a dedicated teacher is a fine student.                                                                             

Your rewards are many if you allow them to be.  Some people simply could never understand.  Forgive them.  They are ignorant of what you really do, and some think they do simply because they went to school.  They might even be the  parents of the children who are discipline problems who interrupt the education of the other children because their parents haven't taught them a semblance of good manners.   Know that those who know applaud what you do, and acknowledge that all teachers are not good ones, just as all engineers or accountants are not good ones. Some who look for negatives  will emphasize the negatives and generalize from them, but will not applaud the role of those good teachers who create nobility in their students.  That applause must come from within.                   

Smile,  you are doing a good for mankind in a very noble profession and not many on our planet can say that.  My son in law says that the secret of a life well lived is to find something you'd do for nothing and get paid rather well for it.  I feel that way about teaching, and I'm sure that you do too.      Frank

PS - When I was a young football coach, I had the pleasure of meeting and talking with Joe Pa who was then an assistant to Rip Engle at Penn State.  He is an unusually good man who has influenced countless young men in a positive way.  Talking about a life well lived !!!!!  To you, Masare, live on and continue to contribute positively  to the human condition.  To Jack Dandy (I apologize Susan for breaking my pledge here) you are a real ass for addressing this teacher as you do, but that's no surprise to me.  

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masare

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JG, I met JoePa once too...he really is what he appears to be ...the real deal!
Our guys are not doing very well right now ...Indiana is giving them all they can handle! Go Penn state!!
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Joisey, you would be able to recognize one since your head is always up yours. 
As for Masare, I have nothing against teachers, other than they are over paid and under worked for the most part. My problem is with teachers that spew liberal / socialist crap to their students, I do pity those kids and pity our country as well knowing that there are a lot of teachers indoctrinating kids with that crap.
As for you, Joisey, I have never heard so many big words say absolutely nothing. I also find it rather amusing to be condescended to from a straw man. It is entertaining and at the same time pathetic when someone thinks they are the smartest person in the room, when in fact they lack even the slightest fiber of substance enough to form an original thought and lack the ability to defend any opinion that they post without crying foul.
Your arrogant condescending superiority complex is becoming quite annoying to those of us who can actually give an opinion about something and then defend that opinion without running to the nearest online library looking for a quote to copy and paste from a 500AD philosopher who was trying to make sense of where the sun kept disappearing to every evening.
Joisey, don't take yourself so serious because trust me, nobody else here does. 
Now you relax and go take in a ballgame. 

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Penn state won but not by much and now the real tough part of the season..it's going to be long one for Penn state fans! JoePa coached his 700th game. Now that is a man comfortable in his own skin...kind of like JG
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Jack, I gotta admit, you can be crude, but, there are times when you do make good sense! 

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Go phillies!
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Jack Dandy - I see that you still , in your unbelievable arrogance, think that you speak for so many.  You look into a mirror, be objective, and see what you see, and more important why.  Your nature given gifts are remarkably misused in a very negative way in your cowardly anonymous attacks on this thread.  You are the very antithesis of a good person on this thread.  

Your vulgarity and extreme thinking as well as your sarcasm and personal attacks  put you into exactly the frame of society that is bordering on psychotic and destructive.  You should be ashamed of yourself but I don't think you are capable of that.  Your anonymous persona in this thread is a worthless piece of human garbage (I don't know what or who you really are, but I hope that your reality is much better than your anonymous persona or personas here) and it is from that perspective that I take anything you say about me. As for teachers, how would you know anything about the profession?   Now, you go watch a ballgame and enjoy yourself, and do the human race a favor and quit posting here as you present yourself. 

I am not terribly proud of what I just wrote in this post because I am responding in kind to you, but I am just completely fed up with what and who you are as you  present yourself on this thread.  This will be my last post addressing you or any of your ideas or attitudes.  You are the one and only person in all my many years of being on UCS that I have felt this way about.  Goodbye, and please stay out of my life.  I absolutely promise to stay out of yours. 

To those posters who have heard me post about the need for civility, I apologize for this rant.  I realize how hypocritical it is.   Frank

PS - Dewey, I don't agree 100% with your political views, just many of them, but you are a saint.  Old Scout writes  often, and he is smarter and much happier by leaving this thread,  much happier than I am by staying on this thread.  Again, I am giving leaving this thread lots and lots of thought.  If I do, so long to the many good folks on here.  How can I be so stupid as to keep making myself angry and unhappy by staying here?????     


JG

And now you know exactly how we feel about you. Adios!
Dewey

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I've had the good fortune to meet dozens or more of our fellow UCS members face to face during the nearly ten years I've been part of this forum, not to mention so many more I've connected with via emails and PM's.  For the most part, it's been a complete joy and a lot of laughs.  People around here enjoy their college softball experiences, the information they gain from others, and the laughs we share along the way.  As probably the first member to join Robocoach on his website, I can tell you Frank Bolton is easily the nicest and most respected individual we have as a member and I need not qualify it by saying many agree with me.  If you've been here for any length of time, you've learned it from his many posts as well as those of his many UCS friends.   I certainly look forward to the day he joins my list of face to face UCS friends.
 
Oh so many of those we've bantered with through the years have moved on, hopefully due to the fact their daughters careers came to an end.  I miss all of them and I'll dearly miss Frank if he chooses to do the same.  I'll do my best to convince Frank to focus on the new arriving softball oriented members we have and beg him to continue sharing both his vast knowledge of the game, as well as his many life experiences, with all of them.  
 
I'll never truly understand why the introduction of political discussion/debate had to become so controversial and confrontational, or why it brought out so many anonymous individuals that appear totally unconnected to the game that brought about this website.  It's not as if we in the misc forum have the clout to change the political landscape in this Country.  Prior to the election of Obama, which resulted in my defense of him outing my left leaning thinking, I never took a heated comment here from another member.  I doubt Frank did either prior to chiming in on some misc posts.  But it is what it is.  There is little we can do to change what goes on in the political portion of the misc forum but, that said, it should never inhibit what we can all offer on the softball side.  I'm not leaving this sport anytime soon and I think the same can be said for Frank.  I can only hope he sees it the same way and will continue his important participation here at UCS and share with our new arrivals all he's given us.  I say the same to Lostman, Bill Smith, Proud Dad, vol52, Caz, Chapple, Floyd, jayrot, tenfour, Gonein, WDIK, and others too numerous to mention who offer up similar important softball information that can both benefit and entertain so many.  Without the experienced and knowledgeable veterans, this site is of little value. 
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Once again, I think we're dealing mostly with the contributions from one pathetic individual who craves attention.  When ignored, she baits the hook with bigger and bigger worms.  Just don't bite.......it's that easy.

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Pathetic? No.
Right? yes
I know when I bring up things like Barney Franks gay lover working for Fannie Mae, you know the same guy who was running gay prostitution from Barney's house, and the fact that Barney and Chris Dodd were standing in the way of the republicans investigating Fannie and Freddie. And the fact that Barney, Dodd, and Obama were some of the biggest recipients of money donated from Fannie and Freddie. And the fact that the current recession that we are now in, started in the housing and banking market thanks to Fannie and Freddie and the bogus loans made to unqualified buyers at the demands of democrats. I know when I bring these things up, that I am probing your liberal sacred cow. But I don't think that makes me pathetic, childish, arrogant, full of hate, vitriolic, vulgar, or any of the other things that I have been called by the liberals on this forum.
The irony here is that the mention of these things seems to be more offensive than the reality of these things.

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POV - I do apologize for "biting", and I've deleted my unfortunate post.  Mama said, "If you go down to their garbage level, you become one of them and stink just as bad".  So true.  I lost it for a spell out of anger for one poster.  Though warranted, it is an immature response and unworthy of what I aspire to be.  Since I grew up in what has been described in literature as a "two fisted physical town", I sometimes resort to the immature "take em behind the woodshed" mentality and have to fight myself so that I don't do that even when I want to. Thanks for reminding me about who Swifty's "we" is, but moreso what I should be.     Frank

PS - Thanks, Dewey, for reminding me of what I should be, and what I usually am as you know.  I truly appreciate that.  Sometimes it's difficult to be an adult.  I admire your consistent ability to maintain adulthood in situations with some who do not do the same.  You're a good man.  

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Where's Oprah when ya need her?

LMSS should show up for support, soon!!! 

And, it is true, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are very sick inviduals!!!

   

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bluedog - Sometimes it is difficult to be a christian whether you spell it with a capital or small letter, as long as you espouse those values.  I'm sure that you know that.     
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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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The irony here is that the mention of these things seems to be more offensive than the reality of these things.
 


Now, this should make us think....It is true!!!
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Joisey, as you well know,  I don't claim membership in the christian community....But, please explain your comments so I may elaborate....Could you zero in on your meaning, please?

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And, it is true, Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are very sick inviduals!!!

   


How do you have a dialogue with this?  Reminds me of last Saturday's SNL skit.
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I guess the same way you have a dialogue with this...I can't remember you ever denouncing anything about the democratic party's platform....

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I know there are many like you but I still can't understand how you all manage to remain independent.  Once I settled on issues in my life that meant the most to me, the decision of Left or Right was pretty much made for me.
  

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bluedog - I am completely aware that Jesus Christ had his day in the temple with the money lenders, but in general his values considered a love for all of mankind.
What I am suggesting is that those who claim to live by the values taught by Jesus Christ (and many other wise philosophers) should live by those values, even when it is difficult.  Even when they oppose some capitalistic ventures and embrace some socialistic ventures.                                                                                                  
That is why I chastised myself for weakening to the taunts of a few childish and ignoble posters. If you consider yourself a trumpet of the general good via your bible study, you too will take your bible teachings and apply them to all of mankind.  In my eyes, to do less is a weakness of your (and my) humanity.  It amazes me that you can claim to be a bible loving christian and still align yourself so absolutely against the Democratic Party and moreover with the Republican Party unless it is over a single issue.   Frank 

PS - "Imagine"

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"Do not try to teach pigs to sing. It will frustrate you and infuriate the pigs who will unite in anger against you, and you will never achieve singing your song". Dr. Petersen
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It is unfortunate that this web site is just as divided as the rest of the country. This Admin and the liberal congress have given us more divisiveness in this country than we have had since the Civil War.  They have not had a budget since the his first year in office and played politics with the repubs trying to make it look like its their fault when the congress was in total power by the dems didnt even pass his budget because it was so extreme and they didnt want it with a nice convenient record.  They have slammed legislation through that is thousands of pages long trying to make our country something that we got away from in Europe only to empower themselves but look like they are out for someone else.  They are giving states rewards for enrolling more people on food stamps than ever before.  And because they have spent like drunken soldiers, gone against the will of the majority of Americans, have the DOJ suing states, private businesses that create jobs, gutting our defense money wise, but Obama lies and acts like he is out for gays in the military, he may let you in but once you get in God help him as he will play politics with you when your on the battlefield.  He has nothing to run on so he and the liberals in Congress and the media have a definite divide and conquer scheme.  I have never in my lifetime seen such hate the wealth and minority rhetoric.  The Blacks should be pissed off at Obama.  50% of their youth can not get work thanks to what his admin and the liberals have done, but yeah they are out for ya.  Many Black mothers in different states are now being prosecuted for taking their kids to schools in different neighborhoods.  I thought our schools were Free Public Education!!!!!  Unfortunately, I only think things will get worse.  When you have people that think they know better and call people out just as much but use different language it is sad.  We all are human we all have our short comings but lately not too many people on either side, especially the liberal is willing to admit that they dont know it all and they have just as many shortcomings as the rest of us do. 

 

Jack Dandy your posts are very much on point.  That is why Dewey likes to pull out sections that he knows there is not reply to it.  The majority of Americans have previously just tried to live a good life and not get political, but this President, his admin, and the liberal congress and media are trying to take us over the edge of what America is supposed to be all about.  Good decent people are standing up and becoming more politically active and are being called anything and everything because the other side does not like it.  Tea Party is a perfect example of that.  Unfortunately, the divisiveness is only going to get worse because they dont have anything to run on and they do not want to lose political power.  I feel some of the people on this forum are used to very much getting their way and now they are not and are not so happy about it.


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If you consider yourself a trumpet of the general good via your bible study,......


Ok, I understand your post, now....And, I must commend you as you do parrot the message of the christian community very well....Not so much the message of the Bible, though....As I've told you more than once, oftentimes, these two messages conflict...... 

Joisey, I take an onslaught of attacks quite often when I post....And, I really don't mind....I do know I have no good in me....I do know that I will sin....I gave up any humanity I once had....I am weak in the flesh....I don't believe one can have a greater love for mankind than to attempt to get his brothers and sisters to open the Bible and read....And study!
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